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I’ve heard of long walks for a joke but I hope you packed a lunch for that.
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Antivehicular posted:I also noticed that phrase being used, and while I don't think it's probe-worthy in the context of otherwise good-faith discussion, I also dislike it! I think it's tasteless, and it's also evoking a certain kind of "people who like games I don't are lesser people"/badwrongfun argument I don't want to see in the forums. Maybe y’all could just stop being overly sensitive
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Apr 12, 2023 18:24
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Crackbone posted:Maybe y’all could just stop being overly sensitive Are you saying that in a passive aggressive way because you feel like some board game thread posters' concerns were being brushed off for being "overly sensitive" or do you sincerely feel that what she expressed is being "overly sensitive"?
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Apr 12, 2023 19:21
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That comment wasn't related to board games though, was it? I thought it was d and d, ttrpgs
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Apr 12, 2023 19:49
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Yeah it’s a lovely way to cast someone disagreeing with you or having a different mentality about how they approach a ttrpg.
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Apr 12, 2023 19:58
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I don't think it should be probable or something, but as someone who legit has brain damage after a recent health thing, it's a lovely way to phrase it. I'm very lucky that I only lost a week and a half of memories, some of the other people on the ward with me lost their ability to read. Comparing lovely elfgames to that is just tasteless.
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Apr 12, 2023 22:07
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Crackbone posted:Maybe y’all could just stop being overly sensitive Maybe you could shut the gently caress up.
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Apr 13, 2023 01:07
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silvergoose posted:That comment wasn't related to board games though, was it? I thought it was d and d, ttrpgs The discussion in the past week was about ttrpgs, yes. Crackbone's post reads like they think the prior discussion about the board game thread moderation were written off as people being "oversensitive" and apparently they've been cooking that sick comeback for a week to throw it back in Antivehicular's face at an optimal time. Or maybe they do think people are oversensitive for having issue with calling D&D players brain damaged. I guess that's possible, too. This whole thing did remind me that I need to put my money where my mouth is though, so I went ahead and made a new thread: Thinking About How We Learn to Play and GM TTRPGs. I look forward to a lot of heady debates with all the greatest goon illuminati (goonluminati) about nerd hobbies.
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Nuns with Guns posted:This whole thing did remind me that I need to put my money where my mouth is though, so I went ahead and made a new thread: Thinking About How We Learn to Play and GM TTRPGs. I look forward to a lot of heady debates with all the greatest goon illuminati (goonluminati) about nerd hobbies. Bookmarked! This is a good thread idea and I hope it spawns some good discussion.
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Apr 13, 2023 02:46
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Crackbone posted:Maybe y’all could just stop being overly sensitive I’m gonna add to this response to this because I feel like it was limited and folks on here are too nice compared to how they feel. Shut the gently caress up. No one on this forum wants this kind of poster. No one. gently caress off.
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fr0id posted:I’m gonna add to this response to this because I feel like it was limited and folks on here are too nice compared to how they feel. Lol The mods do. just want to make a side note that just because i post something that i know will upset someone doesn’t mean it’s bad faith or trollery. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Crackbone fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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Apr 13, 2023 03:46
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Crackbone posted:Lol I'm increasingly getting that everyone on both sides of your stupid board game thread spat actually sucks really bad and the problem wasn't just the pro-KDM contingent, which is impressive considering that "not liking the titty tentacle rape minis board game" should be a slam dunk stance.
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Apr 13, 2023 04:02
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Crackbone posted:just want to make a side note that just because i post something that i know will upset someone doesn’t mean it’s bad faith or trollery. So.... you do just think it's okay to call people brain damaged for liking D&D or some other completely mid-but-pervasive TG thing? How are you any better than jarofpiss exactly?
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"D&D causes brain damage" was a funny little truism when I first heard it. I'm now much older and am more conscious of the concept of punching down. "D&D teaches you wrong, as a joke" is as funny as I used to find the first one and doesn't victimise a vulnerable population by comparing them to D&D players come on you knew that was coming But seriously not being an rear end doesn't cost you anything and it always baffles me what people choose to dig their heels in on. Splicer fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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Apr 13, 2023 10:58
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Though I'll never get tired of seeing people throwing public tantrums over incredibly minor inconveniences while simultaneously accusing other people of being "too sensitive"
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Apr 13, 2023 10:59
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Incidentally the netrunner continuation people are redoing their cards to replace brain damage with "core damage" which is a great example of how reexamining harmful terminology can result in solutions that are even better than the original.
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Apr 13, 2023 11:04
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Kai Tave posted:I'm increasingly getting that everyone on both sides of your stupid board game thread spat actually sucks really bad and the problem wasn't just the pro-KDM contingent, which is impressive considering that "not liking the titty tentacle rape minis board game" should be a slam dunk stance. This is pretty harsh and I dislike being painted with a brush based on other people's actions. Not everyone objecting to thread derails posts like this.
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Apr 13, 2023 11:07
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I don't really believe in being lovely to people who like the wrong game, no matter how gentle the snark is when you do it. I mean, would people really respond well to me being a smug rear end in a top hat in the boardgame thread about how the baby games they like don't hold a candle to World in Flames?
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Can we please not do this particular derail again?
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Panzeh posted:I mean, would people really respond well to me being a smug rear end in a top hat in the boardgame thread about how the baby games they like don't hold a candle to World in Flames? Previous iterations of the thread occasionally went there (at least since I've been reading, about 8ish years?). It's referenced in the previous OP from late 2014. Broadly, we've been trying to tamp down that elitism and snobbery while simultaneously not discouraging the "connoisseurism" for lack of a better word? We want people to discover board gaming safely, and not have a hostile entrance the way you do in some other subforums where newbs get the cold shoulder. That poo poo happens enough in real life at gaming stores and cons. Of course, 'hardcore' gamers also want to talk about stuff. Having high standards is good, and wanting to get the best out of the hobby is worthwhile. It's okay to say, "I think Game X is actually better than Game Y because A, B and C." But it's less okay to say, "I can't believe you haven't played Game Y, that is a personal failing, how could you ever play X?" There are several reasons for this. Board games are luxury goods that can be quite expensive, so it's often less viable to play as many as you can watch TV shows or movies or books. Also, board games have a pretty clear on-ramp to get people into the hobby, and some of those "intro" games are not the things entrenched players would typically play. This is a fine line, and it's still SA so sometimes someone is just going to give you a hard time. This is not especially germane to the feedback thread, but I felt like it was worth adding that historical context to say, "Yes, that would be bad, and we've been trying to keep that in check for basically forever. Hopefully we've improved things." Beyond that, this is all completely unrelated to the potentially ableist cliche about D&D that people are trying to discourage because ableism sucks. I think if people post ableist poo poo, they should get modded or at least warned curtly and unambiguously. We don't need a discussion to decide if ableism sucks. Also: PurpleXVI posted:Can we please not do this particular derail again?
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Nothing on earth as petty as a nerd with an opinion and free time.
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silvergoose posted:This is pretty harsh and I dislike being painted with a brush based on other people's actions. Not everyone objecting to thread derails posts like this. Yeah to be fair, there were as many people who frequent the board game thread saying they didn't agree with and/or like the prior dickish comments here. Crackbone coming in a week after discussion died down to pick more fights is super dickish but it's not like that's indicative of some broader group feeling.
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 they really hate it when you do this (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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So jarofpiss is helpfully illustrating something I've noticed which isn't necessarily just a tradgames moderation thing but an SA moderation thing in general, which is that people with dozens of 6-24 hour probations tend to just accumulate more 6-24 hour probations without any actual effect occurring from it. It feels like there's a real reluctance to escalate beyond that even when someone has repeatedly demonstrated their commitment to posting like an rear end in a top hat. If the purpose of moderation is to curate a community for the better, endlessly giving persistently lovely posters light smacks on the wrist doesn't seem like a great way to do it imo.
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For better or for worse, that's my understanding of SomethingAwful moderation culture as a whole, at least since I joined. Sixers aren't really supposed to ramp or escalate - they're just quick timeouts for minor infractions, often done for comedy. They're treated as minor by everyone because on SA they're supposed to be, and aren't really intended or suited for changing behavior.
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Yeah I always kinda thought of myself as an imposter because I haven't ever earned a 6er. It seems to be kind of an expected part of the culture here or something.
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As a general SA thing: Ramping is a thing, but not every mod or admin is going to apply a given post to the area that called for ramping. So for example if someone's being ramped in a particular thread for refusing to shut up about their He-Man collection, and then they make a post in a different thread that is some casual misogyny, the latter post probably won't be treated as part of their ramp. One issue is that there's no place to record "this poster is on a ramp" other than in probation reason, and you can't expect every mod to read every probation reason a poster has, whenever they issue a sixer, and also there's no standard that says ramps should always be mentioned in probe reasons either. I think there's also a general sense among mods that a very mild infraction that would otherwise draw mayyybe a sixer or maybe nothing, shouldn't result in like a week off for someone even if they're on a ramp. All that said, I'm not issuing probes in this thread. I recused myself basically, a couple weeks ago. I don't really trust that I'd be able to be fair, when so much vitriol has been directed specifically at me, and I don't want to create an appearance or actual conflict of interest either.
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Well I'm going to suggest that if the mods want to keep people from persistently making GBS threads up threads (like jarofpiss has now been probated twice in this thread for the exact same sort of thing now, and given how they've been posting here I find it very easy believe they were making GBS threads up the boardgame thread in similar fashion) that they might want to consider ramping it up beyond that.
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i think "ramps" should be reserved for violations of the rules more severe than making jokes and light trolls
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I don't even understand what that jarofpiss post is, it's just white noise to me.
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idk why that even was given a day and personally i find posts like those far less disruptive to a thread than extremely aggressive long rear end tirades which some thread cultures encourage
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Feels Villeneuve posted:idk why that even was given a day and personally i find posts like those far less disruptive to a thread than extremely aggressive long rear end tirades which some thread cultures encourage
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Coming in with another taunt is lame, so was reviving this grudge weeks later. Nobody wins.
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I will always chuckle at a reference to Raoul’s Wild Kingdom though.
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You know how big companies don’t really sweat breaking a lot of laws because the fines are low enough so that it’s just cost of doing business?
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Thanlis posted:You know how big companies don’t really sweat breaking a lot of laws because the fines are low enough so that it’s just cost of doing business?
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Kai Tave posted:So jarofpiss is helpfully illustrating something I've noticed which isn't necessarily just a tradgames moderation thing but an SA moderation thing in general, which is that people with dozens of 6-24 hour probations tend to just accumulate more 6-24 hour probations without any actual effect occurring from it. It feels like there's a real reluctance to escalate beyond that even when someone has repeatedly demonstrated their commitment to posting like an rear end in a top hat. If the purpose of moderation is to curate a community for the better, endlessly giving persistently lovely posters light smacks on the wrist doesn't seem like a great way to do it imo. I agree with this entirely. This is the only context I think it should be allowed to complain about 6ers. For sincere posters, the punishment is taking away their ability to contribute. But for insincere posters, taking away their fun is the goal. I'm not a community manager so I am just speculating, but I imagine changing the behavior of a concerted bad actor would probably require more time off than for someone who actually likes SA, wants to contribute, etc. I'm of two minds on feedback thread probes. For one, it might be better to be looser on the rules so people can feel open to say what they want. On the other hand, it might be better to be even tighter on the rules so you don't get 50 whitenoise responses like some of the SAD threads. I guess the former is better since you can just ignore the white noise, but people might not speak up if you mod more. And I say this as someone on the record who wants more probes.
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Magnetic North posted:On the other hand, it might be better to be even tighter on the rules so you don't get 50 whitenoise responses like some of the SAD threads. White noise posters absolutely also kill genuine responses, especially since they tend to be the sort of posters who'll jump on anyone who actually tries to be sincere and helpful.
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PurpleXVI posted:White noise posters absolutely also kill genuine responses, especially since they tend to be the sort of posters who'll jump on anyone who actually tries to be sincere and helpful. This. It's a tried and true strategy.
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