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4d3d3d posted:"Humanity is poison" isn't nihilism it's worse
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Apr 13, 2023 19:51
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Apr 13, 2023 19:52
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can everyone who thinks that humanity is poison please say so? i'd like to get a head count
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Apr 13, 2023 19:52
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Cuttlefush posted:it's worse
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Apr 13, 2023 19:55
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Cuttlefush posted:can everyone who thinks that humanity is poison please say so? i'd like to get a head count me, posting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgS1Lwr8gq8
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Apr 13, 2023 19:58
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Slow News Day posted:1-in-1000 year flooding in South Florida man, ratboy knocking it out of the park again
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Apr 13, 2023 19:59
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humanity isn't the poison, doomposting about how we need to cut the population misses the gigantic oil and gas shaped elephant in the room we know the 100 companies destroying the environment. degrowth and ecosocialism doesn't mean a decrese in population or even living standards, it means cutting out fossil capitalism, it's BS jobs, it's BS bureaucracy, the poo poo that breaks after two years
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Apr 13, 2023 20:00
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4d3d3d posted:"Humanity is poison" isn't nihilism Yes let's get rid of the poison! Oh wait
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Apr 13, 2023 20:00
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white rock whoever you are arguing with has made you really upset but they dont seem to post in this thread?
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Apr 13, 2023 20:01
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Not So Fast posted:humanity isn't the poison, doomposting about how we need to cut the population misses the gigantic oil and gas shaped elephant in the room That oil is used to increase the material quality of life for people, it’s not pumped into a huge hole somewhere If you stop the fossil fuel production and consumption people are going to have less things and less freedom of mobility, there are real impacts to the production of fossil fuels beyond a company’s bottom line The idea that because ultimately you can track everything back to a hundred multinationals means you can solve it by only hurting those companies is so blisteringly empty headed that it’s propagation in the culture is almost certainly a psyop of some form
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Apr 13, 2023 20:05
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the plastic supporter has entered the chat
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Apr 13, 2023 20:06
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Not So Fast posted:humanity isn't the poison, doomposting about how we need to cut the population misses the gigantic oil and gas shaped elephant in the room yep. this was the consensus. i dont know when "overpopulation is the problem" came back here but it must go
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Apr 13, 2023 20:07
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A Bakers Cousin posted:the plastic supporter has entered the chat plastics makes it possible
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Apr 13, 2023 20:07
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celadon posted:That oil is used to increase the material quality of life for people, it’s not pumped into a huge hole somewhere overthrowing capitalism will end the need for construction/transportation/trade/products/agriculture silly doomer
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Apr 13, 2023 20:08
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Not So Fast posted:humanity isn't the poison, doomposting about how we need to cut the population misses the gigantic oil and gas shaped elephant in the room Cuttlefush posted:yep. this was the consensus. i dont know when "overpopulation is the problem" came back here but it must go lol this is twitter anarchist-tier handwaving of material reality
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Apr 13, 2023 20:10
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oh, cool. sorry for being a jerk about it.  I do kind of think humanity is poison myself but I can totally understand not thinking that. I go back and forth on it quite a bit and obviously using that to encourage or perpetuate extinction is not cool even if I feel like there’s a sort of poetic justice in there somewhere
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Apr 13, 2023 20:11
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A Bakers Cousin posted:white rock whoever you are arguing with has made you really upset but they dont seem to post in this thread?
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Apr 13, 2023 20:13
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Cuttlefush posted:i dont know when "overpopulation is the problem" came back here but it must go
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Apr 13, 2023 20:14
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Cuttlefush posted:yep. this was the consensus. i dont know when "overpopulation is the problem" came back here but it must go my dude you seem really caught up in moralizing. is humanity bad? is humanity good? it's just like.. not that big of a deal. what humanity does is end most all complex life on earth. that's really special in the history of our planet, and we're here to appreciate that content. do you think the cyanobacteria were good or evil because they did the great oxygenation event? you can try to apply values to things at a certain scale, but it reveals more about the author than the subject tbh
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Apr 13, 2023 20:17
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There can be more than one problem. Without billions of people to sell to and pressure and propagandize into buying their lovely disposable wasteful products, corporations wouldn't have wait what am I doing engaging with this
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Apr 13, 2023 20:18
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A fun thing to think about : an extreme simplification: Trees literally caused one of the major mass extinction events because they just grew and there was nothing to break them down at all when they died so it just hosed everything up completely. But then we got fungi and stuff later to deal with it and that rocks. coincidentally thats why no more oil will ever be created. really loving good book that gives a fun primer of all the ways earth has hosed itself up and then always taken like hundreds of millions of years to reset after every time: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32075449-the-ends-of-the-world
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Apr 13, 2023 20:21
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silicone thrills posted:A fun thing to think about : We're currently knowingly doing one of those fuckups, but this time we're speedrunning it
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Apr 13, 2023 20:23
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zodium... lol
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Apr 13, 2023 20:24
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Wakko posted:my dude you seem really caught up in moralizing. is humanity bad? is humanity good? it's just like.. not that big of a deal. what humanity does is end most all complex life on earth. that's really special in the history of our planet, and we're here to appreciate that content.
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Apr 13, 2023 20:26
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the us consumes 370 million gallons of gas per day, ~15million per hour a gallon contains 33.7 kwh of energy thats equivalent to electricity production of 15M*33.7 = 515M kilowatts, assuming perfectly even distribution current production is 1.14 billion kilowatts so we basically need to increase the electrical production of the country by 50%. also >50% of the current grid is non-renewable so that has to be replaced as well. for us its approx 515M kw for the gas replacement and 750 for the fossil replacement. the last 15 years got us 200M kw in renewables, so we just need 90 more years at that rate or less if we can go faster. also also every other country will be trying to do this simultaneously of the same pool of global resources. so unless you can figure out the global logistics equivalent of pulling a tablecloth out from under a three course meal, theres going to be a fuckton of pain implemented on everyone who touches anything that touches fossil fuels. and if you aren't willing to admit that the way forward necessitates a drastic reduction in quality of life, you arent thinking seriously about any of this and are just waiting for the fascists to take over in defense of the USA national treat reserves and implement southern facing artillery battalions so you can coo and aww and say 'gowrsh howdy i wish those republicans in the courts werent blocking our 5% subsidy of putting solar panels on your second home, they really got us in a pickle' while you enjoy the spoils of empire, but feel sorta bad about it sometimes
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Apr 13, 2023 20:26
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Doktor Avalanche posted:lol this is twitter anarchist-tier handwaving of material reality how dare you  oil and gas is important but it's time as an easy source of energy is ending anyway, so moving away from it is not going to befall the end-times. the shift that matters is who knows the next resource (uranium, lithium, rare earth metals) and how they'll use it
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Apr 13, 2023 20:27
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Neo-Malthusianists always gently caress up their argument by failing to say that, if considered in terms of environmental impact, it's really only the developed world that is overpopulated. This is because developed countries have grossly disproportionate per capita emissions when compared to developing countries, and the higher birth rates in developing countries does not at all counter that. Like, for collapse purposes, population growth in the developed world just doesn't really matter in the forseeable future since they can't afford enough fossil fuels for their emissions per capita to catch up with the developed world. It's not surprising that a skeptic's fascism-alarm would trigger when that context is omitted from the argument. This is why a one-child policy exclusively in developed countries is, like, the only remaining option for controlling emissions(but still not at all practicable lol). Also open borders would be pretty nice too, for environmental as well as humanitarian reasons. Obviously a one-child policy isn't happening without extreme and endemic political violence, so, uh...does it still count as eco-fascist if the political violence that I advocate for is mostly targetted against rich and privileged whites? Cuttlefush posted:can everyone who thinks that humanity is poison please say so? i'd like to get a head count Humanity is poison, but not essentially or intrinsically. It's because humans are constituted through a cybernetic growth-based feedback loop that self-accelerates until it either destroys itself or collapses then tries again. There is no self-stabilising equilibrium here.
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Apr 13, 2023 20:27
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Well there's the theory that sea plants in upcoming psycho tropical Berlin might take the edge off by growing so insanely fast they die and dump carbon under ocean sediments But ofc that's not going to help out anything for the next million years even if it's true & the arctic ocean is swarming with crocodiles & aquatic ferns within a decade Best case is I guess some kinda ultra petm who knows
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Apr 13, 2023 20:27
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What is a good quality of life anyway? Like what does that really mean? Im not being sarcastic btw. im curious about it really is. Is it a full belly and shelter? Is it having entertainment? What does it include?
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Apr 13, 2023 20:27
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A Bakers Cousin posted:white rock whoever you are arguing with has made you really upset but they dont seem to post in this thread? it started with car haters bullshit but I found the lack of pushback or some nodding in agreement... disturbing. well he stopped posting so anyway, we are hosed, let's do our best in spite of the apocalypse and get back to posting environmental disasters
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Apr 13, 2023 20:28
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silicone thrills posted:A fun thing to think about : great book
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Apr 13, 2023 20:31
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Wakko posted:really disgusting stuff. how can this be the biosphere collapse thread if there’s proponents of white genocide. who will maintain the golf courses and the cruise ships. Crazypoops posted:Ugh there's microd&ds in my biosphere thread Real hurthling! posted:facite quod necesse est, vasta albos populos pyrobolis radiantium particularum bis ut certior sis, atqui ter ne qui supersint But sincere posting: if there were a hundred million posting like the 'audited' poster here, sending them to the reeducation thread might actually DO SOMETHING. But we've just a handful of shitposters and a Hubbert... I don't feel (but I've misread threads before) that the lack of imagination and failure to correctly identify the things that would need to be done is causative of setting the overall tone here. It's more like, well we do have a pretty bad track record managing our overall local habitats historically, that much is plain,, and (I'll speak for myself) it feels like the needfull has no chance in hell of getting done in our lifetimes (goons are old). Expand the horizon, and who knows, limits to knowledge right there.
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Apr 13, 2023 20:31
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surely we will catch a break now, after decades of everything accelerating in the wrong direction something good will happen for once. we are due!!!!
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Apr 13, 2023 20:34
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White Rock posted:it started with car haters bullshit but I found the lack of pushback or some nodding in agreement... disturbing. yeah this is bizarre. getting called moralizing and anarchist-tier handwaving material reality by people claiming that overpopulation is the problem is a first.
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Apr 13, 2023 20:38
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After being forced to read this thread over the past pages, I am now willing to do my part to reduce the human population, starting and ending with myself. edit: two-time fee posted:But sincere posting: if there were a hundred million posting like the 'audited' poster here, sending them to the reeducation thread might actually DO SOMETHING. But we've just a handful of shitposters and a Hubbert... I don't feel (but I've misread threads before) that the lack of imagination and failure to correctly identify the things that would need to be done is causative of setting the overall tone here. hello I am a Hubbert  edit 2: while spicy, this is a really great conversation - and I won't be adding much except my quick quips and jests Hubbert has issued a correction as of 20:44 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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Apr 13, 2023 20:40
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Do you think there will be eight billion people or more on earth at the end of the century?
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Apr 13, 2023 20:41
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Cuttlefush posted:yeah this is bizarre. getting called moralizing and anarchist-tier handwaving material reality by people claiming that overpopulation is the problem is a first. okay realtalk i gotta know, is this a bit or do you think this is the d&d thread regardless, i'm thrilled to see so many new folks posting here, the content gets a lil stale otherwise. i do hope ya'll hang out and follow along
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Apr 13, 2023 20:42
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silicone thrills posted:What is a good quality of life anyway? Like what does that really mean? this is a super good question that I’ve thought about a lot. I don’t think there is one answer, and I think the any answer requires a local context. I’d like to say that a largely agrarian existence with shelter and a full belly would do just fine. maybe throw in something about self determinism and enough medicine to not die of the stupidest poo poo. but then you notice Bob next door is getting better yields or doing better in some way or messing things up for you and then you get upset because it isn’t fair and you’re being exploited and someone should do something and that just leads you right back here, I think maybe if everyone could enjoy a first world lifestyle largely devoid of toil and scarcity the competition wouldn’t matter, but I’m not sure. never mind all the other problems with that scenario
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Apr 13, 2023 20:44
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Wakko posted:regardless, i'm thrilled to see so many new folks posting here, the content gets a lil stale otherwise. i do hope ya'll hang out and follow along I’ve been following climate threads since Adar or whatever his name was talking about how no global warming isn’t real and it’s a good thing because reducing fossil fuel usage is genocide or whatever it was his bit was I usually just don’t post much because my posts are bad but I don’t know what got into me today. I felt like there was some toxic optimism happening in here and got triggered like the snowflake I am I guess
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:man i just get sick all the time Skill issue
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