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Well I guess I'm the only enjoying the season but I don't care, I'm loving it. All the old cast are together and perfect and seeing the old bridge was wonderful. I've avoided this thread when people started frothing about spoilers and I'm hoping they'll stick the landing (people itt we're saying this episode was supposed to be really dumb and it wasn't, so I have high hopes)
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The show is at least inspirational in the sense that hundreds, nay, thousands of potential writers and directors will think to themselves "well this loving sucks, I can probably do better"
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Apr 14, 2023 14:36
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The season was good for about five episodes, slipped a bit but remained okay, and then nosedived last time. Honestly for people who liked last week's episode: are you playing with your smartphone or doing something on your second monitor while you watch these things?
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Apr 14, 2023 14:36
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Mooseontheloose posted:One thing that is annoying me despite actually liking this is that a bunch of this will be undone next week. There is no way they are going to kill both of Geordi's kids. Yeah, it’s really hard to feel any sense of peril since they’re obviously gonna technobabble some EMP wave bomb that’s gonna cleanly unborg everyone affected all at once. This bioborg thing is annoying, it defanged what made the Borg so terrifying in the first place. It’s way too clean. They went from replacing organs and appendages with utilitarian machinery to giving people spider veins. All I can think of is that time they did a Beauty and the Beast adaptation in the early 2010s and instead of making the titular beast a cool beast man he was a pale bald guy with a couple face tattoos.
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Apr 14, 2023 14:40
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Detective No. 27 posted:Yeah, it’s really hard to feel any sense of peril since they’re obviously gonna technobabble some EMP wave bomb that’s gonna cleanly unborg everyone affected all at once. The Borg are way more terrifying when they are a cybernetic horror show that physically and mentally alters you, these new "Borg" suck.
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Apr 14, 2023 14:42
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Drone posted:
At the risk of sounding pretentious, it's people consuming the show rather than active watching. Borg assimilation is now "organic" something about DNA something about transporter data manipulation something about Jack being the evil chosen one something about changeling nefarious plots. Yeah yeah, munch munch, sure okay, ohhhhhh COOOOOL it's the old gang on the old ship. All's forgiven. My gripe is that there are a so many ways to get the old gang on the D together that feel natural and earned. Instead, this is overcooking a bunch of ingredients that don't pair well together by shoving them into the oven and doubling the temperature because you only have two episodes left.
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Apr 14, 2023 14:44
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remember, this show is a thoughtful character study of a man in his twilight years
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Apr 14, 2023 14:45
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Now would be a good time for that burgled cloaking device, btw. in fact everyone under 25 years old getting needlessly hosed up & borgified is probably a good metaphor for how the star trek has franchise gone. god this show is bad.
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Apr 14, 2023 14:50
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This thread does seem to be the only space on the internet that is down on Picard, most people seem to love the cheap heat 
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Apr 14, 2023 14:50
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I mean I like the parts that's the old crew together. Them on the bridge really did get me right in the nostalgia. And I like them interacting with each other. The moment when Data asked if he could say anything to comfort Picard, Picard saying no, then smiling when Data put his hand on his shoulder was a great scene of two actors getting to act. There's not enough of that.
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Apr 14, 2023 14:51
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No Dignity posted:This thread does seem to be the only space on the internet that is down on Picard, most people seem to love the cheap heat Nostalgia works on a lot of people, regardless of quality.
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Apr 14, 2023 14:52
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No Dignity posted:This thread does seem to be the only space on the internet that is down on Picard, most people seem to love the cheap heat Idk. While few are making GBS threads on it per se, when i looked around at i.e. the reddit threat that was quoted earlier... all the upvoted comments were praising random minutiae and my unscientific appraisal was that they didn't have very many upvotes, considering. Praise for the plot itself was seemingly absent. The upvote model of the internet greatly favors majorities or even just pluralities, and is gonna mask discontent that's anything less that outright fan revolt There's also self selection: People critical of Picard's flaws simply stopped watching by this point.
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Apr 14, 2023 14:54
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Detective No. 27 posted:This bioborg thing is annoying, it defanged what made the Borg so terrifying in the first place. It’s way too clean. They went from replacing organs and appendages with utilitarian machinery to giving people spider veins. All I can think of is that time they did a Beauty and the Beast adaptation in the early 2010s and instead of making the titular beast a cool beast man he was a pale bald guy with a couple face tattoos. The only part of the Borg that gives me chills is the basic concept - they only care about not caring. As Q put it in the episode that introduced the Borg: Q Who posted:"You can't outrun them, you can't destroy them. If you damage them, the essence of what they are remains. They regenerate and keep coming. Eventually you will weaken. Your reserves will be gone. They are relentless!" They are an intelligent version of the indifference of nature. Nawp. Let's make them discount zombies. Or Bond-villain conspirators. Oh...joy.
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Apr 14, 2023 14:55
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Codependent Poster posted:I mean I like the parts that's the old crew together. Them on the bridge really did get me right in the nostalgia. And I like them interacting with each other. The moment when Data asked if he could say anything to comfort Picard, Picard saying no, then smiling when Data put his hand on his shoulder was a great scene of two actors getting to act. There's not enough of that. This is the stuff that works for me too. Just let these great actors do their thing: write a single compelling narrative, let our characters be emotional and themselves and let a plot happen. All the mysterybox on top of mysterybox, on top of gore on top of action is just so stupid.
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Admiral Bosch posted:remember, this show is a thoughtful character study of a man in his twilight years 
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The nuBorg carry on the dumbshit from s2. I don't get why people are upset that that's being ignored. Jurati beat the queen via force of will. Instead of the entire point of why assimilation is so terrible, it doesn't matter how strong your will is, how great you are. The nanobots will get inside you and make you them. They will steal control of your body. That's the loving horror. However I figured it out. It's just like First Contact. Once again, the Borg only attack because Ben Sisko is busy elsewhere. "We are the Borg, we cannot be stopped....by anyone who happens to be here today"
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Apr 14, 2023 14:58
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No Dignity posted:This thread does seem to be the only space on the internet that is down on Picard, most people seem to love the cheap heat My mom's a casual trek fan. After being wowed by the first couple episodes, she said she's back to checking her phone and doing chores while the show plays in the background. I think a lot of fans are just checking in to see the original cast. They don't have the same visceral reaction we do but that doesn't mean they like it.
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Apr 14, 2023 15:02
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Alan_Shore posted:Well I guess I'm the only enjoying the season but I don't care, I'm loving it. All the old cast are together and perfect and seeing the old bridge was wonderful. I've avoided this thread when people started frothing about spoilers and I'm hoping they'll stick the landing (people itt we're saying this episode was supposed to be really dumb and it wasn't, so I have high hopes) I don't understand nostalgia. You can go and watch TNG right now, why do you need what this is? Really I am completely blindsided by anyone saying they like this. What about jack's speech that shows they don't understand the setting at all??
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Typical Pubbie posted:My mom's a casual trek fan. After being wowed by the first couple episodes, she said she's back to checking her phone and doing chores while the show plays in the background. I think a lot of fans are just checking in to see the original cast. They don't have the same visceral reaction we do but that doesn't mean they like it. Man, the level-of-interest whiplash I had when Jack is walking around dark green halls vs Frontier Day glory shots of ships was something else. Each dollop of ship porn was like a sip of cool water.
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Apr 14, 2023 15:10
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Admiral Bosch posted:just hope it doesn't get borgled I'm pretty sure there are no galaxies in the fleet, just Ross classes instead, because they need to focus all the galaxy nostalgia onto the Enterprise-D. So I guess all the Galaxies are gone now.
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Apr 14, 2023 15:16
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Man, I just looked up the Ross-class. It's like the uncanny valley Enterprise-D. It's juuust similar enough to be weirded out by it.
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Oh okay that's probably what it was. Either way I could see clear through it to earth
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It's not a one off error, all the Ross-class ships in the fleet scene are missing their nacelles
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Taear posted:I don't understand nostalgia. You can go and watch TNG right now, why do you need what this is? If its done well, its amazing. Like the Extended Universe in Star Wars. If its done poo poo its Picard or Star Wars Rey Palpatine. Picard will always be dog poo poo. But its the lego piece that you see sticking out while you look over it, that reminds you of when you used to enjoy playing Lego as a kid, so you smile and reflect on it. Doesn't mean the dog poo poo itself is good. happyhippy fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Apr 14, 2023 |
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Codependent Poster posted:I mean I like the parts that's the old crew together. Them on the bridge really did get me right in the nostalgia. And I like them interacting with each other. The moment when Data asked if he could say anything to comfort Picard, Picard saying no, then smiling when Data put his hand on his shoulder was a great scene of two actors getting to act. There's not enough of that. Yeah, that was nice, and Geordi's interactions with Data last episode (or the one before, whatever) were good too, but a piece of chocolate in a pile of poo poo still doesn't taste great. Picard might legitimately be the worst television show I've watched in its entirety. I probably would have quit after the first couple episodes if my wife wasn't slightly more into it than I am, and now we're going on inertia. Dexter might be the next worst, but at least that had one good season and some good ideas/moments in the next few seasons.
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https://twitter.com/colintucker/status/1646679712067117056 lol someone got the picture for me. lmao
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I thought the moment between picard and data was strange They're not friends. Data and Geordie are. Maybe Picard and Riker? But really, the whole point of him was that he's distant from the crew. And we didn't have any bridging between that and what we have now
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Apr 14, 2023 15:37
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Picard and Data are more mentor and student that evolved into friends. Data was constantly going 'I don't get humans' and Picard would explain it.
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Timby posted:I'm talking out of school here and I need to shut up, but let's just say that Matalas and Henry Alonso Myers are not particularly big fans of one another and Myers is known to ignore notes that he receives from Matalas. No need to spill any more gossip, but this does make me wonder if there’s any internal rivalry or teeth-gnashing over some shows being critically favored over the other. Or if maybe they’re all just siloed off and don’t care and are just focusing on getting stuff out in time.
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Also All Good Things ended with Picard deciding to open up to the other main characters
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Man, I just looked up the Ross-class. It's like the uncanny valley Enterprise-D. It's juuust similar enough to be weirded out by it. In the original design it's meant to be a variant of the Galaxy with the design altered specifically for diplomatic and first contact exploration purposes and there's only a few of them, they didn't replace the Galaxies. But Picard S2 and S3 seem to be treating it as just the Galaxy refit with all the originals gone and lots of Rosses around instead. Like I said, probably to maximise the nostalgia moment of seeing the original D, but it's ironic that the TNG nostalgia show seems to be establishing they're all gone way earlier than they were meant to be. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Apr 14, 2023 |
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Alan_Shore posted:Well I guess I'm the only enjoying the season but I don't care, I'm loving it. All the old cast are together and perfect and seeing the old bridge was wonderful. I've avoided this thread when people started frothing about spoilers and I'm hoping they'll stick the landing (people itt we're saying this episode was supposed to be really dumb and it wasn't, so I have high hopes) I want to be clear, I've enjoyed most of this season and I even enjoyed the last episode, you aren't alone in that. But if I am being fair my criticism this season are: 1) Using four episodes to tell two or three episodes of content. 2) Missing opportunities to explore the psychology of the characters/modern Federation more. I guess this isn't a criticism but a thinking things through thing...if this were Season 1 I think it would of been received better and would of tightened up Season 1 a lot more with the ideas. Season 2 had ideas but barfed them all over the place in an incoherent mess.
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Admiral Bosch posted:https://twitter.com/colintucker/status/1646679712067117056 I know incompetence is the answer, but I'd like to think it was actually just subtle acts of animator rebellion trying to ruin the stupidest scene in an already incredibly stupid episode. Or it was that one dude's "gently caress you" response to that one pin-dicked producer (probably Terry Matalas himself) making him remove the California and Parliament class ships he slipped into the fleet shots. Funny though regarding that little production friction incident that that unnamed producer was keen enough to be able to spot the Calis and the Parls among that visual diarrhea fleet shot, but somehow completely missed that the Ross classes didn't have loving warp nacelles  They're so focused on being spiteful to the other shows they didn't realize the flaws in their OWN material.
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You know Captain Nog would be rocking the poo poo out of the galaxy at this same time.
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Wow. That episode probably looked good on paper, but the whole storyline just didn't work out on screen. Just one dumb twist after another punctuated by lines that are just bad.
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what about babb ys./ might not be star fleet but theyre on the ships they got all that transporter data info in the same files or whatever right. prolly everybody brought their kids for the big frontier day celebration. they need do way instain matalas
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Hey you know what would be better than 7 octogenarians driving a busted up old ship meant to be driven by a thousand people into battle with plan? Isn't Worf best mates with the Klingon Chancellor, or if he's not Chancellor anymore, Worf's still a high ranking member of a Klingon house with its own fleet of ships?
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MikeJF posted:Hey you know what would be better than 7 octogenarians driving a busted up old ship meant to be driven by a thousand people into battle with plan? Isn't Worf best mates with the Klingon Chancellor, or if he's not Chancellor anymore, Worf's still a high ranking member of a Klingon house with its own fleet of ships? Yep. It wouldn't be the first time that the Klingons have come to the rescue when all of Starfleet's ships get possessed by hostile technology, either.
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MikeJF posted:Hey you know what would be better than 7 octogenarians driving a busted up old ship meant to be driven by a thousand people into battle with plan? Isn't Worf best mates with the Klingon Chancellor, or if he's not Chancellor anymore, Worf's still a high ranking member of a Klingon house with its own fleet of ships? I don’t recall that happening on TNG, so it must not have happened at all
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Finally caught the episode. Many "What the fucks" were had. Jack's big idea - the Borg are hunting me as an ultimate weapon to use against humanity. I know, I'll go directly to the Borg Queen, that's a magnificent idea! Better head right to the entire Starfleet fleet. Couldn't possibly broadcast a widebeam on all frequencies or anything from light years away. Nope, gotta be in person for some reason. Oh no, they've taken control of out ship! Who could ever have foreseen such a thing? Ooh, look, the whole Fleet fleet operates as one. Yes, can't think of a single way that's a loving terrible idea. Every single close-up on Jack has to focus on the tears in his eyes. How he manages to ever get anywhere when everything must be a blur is a mystery. The reveal of Borg DNA in the transporter system would have been an absolute mindfuck in a series that hadn't gone out of its way to piss on the viewers at every step. Oh hey, admiral Shelby is dead. Certainly worth brining the actor back for the ten seconds she was on screen to shoot her in the chest. Thanks Matalas  loving Excelsior taken out and only shown on a loving animatic in a loving elevator. Matalas is making GBS threads directly into our mouths at this point. Convenient corridor shootout removes all non-TNG people. God I hope Raffi dies. How is the Enterprise "analog" do these hacks even know what the word means? 41 minutes into the ninth episode and we finally get some good lighting. All that nostalgia aint gonna wash the taste of this turd from my mouth. EDIT: And Hand Face still hasn't been directly revealed! I mean, we all know who it is at this point, but gently caress me. Leaving that until episode 10 of 10 is such a hack move. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Apr 14, 2023 |
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