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Nessus posted:They did eat a lot of legumes in Sumeria. "Well, uh, beans were a staple of the Israelites. Proceed!"
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FFT posted:To tie into the other discussion, one of the only episodes I actually watched back in the day had Jack the Ripper as an abductee diplomat or something? The Vorlons, an alien race who had a long history of tampering with mankind, abducted him, taught him what he was doing was wrong, and then put him into stasis, to take him out to interrogate the true motives of those people the Vorlons took as their agents.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Honestly I think the humour thing is just something that a bit of thinking should be able to figure out the idea of, especially comparing to genres of humour that are familiar to us. Anti-humour and subversion of expectations all relies on tone and build-up that's lost when told second-hand without the original tone and timing. And on the other hand, while Who's On First obviously would be nonsense translated directly, it's not hard to imagine every spoken language has its equivalent of what's an entire genre of jokes. (Heck, My Little Pony had a Who's On First routine based on their gimmicky toy names) There's a big gap between "knowledge" and "reasonable speculation." The fact that we can kind of twist our heads and see a way in which a given thing could be funny doesn't mean that it was received as funny in that way by people in the past. We can see this even with humor that presently exists. Jeff Dunham will likely go down as the most successful comedian of my lifetime, and I just find it kind of appalling. Jeff Dunham is actually an interesting case. A major function of humor is to establish who is and is not a member of the in-group. Who is getting laughed at and who is laughing. There's really no punchline to a lot of his jokes other than "haha its cool how Muslims aren't people." Which is also an illustration of the historical utility of taking jokes seriously! If we can suss out some of what's going on with a joke, we can learn about common concerns and prejudices. But it's also I'd say bit of a distance between having some suspicion about what hte joke is and having real confidence. Ultimately the big issue with historical humor is that a huge percentage of humor is based on context. Context that we do not, and very likely will not, ever have. And we can work around that, that is a lot of the work of history, but that's not the same as it being easy.
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Anthony Kaldellis has a full narrative history of the ERE coming out in October, that's exciting. Thousand pages covering the entire period from Constantinople's foundation to the end. I can't think of any of those in English that have been published in quite a while, will be nice to have a basic text with current thinking.
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Grand Fromage posted:Anthony Kaldellis has a full narrative history of the ERE coming out in October, that's exciting. Thousand pages covering the entire period from Constantinople's foundation to the end. I can't think of any of those in English that have been published in quite a while, will be nice to have a basic text with current thinking. Yeah I'm mad hype. I hope an edition of it comes out at not gently caress you academic press prices. I think he has enough of an audience to get it at least out there at a premium hardcover price in regular bookstores. I'll probably try to preorder when available if it's not several hundred dollars. Do you bring this up because of the ep of History of Byzantium that came out today? Because some of his analysis on that has me even more excited to read it.
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Amazon has "The New Roman Empire: A History of Byzantium" priced at $45 (October 1, 2023 release date). And yeah, that was a good ep today.
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Yeah I'm crazy excited for that book, I'll probably buy it even if it is priced at "it's a textbook gently caress you" levels. I'm amused that he calls it "the beast", and also think it's cool that he's doing a very non-Byzantine run on Byzantium and Friends to get into some new to him material as a break.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm reminded of how in Babylon 5, apparently Earth's most popular cultural export is The Three Stooges. You get some of that even between contemporary cultures. I was amazed at how popular Benny Hill and Are You Being Served? still were in the US when I moved there around 2003 or so - basically totally forgotten here in the UK by then. Or this thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_One - nobody here's heard of it but apparently it was/is a huge thing in Germany.
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I'm not surprised, especially with Are You Being Served? being on the nose enough about the British class system and stereotypes for the audience to pick up on what the joke is meant to be, and those being all the funnier to a different culture. Also reminded that Columbo is huge in Japan apparently because they already had a tradition of detective stories in a similar mould- where the audience learns who did the crime and how at the beginning, and the reveal is how the detective figures it out- which it slotted right into.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm not surprised, especially with Are You Being Served? being on the nose enough about the British class system and stereotypes for the audience to pick up on what the joke is meant to be, and those being all the funnier to a different culture. Keeping Up Appearances is disproportionately popular outside UK too
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A lot of that is just "what shows does local us public television get rights for." What I miss is the 1990s golden age of British mystery shows, all rebroadcast on PBS Mystery! Poirot, campion, Marple, Brett's Sherlock, etc.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:A lot of that is just "what shows does local us public television get rights for." Lovejoy was good
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Grand Fromage posted:Anthony Kaldellis has a full narrative history of the ERE coming out in October, that's exciting. Thousand pages covering the entire period from Constantinople's foundation to the end. I can't think of any of those in English that have been published in quite a while, will be nice to have a basic text with current thinking. I read Kaldellis as Kiedis at first and was very confused.
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CommonShore posted:Lovejoy was good See, I missed that one entirely because it never made PBS and we didn't have cable in the 1990s. I wonder if we can catch it on Britbox now. Fake edit: it's on Prime! Thanks!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:See, I missed that one entirely because it never made PBS and we didn't have cable in the 1990s. I wonder if we can catch it on Britbox now. Disclaimer I haven't watched it since like 1996 but I remember it being good and it has a good cast
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I wish we'd get a new Ken Burns version of American Civil War and that of Roman history, both. I know that ACW was already done but I'd like some CGI illustrations and animations, and less of Shelby Foote. With Rome, where modern CGI stands, we could have some impressive long form docuseries.
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CommonShore posted:Do you bring this up because of the ep of History of Byzantium that came out today? Because some of his analysis on that has me even more excited to read it. Yeah. I know a bunch of you dweebs listen but I figure some don't. Justice for Heraclius.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:A lot of that is just "what shows does local us public television get rights for." For a large part of my childhood this was one of the few things we were allowed to stay up late for.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I read Kaldellis as Kiedis at first and was very confused.
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Grand Fromage posted:Anthony Kaldellis has a full narrative history of the ERE coming out in October, that's exciting. Thousand pages covering the entire period from Constantinople's foundation to the end. I can't think of any of those in English that have been published in quite a while, will be nice to have a basic text with current thinking. Is there an ebook?
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I was hoping the thread could help me with something: "Saga: Age of Hannibal" is a wargame set in the time of the Punic wars (hence the name). You can play as republican Romans, Cartheginians, Gauls, Numidians, etc. You play with miniatures you paint yourself, which is part of the fun for a lot of people. I've ordered the Romans as my first army, and I was hoping the thread could point me in the direction of some resources to how the Roman legianaries from that time period looked. It would be too much to hope the miniatures are completely time period correct, but I can at least try to get the colours and markings correct. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Pop by our Historicals thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3248082&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 There are usually a couple ancient heads in there.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm not surprised, especially with Are You Being Served? being on the nose enough about the British class system and stereotypes for the audience to pick up on what the joke is meant to be, and those being all the funnier to a different culture. Another example is the German SF-series Perry Rhodan, running since 1963 and in a Penny Dreaful-Format (think novella). For some reason, every attempt at English Perry Rhodan just auto-fails, as if there's some sort of cultural disconnect preventing the format from working at all, while other countries, especially Japan for some reason, have successful runs. Japan of course being a special case, since if you take two volumes of Perry Rhodan and put them together, you get approximately one light novel. Now do the math. Also, I'd ask which format you think Perry Rhodan uses in Japan, but that's a riddle a five-year old could solve at this point.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm not surprised, especially with Are You Being Served? being on the nose enough about the British class system and stereotypes for the audience to pick up on what the joke is meant to be, and those being all the funnier to a different culture. Are You Being Served? also had the advantage with American audiences of retail work being very familiar with a lot of (but not enough) people. Most of the characters were automatically sympathetic to a good chunk of the audience.
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mllaneza posted:Are You Being Served? also had the advantage with American audiences of retail work being very familiar with a lot of (but not enough) people. Most of the characters were automatically sympathetic to a good chunk of the audience. and a lot of sex jokes
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RC and Moon Pie posted:and a lot of sex jokes You catch as catch can.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm not surprised, especially with Are You Being Served? being on the nose enough about the British class system and stereotypes for the audience to pick up on what the joke is meant to be, and those being all the funnier to a different culture.
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Tias posted:Pop by our Historicals thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3248082&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 Thank you Tias, I'll take a look over there.
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Experimental archeologists discover that helmets are too hot and heavy. Apparently Roman and Greek soldiers on the march wore cheap and simple broad-brimmed hats! And we have depictions of this!
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Arglebargle III posted:Experimental archeologists discover that helmets are too hot and heavy. Boonies just makes sense. So naturally while our currently military has them we are generally not allowed to wear them.
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Arglebargle III posted:Experimental archeologists discover that helmets are too hot and heavy. Lol looks like a bare pot belly at first glance
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A lot of art, and as a result a lot of people, has trouble understanding armour is something you only want to be wearing when you're going into battle.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of art, and as a result a lot of people, has trouble understanding armour is something you only want to be wearing when you're going into battle. A lot of art also depicts soldiers in what amount to parades. Victory celebrations and processions etc. Which, yeah, you're going to suit up in that poo poo then too because no one wants to see a parade of dudes slouching along how they actually would on a march. Edit: For example, imagine if space archeologists 10,000 years from now thought that Prussian soldiers got everywhere by goose stepping.
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Apologies if this has been covered extensively at some point by the thread. I'm curious about contacts between ancient empires and less advanced or even tribal civilizations. I just want to indulge a curiosity about that context specifically and I don't have any particular preference besides that it be before ~1600 or so. Does anyone have any recommendations? I don't mind reading sources either, for example I figure Herodotus should probably be one of my first stops. If anyone has any recommendations for good editions of such material with regards to footnotes to give a non-academic reader context, that would be great.
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Tosk posted:Apologies if this has been covered extensively at some point by the thread. I'm curious about contacts between ancient empires and less advanced or even tribal civilizations. I just want to indulge a curiosity about that context specifically and I don't have any particular preference besides that it be before ~1600 or so. Does anyone have any recommendations? My favorite is Life and Society in the Hittite World, which is overall a social history of a kingdom, but the Hittites were a pretty pluralistic empire and so relations between the Hittites, Mittani, Egyptians, Luwians, and Canaanites is a significant part of it. I haven't read it yet but the same author wrote The Kingdom of the Hittites which I think focuses more on their place in a foreign policy context. Its also not the focus of it but Stone Age Economics does go pretty good into depth about foreign relations that stone age groups have between each other. It is old as hell. The Open Empire covers a wider range of history than you're looking for precisely, but at least the first several chapters are very good for what you're looking for and I think will cover something neat: which is that China was a regional hegemon basically as long as we have history, so its foreign relations are basically never understood to be peer-to-peer. Tulip fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Apr 21, 2023 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:A lot of art also depicts soldiers in what amount to parades. Victory celebrations and processions etc. Which, yeah, you're going to suit up in that poo poo then too because no one wants to see a parade of dudes slouching along how they actually would on a march. You're telling me they didn't conscript the giraffes into goose stepping divisions?
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where is this from?
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Tias posted:where is this from?
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Tias posted:where is this from? That’s Tom, the guy who loves minerals, from Breaking Bad.
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