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iPodschun
Dec 29, 2004

Sherlock House

hexwren posted:

what shoes are those
Noir Shoes, from variant dungeon currency, dyed cactuar green

Kerrzhe posted:

i would tell you to go get one of the kamuy mounts but none of them are green. the shinryu one has green flames though so i'd say that's close enough


My original idea was to use this as a Summoner glam with a carbuncle being my wolf, but the emerald carby is still too blue

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Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Reminder for CC: on the Clockwork map with where people tend to set up you're not pushing the crystal at the start, you're pulling it. That means if you get caught up fighting the enemy team away from the crystal one person can slip in and pull it towards their goal, leaving you trying to catch up.

Roluth
Apr 22, 2014

Bruceski posted:

Reminder for CC: on the Clockwork map with where people tend to set up you're not pushing the crystal at the start, you're pulling it. That means if you get caught up fighting the enemy team away from the crystal one person can slip in and pull it towards their goal, leaving you trying to catch up.

Actually, the door leading towards mid is a straight up trap. No room to run, doesn't actually get you to mid any faster. If you can get your team to follow you, jump through the gate to your midpoint instead to catch the other team without an easy out. Otherwise, just walk to mid through the flip floors.

atenthirtyone
Aug 11, 2011
I think that Frontlines is a lot more enjoyable than Crystal Conflict in Final Fantasy Online. The large-scale battles involving multiple teams of players in Frontlines create a more immersive and dynamic experience, making me feel like I'm part of an epic conflict. Additionally, the different objectives and strategies required in Frontlines add to the excitement, whether it's capturing and holding key locations or escorting important NPCs.

On the other hand, while Crystal Conflict can be fun, I find that it can quickly become repetitive due to its smaller teams and limited objectives, which often makes matches feel over before they've even begun. Moreover, Frontlines offers three different modes, each tailored to different gameplay styles, which adds to its diversity.

In conclusion, if you're looking for a more exciting PvP mode, I'd recommend giving Frontlines a try.

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

I'm also a fan of escorting the important NPCs

hexwren
Feb 27, 2008

atenthirtyone posted:

I think that Frontlines is a lot more enjoyable than Crystal Conflict in Final Fantasy Online. The large-scale battles involving multiple teams of players in Frontlines create a more immersive and dynamic experience, making me feel like I'm part of an epic conflict. Additionally, the different objectives and strategies required in Frontlines add to the excitement, whether it's capturing and holding key locations or escorting important NPCs.

On the other hand, while Crystal Conflict can be fun, I find that it can quickly become repetitive due to its smaller teams and limited objectives, which often makes matches feel over before they've even begun. Moreover, Frontlines offers three different modes, each tailored to different gameplay styles, which adds to its diversity.

In conclusion, if you're looking for a more exciting PvP mode, I'd recommend giving Frontlines a try.

I don't think you're thinking of frontline

e: this is one of those chat AIs that can't do research correctly, isn't it

SuperKlaus
Oct 20, 2005


Fun Shoe
I think it's the "in conclusion" at the end that's the tell.

I mean besides the straight up wrong stuff

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


frontlines is only exciting when you queue scholar and play exclusively to rack up huge yet pointless damage numbers

Dareon
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

blatman posted:

frontlines is only exciting when you queue scholar and play exclusively to rack up huge yet pointless damage numbers

Excuse you, I play SCH in frontlines to make everyone choke on my purple farts

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Both can be exciting when going well (which doesn't just mean "you're winning"), both are miserable when going badly. The advantage of CC is that numbers are small enough it feels you can do something to contribute. The downside of CC is that numbers are small enough it feels like your fault. I've had amazing Frontlines matches where everyone's really close and the match ends with people within 50 points of each other so every time you managed to stall people for a few seconds or cap a node out from under a brawl feels like the key moment, and I've also had matches where everyone just decides to beat on you for the whole game and there's no way to break out of it.

I enjoy Frontlines the most when I'm running with a few friends, we can celebrate the small wins and mourn the setbacks together. When CC goes badly at least it's over quick, there isn't time to marinate in the badfeels.

atenthirtyone
Aug 11, 2011
I think if they added a mode where you could queue CC with friends instead of having to queue at the same time I would enjoy it more. Also ranked not having any new rewards kills any drive to even queue it up instead of Frontline.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



atenthirtyone posted:

I think if they added a mode where you could queue CC with friends instead of having to queue at the same time I would enjoy it more.

The main reason they don't is that even a mild degree of coordination in a mode like CC gives you a substantial advantage, and enough games of people being pitted against what feels like an insurmountably coordinated team, even in casual modes, is going to drive everyone except party queues away, and having a party queue exclusive mode will split what's already a smaller playerbase apart. PVP modes in MMOs, by necessity, have to be lean.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
I can't think of a single thing someone could maybe call good about Frontlines that isn't also true about Rival Wings, which has far less 'but's about it.

Well, except that Rival Wings doesn't give you the Field Commander's Coat.

EDIT:

Vermain posted:

The main reason they don't is that even a mild degree of coordination in a mode like CC gives you a substantial advantage, and enough games of people being pitted against what feels like an insurmountably coordinated team, even in casual modes, is going to drive everyone except party queues away.

Also, the moment you introduce organized parties into a mode like this it turns into Match-Fixing Heaven. Which might not have been what killed the Feast depending on who you ask, but definitely stopped it being revived.

atenthirtyone
Aug 11, 2011

Vermain posted:

The main reason they don't is that even a mild degree of coordination in a mode like CC gives you a substantial advantage, and enough games of people being pitted against what feels like an insurmountably coordinated team, even in casual modes, is going to drive everyone except party queues away, and having a party queue exclusive mode will split what's already a smaller playerbase apart. PVP modes in MMOs, by necessity, have to be lean.

When I sync queue with friends for casual we don't really coordinate differently then we would when playing solo so I never really thought how group queues would just force people to play in groups or get rekt.
So yeah, that logic seems right and group queues would probably be a bad thing which kinda sucks for me.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

hexwren posted:

e: this is one of those chat AIs that can't do research correctly, isn't it

That's how it read to me. That and they've only got four recent posts and three of them are in this thread.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
FFXIV needs ballista

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

I still have to do about 25 matches of the Frontline mode that's going away to get the last node achievement. It sucks but it's going to nag me forever if I don't.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



super sweet best pal posted:

That's how it read to me. That and they've only got four recent posts and three of them are in this thread.

there's something deeply amusing about the idea of an AI-driven bot taking a wrong turn and ending up in one of the dustiest corners of the internet to pontificate on banal MMO subjects forever

HPanda
Sep 5, 2008

Vermain posted:

there's something deeply amusing about the idea of an AI-driven bot taking a wrong turn and ending up in one of the dustiest corners of the internet to pontificate on banal MMO subjects forever

...There's gonna be some nerd who programs AI bots to do exactly this some day, isn't there? Just set to eternally argue whatever position they're programmed with. And they'll eventually just start arguing back and forth at each other long after the human race dies out.

A few trillion years from now as the universe settles into eternal cold, all that will remain are a few sweaty bots yelling about Star Wars casting, Star Trek captains, and if Emet Selch did nothing wrong.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



300,000 years in the future, endless war rages between the robotic descendants of the pro combo plugin vs. anti combo plugin factions

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

Vermain posted:

300,000 years in the future, endless war rages between the robotic descendants of the pro combo plugin vs. anti combo plugin factions

i know which ai i'm donating to so i'm not roko'd!

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Honestly it feels like I've got a significant number of games in the clockwork map where the team straight up gets lost. As in, the enemy team is pushing the crystal and for some reason my team groups up waiting for them at the wrong goal. They're not chasing anyone or anything, they're just....standing there. It's really poo poo map design for that to be consistently happening imo

Vikar Jerome
Nov 26, 2013

I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.
Any decent theories on who (6.2) golbez is? Keep in mind i havent even started 6.3 yet and only just done 6.2, but that was the watcher on the moon he killed right in that flashback? At least the watcher of the 13th. If we are following ff4 then theres gotta be a connection to the current cast. I figure the 13th version of zodiark is zeemus but hes gone now so...

Ive been thinking that it might he zero's mother or at the very least, this worlds azem. (It feels like zero might be tho?) Had a wild thought it might esteniens brother because dragon and voice but lol maybe not. Then again if 6.4 has a trial there is 1000% chance azdaja is used as an attack cos thats what he has in ff4. Feels more like the relation will be to zero tho

Im wondering tho if its all a red herring, like the moon is made of light aether right (looks like the empty, keeps zodiark bound) what if golbez plans to actually fix the 13th themselves by crashing the 13ths moon into the void and the expansion is exploring the semi-fix 13th like shb?

Vikar Jerome fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Apr 16, 2023

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Vikar Jerome posted:

Any decent theories on who (6.2) golbez is? Keep in mind i havent even started 6.3 yet and only just done 6.2, but that was the watcher on the moon he killed right in that flashback? At least the watcher of the 13th. If we are following ff4 then theres gotta be a connection to the current cast. I figure the 13th version of zodiark is zeemus but hes gone now so...

Ive been thinking that it might he zero's mother or at the very least, this worlds azem. (It feels like zero might be tho?) Had a wild thought it might esteniens brother because dragon and voice but lol maybe not. Then again if 6.4 has a trial there is 1000% chance azdaja is used as an attack cos thats what he has in ff4. Feels more like the relation will be to zero tho

Im wondering tho if its all a red herring, like the moon is made of light aether right (looks like the empty, keeps zodiark bound) what if golbez plans to actually fix the 13th themselves by crashing the 13ths moon into the void and the expansion is exploring the semi-fix 13th like shb?


6.3 explains a bit.

Vikar Jerome
Nov 26, 2013

I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.

super sweet best pal posted:

6.3 explains a bit.

Ah cool

hazardousmouse
Dec 17, 2010

Cleretic posted:

I can't think of a single thing someone could maybe call good about Frontlines that isn't also true about Rival Wings, which has far less 'but's about it.

Well, except that Rival Wings doesn't give you the Field Commander's Coat.


yeah it gets you gorillaz

Vikar Jerome
Nov 26, 2013

I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.
Goddamn when they did add that sexy new blue theme?? Been using classic blue since the start but i got recced some yt and saw the new one thinking it was a pc mod until i doubled checked the theme settings :eyepop:

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Vikar Jerome posted:

Goddamn when they did add that sexy new blue theme?? Been using classic blue since the start but i got recced some yt and saw the new one thinking it was a pc mod until i doubled checked the theme settings :eyepop:

Clear Blue was added in the last major patch IIRC, 6.3

Vikar Jerome
Nov 26, 2013

I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.

Arist posted:

Clear Blue was added in the last major patch IIRC, 6.3

Sick. Getting pumped for that graphics update

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Vikar Jerome posted:

Any decent theories on who (6.2) golbez is? Keep in mind i havent even started 6.3 yet and only just done 6.2, but that was the watcher on the moon he killed right in that flashback? At least the watcher of the 13th. If we are following ff4 then theres gotta be a connection to the current cast. I figure the 13th version of zodiark is zeemus but hes gone now so...

Ive been thinking that it might he zero's mother or at the very least, this worlds azem. (It feels like zero might be tho?) Had a wild thought it might esteniens brother because dragon and voice but lol maybe not. Then again if 6.4 has a trial there is 1000% chance azdaja is used as an attack cos thats what he has in ff4. Feels more like the relation will be to zero tho

Im wondering tho if its all a red herring, like the moon is made of light aether right (looks like the empty, keeps zodiark bound) what if golbez plans to actually fix the 13th themselves by crashing the 13ths moon into the void and the expansion is exploring the semi-fix 13th like shb?


super sweet best pal posted:

6.3 explains a bit.

To be clear, 6.3 explains a bit but not enough that the question isn't still a question.

My favorite theory and the one I'm hoping for, although I don't know close it is, is that he's an eidolon/primal from the Contramemoria, who just... can't die now, because even if he runs out of aether, well, what happens?

Perhaps he wants every voidsent to leave the Thirteenth because, even if he can't die in any conventional way, maybe he can die if every single person who believes he even EXISTS is gone.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Vikar Jerome posted:

Any decent theories on who (6.2) golbez is? Keep in mind i havent even started 6.3 yet and only just done 6.2, but that was the watcher on the moon he killed right in that flashback? At least the watcher of the 13th. If we are following ff4 then theres gotta be a connection to the current cast. I figure the 13th version of zodiark is zeemus but hes gone now so...

Ive been thinking that it might he zero's mother or at the very least, this worlds azem. (It feels like zero might be tho?) Had a wild thought it might esteniens brother because dragon and voice but lol maybe not. Then again if 6.4 has a trial there is 1000% chance azdaja is used as an attack cos thats what he has in ff4. Feels more like the relation will be to zero tho

Im wondering tho if its all a red herring, like the moon is made of light aether right (looks like the empty, keeps zodiark bound) what if golbez plans to actually fix the 13th themselves by crashing the 13ths moon into the void and the expansion is exploring the semi-fix 13th like shb?


It's Graha

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

Countblanc posted:

It's Graha

who else has the dedication to do that sort of poo poo? gotta be one of his reflections

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

Darkness, darkness, froth and foam!

Firebert
Aug 16, 2004
Why does he need to be anybody, why can’t he just be a guy? He’s barely even a character as it is!

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

The reveal is gonna go down like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO0AATXa72U

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


Firebert posted:

Why does he need to be anybody, why can’t he just be a guy? He’s barely even a character as it is!

have you considered that he may in fact be tataru's carbuncle

Dragongem
Nov 9, 2009

Heroes of the Storm
Goon Tournament Champion
It's three Papalymos stacked on top of each other

Dragongem fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Apr 16, 2023

Mainwaring
Jun 22, 2007

Disco is not dead! Disco is LIFE!



It's Ilberd in an even sillier helmet

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



Man, Monk 50-60 is just rough, isn't it? I have to keep telling myself, "Just 6 more levels to Blitz… just 6 more…"

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Selane
May 19, 2006

Kheldarn posted:

Man, Monk 50-60 is just rough, isn't it? I have to keep telling myself, "Just 6 more levels to Blitz… just 6 more…"

Lol, monk is basically feature complete except for that one mechanic by 50, and is probably the number one class when it comes to getting stuff to do early on. Just think, if you were a dragoon, you wouldn’t even be getting the first part of your class gauge until level seventy something.

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