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PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



I learned stick on a hand-shifting Italian motorcycle :v:

No one taught me stick; learning on a motorcycle taught the principle of the thing, it was getting the foot/foot coordination going. I learned in 1977 on my Mom's '67 VW by driving it around the block late at night, after they were asleep.

Now, in 1982 I bought a '66 Econoline van, a former Bell truck. It was a manual, with a shifter on the column. I hadn't a clue. I got it home in first gear, then called my Dad.

"It's like a floor shifter, just turned sideways."

drat. It's that easy.

The throws are far longer & murkier than most floor shifters, though, and with the rod-driven shift linkage, if you abuse it by trying to speed-shift or force it, they'll flex, and the shift levers on the transmission will lock up & you ain't going anywhere until you crawl underneath & re-set them.

I do see it as anti-theft device.


****

Had an odd problem crop up today. I had noticed that, when I'd hit the brakes on my Bonneville, that there'd be this *snap* noise from the left front. It sounded like the entire drum brake backing plate was coming loose from the knuckle, and was rotating a little, Or that something broke inside the drum, on the brake linkage. It's been there for at least 10-12 years and I could never find anything wrong.

Well, today the *snap* turned into more of a -BANG- when I'd hit the brakes hard, and the steering would get a little weird for a second.

This was new.

(just popping the brake pedal repeatedly - has sound)

https://i.imgur.com/fZvqKQn.mp4

So I pulled the drum. Everything looked fine. Almost time to replace the shoes. But fine.

After crawling around the lower suspension and steering with a pry bar and (again) finding nothing amiss, I decide to check the upper control arm. Pulled back the rubbers.

They normally look like this - the passenger side:



but the driver’s side:



um. Where my shims

Yes, both upper control arm nuts were backed way out, and that shine is where the upper control arm was moving to and fro whenever I’d hit the brakes.

I have no idea. In fifty years of working on cars, I have never seen this happen.

I have a ton of shims somewhere – probably in this big-rear end bucket about ¾ full of fasteners & small stuff I pulled from my wreck in 2000.

But the alignment is hopelessly hosed. Now I have to find a shop that can align this boat; I had trouble finding one that could do it, ten years ago.

For the time being, I installed temporary shims!



Noise and wonkiness is gone.

Leaving the hubcap off to remind me that they’re in there.

(edit) 2-things:
Until I just watched that uploaded video, I had no idea that the entire wheel assembly was moving
Some of the shims can be seen in the background, resting peacefully on the apron below the control arm. drat.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Apr 15, 2023

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stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

armpit_enjoyer posted:

Sedan or coupe?
Sedan. In piss yellow with a poo poo brown interior. The 80s were fun.

everdave
Nov 14, 2005
I made a disparaging comment on a random c6 corvette groups post that popped up on fb, and now they’ve added me to the group? Wtf? I’ve commented a shot ton in the past ten minutes about new balances and gold chains I pray I’m banned by morning.

Large Testicles
Jun 1, 2020

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KillHour posted:

I bought a brand new Focus RS and had to drive it home. :v:

I did this except learning clutch on a motorcycle. The dealer didn’t give a poo poo I didn’t have a bike license either and didn’t for another 2 years because when I went to get it I found out my license was suspended in another state and it was right when they started checking every other state’s records

everdave posted:

I made a disparaging comment on a random c6 corvette groups post that popped up on fb, and now they’ve added me to the group? Wtf? I’ve commented a shot ton in the past ten minutes about new balances and gold chains I pray I’m banned by morning.

hey! some of us don't wear new balances by choice, them or birkenstocks are the only things wide enough for my giant feet that aren't crazy expensive and sometimes i need to wear real shoes

Large Testicles fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Apr 15, 2023

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
I learned to drive manual on my dad's Volvo 1967 122 (this was in the early 70s). For 9-year-old me, it felt like that clutch required a loving sledgehammer to move.

Humbug Scoolbus fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Apr 15, 2023

Saukkis
May 16, 2003

Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.
I drove off the road the first time while sitting on my dad's lap when I was about three, trying to drive around a large puddle. Didn't have the reach for clutch and stick yet. Around 6 I learned the basics of manual while moving cars and tractors in the farm field.

At 12 dad bought a beater Datsun 100A and me and cousin spent two days hooning around the farm before I crashed it. Luckily we only needed to drive on a public highway less than a kilometer to reach the local gravel pit. That gave decent amount of practice with a manual, so the stick was piece of cake. Brakes were a different matter, on the first try I didn't quite manage to do a stoppie. Turns out a late 90s driving school car has a different brake feel than a 70s Datsun.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Large Testicles posted:

I did this except learning clutch on a motorcycle. The dealer didn’t give a poo poo I didn’t have a bike license either and didn’t for another 2 years because when I went to get it I found out my license was suspended in another state and it was right when they started checking every other state’s records

I don't think you need to have a license to legally buy a vehicle, just to drive it. Dealer doesn't give a poo poo what you do with your property after you bought it.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

KillHour posted:

I don't think you need to have a license to legally buy a vehicle, just to drive it. Dealer doesn't give a poo poo what you do with your property after you bought it.

depends, some states will require you to prove you have insurance before you can take the keys

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


OBAMNA PHONE posted:

depends, some states will require you to prove you have insurance before you can take the keys

Oh yeah, I forgot about this. NY does this. It's loving stupid because there was a point where I had traded in a car and hadn't gotten the new one yet, but I couldn't stop paying insurance and also keep my plates.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

OBAMNA PHONE posted:

depends, some states will require you to prove you have insurance before you can take the keys

IIRC this is actually a function of the temporary registration?

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



hobbesmaster posted:

IIRC this is actually a function of the temporary registration?

Not every state.

Imperador do Brasil
Nov 18, 2005
Rotor-rific



in PA you can buy and title the car without insurance but you can’t register it without some sort of proof of coverage. You’re allowed to use a valid insurance card from another vehicle and most insurance companies give you between 14-30 days to add the car to the policy.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

OBAMNA PHONE posted:

depends, some states will require you to prove you have insurance before you can take the keys

TX does this, unless you do a "title only" sale - which is how I got my Subaru. It couldn't pass emissions, so legally they couldn't sell it with registration - but most dealers won't do this. They did give me a 30 day temp tag (that they really shouldn't have) to sort things out with it.

One $50 O2 sensor and some swearing later and it passed fine, never saw the CEL again... no clue why the dealer didn't want to bother replacing it, they'd been sitting on it for over 3 months (I know this because I drove past it every day and saw it sitting in the back lot). I haggled a good chunk off of the original price, all because their mechanic was too lazy to buy an O2 sensor. :shrug:

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Saukkis posted:

At 12 dad bought a beater Datsun 100A and me and cousin spent two days hooning around the farm before I crashed it. Luckily we only needed to drive on a public highway less than a kilometer to reach the local gravel pit. That gave decent amount of practice with a manual, so the stick was piece of cake. Brakes were a different matter, on the first try I didn't quite manage to do a stoppie. Turns out a late 90s driving school car has a different brake feel than a 70s Datsun.

Hahah fark, are you my cousin!?

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher
I don't remember when I first tried to drive a car

I do remember kick-starting a dinosaur tho

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Low hanging fruit but WTF, no spare?

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Humphreys posted:

Low hanging fruit but WTF, no spare?

That's.... not as unique as you would think, a number of ordinary car models do not have a spare tyre either.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

That's.... not as unique as you would think, a number of ordinary car models do not have a spare tyre either.

Fark, news to me!

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Humphreys posted:

Fark, news to me!

Someone made a list even!

https://motorandwheels.com/do-all-c...%207%20BMW%20X3

https://www.sparkyexpress.ca/blogs/autoverse/a-list-of-cars-without-no-spare-wheel

JFC its much larger than I imagined......



Acura NSX
Audi R8
Audi TT
BMW 2 Series
BMW 3 Series
BMW 4 Series
BMW 6 Series
BMW i3
BMW i8
BMW X3
BMW X4
Cadillac ATS
Cadillac CTS
Chevrolet Bolt EV
Chevrolet Camaro
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet SS
Chevrolet Volt
Dodge Viper
Fiat 500
Fiat 500L
Fiat 500X
Ford C-Max
Hyundai Accent
Hyundai Ioniq
Infiniti QX30
Jaguar F-Type
Jeep Cherokee
Jeep Compass
Jeep Renegade
Kia Forte
Kia Niro
Kia Rio
Kia Soul
Mazda MX-5 Miata
Mercedes-Benz B-Class
Mercedes-Benz C-Class
Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class
Mercedes-Benz E-Class
Mercedes-Benz GLA-Class
Mercedes-Benz S-Class
Mercedes-Benz SL-Class
Mini Cooper Countryman
Mitsubishi i-MiEV
Nissan GT-R
Nissan Leaf
Porsche 718 Cayman
Porsche 911 Carrera
Porsche Panamera
Smart ForTwo
Tesla Model S
Tesla Model X

CAT INTERCEPTOR fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Apr 16, 2023

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Manufacturers claim it's to aid MPG yet it makes a tiny amount of difference. They will of course sell you a full size spare for several hundred dollars :v:

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Some of these I understand, theyd take too much space, or ride too low/brakes too big for a space saver to work (Like the Viper. Lmao where will you put it).

But there are full size cars and crossovers on that list, and what is a C-max doing without a spare? it has a lot of space.

Tho the Model X is far and away the largest car in that list.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Olympic Mathlete posted:

Manufacturers claim it's to aid MPG yet it makes a tiny amount of difference. They will of course sell you a full size spare for several hundred dollars :v:

On our Hyundai, the full-size spare wheel well is there, but it's mostly empty with just a tiny toolkit and a can of fix-a-flat in there.

I guess it works as additional secret storage space, but I'd rather have a proper spare wheel.

The Peugeot had a full-size matching OEM alloy spare wheel, which I have to admit was kinda baller.

KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Apr 16, 2023

Ether Frenzy
Dec 22, 2006




Nap Ghost
I've been driving cars for 30+ years with many hundreds of thousands of miles on my personal odometer across a variety of cars and a variety of cities and have had a flat in the wild about twice (both in the city, with a cell phone), and zero times with my parents who drove all over the earth in the 70's and 80's because Road Trips. Spare tires just let terrible car owners drive around for months at a time on bald underinflated clown poo poo that's meant for 30mph max.

That being said, Teslas suck rear end and defending their idiot CEO and their poo poo designs is the incelest poo poo you can do without shooting up a case of Bud Light

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
I have had to put a spare on I think four times in 25 years of driving, they were all from road debris in fairly new tires.

Last one was a few years ago. Late at night I hit something large on the highway that stuck out of tire far enough that scraped up the inside of the wheelwell. I shed it before I pulled over so I don’t know what it was. The tire was torn up enough that I could see the belts.

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter
I have used a few spares and also live in the part of the world where you might drive hundreds of miles from a service shop, and you may be driving on a day they're closed anyway. It's also not an area you'd drive many of those cars without a backup plan anyway.

I guess what I'm saying is new cars may not have spares and I may choose a vehicle based on that as a go/no go criteria. It's probably fine overall. If we lived in the United States of the 1950s I could imagine full size matching spares as a law, not so much in modern era.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Ether Frenzy posted:

I've been driving cars for 30+ years with many hundreds of thousands of miles on my personal odometer across a variety of cars and a variety of cities and have had a flat in the wild about twice (both in the city, with a cell phone), and zero times with my parents who drove all over the earth in the 70's and 80's because Road Trips. Spare tires just let terrible car owners drive around for months at a time on bald underinflated clown poo poo that's meant for 30mph max.

That being said, Teslas suck rear end and defending their idiot CEO and their poo poo designs is the incelest poo poo you can do without shooting up a case of Bud Light

Teslas poo poo designs are functionally superior to everyone else’s except for, maybe, six figure German EVs or arguably Hyundais that are 5+ year newer designs.

Eg Ford had a decade to come up with the Mach e and compared to the Y it has worse efficiency, charging, acceleration, top speed, comfort, infotainment, HVAC, and practically everything else. The only reason it ties on range has by having a 15% bigger battery which isn’t much of a consolation when you’re sitting at a lovely EA station charging at 60 kW.

Ether Frenzy
Dec 22, 2006




Nap Ghost
No, my 2008 BMW is built better, is more reliable, has no touchscreens, can fill up anywhere, and has a round steering wheel. Also doesn't bear the embarrassment of driving a Tesla in public.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Ether Frenzy posted:

No, my 2008 BMW is built better, is more reliable, has no touchscreens, can fill up anywhere, and has a round steering wheel. Also doesn't bear the embarrassment of driving a Tesla in public.

My Tesla is more reliable, goes 0-60 in 3.1 and gets the equivalent of 140 mpg, can fill up in my garage (and also anywhere) and also has a round steering wheel and Elon is a piece of poo poo but I don’t spend all day thinking about him like you do.

Ether Frenzy
Dec 22, 2006




Nap Ghost
Lot of use cases where 3.1 0-60 times are necessary? Mine does 4.4ish and that's faster than 90% of the cars on the road and I don't actually measure my worth based on that because, lmao it's the road

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Its not necessary. It’s fun.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
My wife doesn't even drive and she's ruled out us ever buying a Tesla solely based on Elon's social media.

Also based on the various non-Tesla forums I peruse, large numbers of people don't like Teslas as cars but have one only because of the Supercharger network. So chalk it up to infrastructure fail in the US.

Ether Frenzy
Dec 22, 2006




Nap Ghost

bird with big dick posted:

Its not necessary. It’s fun.

Kind of how I feel when I have the roar of the intake and exhaust of a naturally aspirated S65 V8 as a soundtrack, tbh! Fast cars are definitely fun, glad you enjoy your car's performance. No taking away from the sheer accel of 4w electric motors in even the 3 series. The concept is great and the result is amusingly a hoot much like the initial acceleration in the Harry Potter broomride at Universal. I still preferred that space being used to hear the world's greatest bands when it was set up to be Universal/Gibson Amphitheater.

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Someone made a list even!

https://motorandwheels.com/do-all-c...%207%20BMW%20X3

https://www.sparkyexpress.ca/blogs/autoverse/a-list-of-cars-without-no-spare-wheel

JFC its much larger than I imagined......



Acura NSX
Audi R8
Audi TT
BMW 2 Series
BMW 3 Series
BMW 4 Series
BMW 6 Series
BMW i3
BMW i8
BMW X3
BMW X4
Cadillac ATS
Cadillac CTS
Chevrolet Bolt EV
Chevrolet Camaro
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet SS
Chevrolet Volt
Dodge Viper
Fiat 500
Fiat 500L
Fiat 500X
Ford C-Max
Hyundai Accent
Hyundai Ioniq
Infiniti QX30
Jaguar F-Type
Jeep Cherokee
Jeep Compass
Jeep Renegade
Kia Forte
Kia Niro
Kia Rio
Kia Soul
Mazda MX-5 Miata
Mercedes-Benz B-Class
Mercedes-Benz C-Class
Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class
Mercedes-Benz E-Class
Mercedes-Benz GLA-Class
Mercedes-Benz S-Class
Mercedes-Benz SL-Class
Mini Cooper Countryman
Mitsubishi i-MiEV
Nissan GT-R
Nissan Leaf
Porsche 718 Cayman
Porsche 911 Carrera
Porsche Panamera
Smart ForTwo
Tesla Model S
Tesla Model X

Add Alfa Romeo to that list. No spare (and no room for one unless you want 75% of your trunk taken up by a spare tire), I just keep a sealant/inflation kit in the trunk and hope for the best.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Newest gen brz has room for a space saver but comes with pump and goo for the us market.

Large Testicles
Jun 1, 2020

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bird with big dick posted:

Elon is a piece of poo poo but I don’t spend all day thinking about him like you do.

He makes it very difficult to go throughout the day without hearing some dumb poo poo from his head.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Manufacturers claim it's to aid MPG yet it makes a tiny amount of difference. They will of course sell you a full size spare for several hundred dollars :v:

This is a direct result of the OE looking at the fleet average fuel economy instead of a realistic appraisal of individual vehicle economy. If you’re in product engineering and you have to get 200lbs out of the car to make your CAFE target, removing the spare, jack, and the hold-down hardware for all of it gets you a big chunk of the way there. It’s low-hanging fruit for weight savings.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Large Testicles posted:

He makes it very difficult to go throughout the day without hearing some dumb poo poo from his head.

being one of the richest men in the world and owning a social media website and also being a huge piggy for attention makes him obnoxiously visible
whodve thought

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Rigged Death Trap posted:

being one of the richest men in the world and owning a social media website and also being a huge piggy for attention makes him obnoxiously visible
whodve thought

The first one only enables his bad behavior. Most rich people don't want this type of negative attention and to consistently looks like childish bigoted fools publicly.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


None of my cars have a spare, but all of them have the excuse that they aren't really supposed to be practical cars and either don't have the space or want the weight savings for track use (okay - except my Focus RS, which uses that space for a subwoofer for... reasons). Some of the cars on that list are loving stupid though.

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Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Spares only work well if you have enough air in them ask me how I know :v:

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