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Hundlaser posted:I think the topic of dehumanizing language is pretty interesting. Obviously there's a lot of hate among Ukrainians for what the Russians have done to their country, and some of the language you see getting thrown around comes from that hate. But I think there's something else as well. I work on an ambulance and we definitely dehumanize the people we work on. Not because you hate your patient of course, but because it's impossible to work efficiently if you see the lump of bone and flesh in front of you as somebody's kid or parent. Same deal I think with soldiers you see casually referring to Russian soldiers as orcs, even more so since your job is to kill the object of your work, rather than help them. Building up a dehumanizing framework is the only way to stay sane in some situations I reckon. Important to keep in mind methinks - I do what I can to support the Ukrainian armed forces in their job of killing the Russian soldiers occupying their country, and it certainly makes it easier for me to not think of them as the children of parents. It's bullshit internet poster decorum because the same people going about this will have no problems with "all cops are pigs" or whatever Not to say they are not but obviously insulting murderous invaders and authority figures is natural and human, we're all pretending we're decorum poisoned here
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Apr 18, 2023 12:29
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Somaen posted:It's bullshit internet poster decorum because the same people going about this will have no problems with "all cops are pigs" or whatever Cops are not an ethnicity. It's a job. A bad job.
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Apr 18, 2023 12:35
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CommieGIR posted:Cops are not an ethnicity. It's a job. A bad job. Soldier of the russian federation is not an ethnicity either US police represent and protect the US state and all the systematic racism that it has inherent to it, it's essentially a white power org. I don't care about the pretend decorum, but the hipocrisy is funny Death to landlords, but the guy he sends to shoot you is very human
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Apr 18, 2023 12:38
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Somaen posted:
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Apr 18, 2023 12:41
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Eh, forums drama is vapid bullshit. Point is that I reckon there are some surprisingly legitimate reasons for adopting a dehumanizing mental framework as a means to do your job, given that the ends are just. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 18, 2023 12:55
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Hundlaser posted:Eh, forums drama is vapid bullshit. Point is that I reckon there are some surprisingly legitimate reasons for adopting a dehumanizing mental framework as a means to do your job, given that the ends are just. Yo, what the gently caress?
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Apr 18, 2023 12:59
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As far as I'm aware, the term "orc" didn't come into use until the invasion and explicitly refers to soldiers, not people of a given ethnicity. Also, this particular conversation about dehumanizing popping up in a thread where Monkey Putin gets posted fairly frequently is pretty rich.
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Apr 18, 2023 13:03
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Borscht posted:Yo, what the gently caress? You disagree? Should I be considering the patient I'm doing CPR on as a human being, instead of the object upon which I'm executing a clinical algorithm designed to maximize the chance of saving their life?
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Apr 18, 2023 13:03
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Hundlaser posted:You disagree? Should I be considering the patient I'm doing CPR on as a human being, instead of the object upon which I'm executing a clinical algorithm designed to maximize the chance of saving Thier life? It sounds like you're defending inhuman attitudes that police or soldiers take to protect their psyches while abusing humanity because the ends justify the means.
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Apr 18, 2023 13:05
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everyone knows the first step to proper CPR technique is to pretend your patient is a fish
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Apr 18, 2023 13:05
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The best argument for avoiding the usage is to not have to deal with the flood of concern trolls who the admins are patently unable to handle.
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Apr 18, 2023 13:13
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Borscht posted:It sounds like you're defending inhuman attitudes that police or soldiers take to protect their psyches while abusing humanity because the ends justify the means. It sounds like you're reading a lot into what I'm saying. Are Ukrainian soldiers generally "abusing humanity"?
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Apr 18, 2023 13:13
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Somaen posted:Soldier of the russian federation is not an ethnicity either I get it and between you and me I'm probably on your side. The problem is the implication is that all Russians are Orcs and the we are dehumanizing a race and that's not cricket. In this instance we're having a human guttural reaction to a loving rear end in a top hat (dehumanizing) monster(see previous note) killing a five year old. I hate that motherfucker (n) too. And I get why you or I or especially the Ukrainians call them Orcs. But the only positive power we have at the moment is to not risk brushing all Russians with the same slur. I get it. gently caress that oval office (n). But, we as a group have to make a decision and make sure our genuine anger doesn't cause needless harm. War breeds a lot of slang. That said, we (I'm assuming) aren't in the war. War dehumanizes people. Let's not, miles away on our couch also be dehumanized. It's all we have left. Also, gently caress the pigs. (note to mods please don't make my probe too long) [E: a lot of what was posted above is really valid too] RoyKeen fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Apr 18, 2023 13:14
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Kith posted:As far as I'm aware, the term "orc" didn't come into use until the invasion and explicitly refers to soldiers, not people of a given ethnicity. I remembered that I had seen Russia being called Mordor in Russian language tweets for years and wanted to check if anyone had researched it's origins. This article didn't answer the question, but seemed funny nonetheless: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/07/google-translates-russia-mordor-foreign-minister-ukrainian quote:Google has fixed an “automated” error which saw its online translating tool convert “Russian Federation” into “Mordor”.
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Apr 18, 2023 13:15
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Hundlaser posted:Eh, forums drama is vapid bullshit. Point is that I reckon there are some surprisingly legitimate reasons for adopting a dehumanizing mental framework as a means to do your job, given that the ends are just. Can you just stop and leave this thread
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Apr 18, 2023 13:23
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a podcast for cats posted:I remembered that I had seen Russia being called Mordor in Russian language tweets for years and wanted to check if anyone had researched it's origins. This article didn't answer the question, but seemed funny nonetheless: "sad little horse" is way funnier than it has any right to be.
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Apr 18, 2023 13:29
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E: actually I'm going to drop it.
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Apr 18, 2023 13:43
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 Guys, the effects of war and human suffering and the ways the human mind copes with it are actually a very interesting topic and I encourage you to start a thread about it here in GBS or fitting sub-forum of your choice if you want to continue talking about it. It is however not on topic for this thread; adjacent at best and I politely ask you to drop it.Thread rule #5 is currently non-negotiable. If you think that you can make some salient suggestions regarding this or any of the other thread rules, please feel free to PM them to me or one of the other IKs. I promise we will consider them and bring them up to the mods/admins if necessary. Thank you. 
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Apr 18, 2023 13:53
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RoyKeen posted:
I'm ethnically russian and the implication that all russians are potential gun wielding murderers slightly strange, but I accept that Americans are just weird as gently caress, plus Icept posted:The best argument for avoiding the usage is to not have to deal with the flood of concern trolls who the admins are patently unable to handle.
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Apr 18, 2023 13:59
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It seems that Putin's visit actually happened earlier https://twitter.com/meduza_en/status/1648285323464433664 meanwhile Zelenskyy https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1648311064109674500 a podcast for cats posted:I remembered that I had seen Russia being called Mordor in Russian language tweets for years and wanted to check if anyone had researched it's origins. This article didn't answer the question, but seemed funny nonetheless: Or it's something really simple like "Mordor famous from the pop culture is evil empire in the East, Russia is evil empire in the East" 
Dwesa fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Apr 18, 2023 14:05
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Hundlaser posted:I think the topic of dehumanizing language is pretty interesting. Obviously there's a lot of hate among Ukrainians for what the Russians have done to their country, and some of the language you see getting thrown around comes from that hate. But I think there's something else as well. I work on an ambulance and we definitely dehumanize the people we work on. Not because you hate your patient of course, but because it's impossible to work efficiently if you see the lump of bone and flesh in front of you as somebody's kid or parent. Same deal I think with soldiers you see casually referring to Russian soldiers as orcs, even more so since your job is to kill the object of your work, rather than help them. Building up a dehumanizing framework is the only way to stay sane in some situations I reckon. Important to keep in mind methinks - I do what I can to support the Ukrainian armed forces in their job of killing the Russian soldiers occupying their country, and it certainly makes it easier for me to not think of them as the children of parents. How do you know your materially contributing to killing russians? When your paying to write horse cum on the the side of a 155mm shell how do you know its blowing up a dageastani peasant? How often to do you think about dead russian soldiers a day that you need to make a mental coping mechanism dehumanizing them? Lastly you're not doing everything you could be to help the AFU, pull up . Sounds like you have medical experience they could use on the frontline (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 18, 2023 14:05
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Terminal autist posted:How do you know your materially contributing to killing russians? When your paying to write horse cum on the the side of a 155mm shell how do you know its blowing up a dageastani peasant? How often to do you think about dead russian soldiers a day that you need to make a mental coping mechanism dehumanizing them? Lastly you're not doing everything you could be to help the AFU, pull up . Sounds like you have medical experience they could use on the frontline *you're
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Apr 18, 2023 14:08
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Americans tarring other nationalities as being potential gun wielding murderers is pretty rich lol
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Apr 18, 2023 14:08
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Somaen posted:I'm ethnically russian and the implication that all russians are potential gun wielding murderers slightly strange, but I accept that Americans are just weird as gently caress, plus As an American am surly ignorant but I'm not sure how this is an American thing. I'm leaving the typo btw. E: To clarify I don't think that all Russians are "gun wielding murderers" nor as an American do I wield any firearms. And we shouldn't brandish each other as monsters. Though as an American I get why you would think I was. That said, I do get why someone would say something in anger and we can't all be immediately high and mighty. We can get any and be forceful or we can correct some bad behavior. RoyKeen fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Apr 18, 2023 14:10
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Yle continues their streak of doing quality journalism, this time by investigating how and why products made by Finnish companies are still being sold in Russian stores. Hint: it's not because those companies are secretly selling to Russia. Journalists: Sakari Nuuttila and Heikki Heiskanen Link: https://yle.fi/a/74-20026784 Yle posted:CHOCOLATE AT WAR TIME
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Apr 18, 2023 14:12
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You're all weird
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Apr 18, 2023 14:13
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Finnish chocolate is not bought in Russia just because it's objectively better, but because of what it represents. I'm conflicted now. On one hand, I cannot recall the last time I actually had Fazer chocolate and thought it was good, but, on the other, I've never knowingly had Russian chocolate.
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Apr 18, 2023 14:22
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Honestly, the biggest surprise there is that Orkla has taken their slow and steady project to own every major food brand outside Norway now.
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Apr 18, 2023 14:24
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Wat is bad! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 18, 2023 14:26
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Potrzebie posted:Step one: upend Ukrainian legal tradition 
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Apr 18, 2023 14:27
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KirbyKhan posted:Wat is bad! nobody's allowed to talk poo poo about angkor wat in this thread
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Apr 18, 2023 14:28
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KirbyKhan posted:Wat is bad! 
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Apr 18, 2023 14:28
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Computer viking posted:Honestly, the biggest surprise there is that Orkla has taken their slow and steady project to own every major food brand outside Norway now. They actually did that and, on their way to or from Finland ruined Laima, which was an universally beloved legacy brand of Latvian chocolate. Maybe I've internalised marketing horseshit, but allegedly, due to some weird Soviet trade shenanigans they had direct access to cocoa bean producers in West Africa and were buying beans and making their own cacao paste, rather than buying it in commodity markets. This is a step that Orkla cut out after the acquisition. a podcast for cats fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Apr 18, 2023 14:30
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RoyKeen posted:As an American am surly ignorant but I'm not sure how this is an American thing. I'm leaving the typo btw. The American thing is the arcane political correctness rules, where you can't insult invading soldiers, what if someone reads that as insulting an ethnicity, instead of the function of the group of people with guns? I stumble upon some nasty ukrainian-russian bickering sometimes and it is another level of insults with historical grievances, so the American take on it of trying to ban mean words is very innocent by comparison
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Apr 18, 2023 14:33
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KirbyKhan posted:Wat is bad! Baby don't hurt me
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Apr 18, 2023 14:39
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Karate Bastard posted:Baby don't hurt me No more.
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Apr 18, 2023 14:43
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Rad dads are sad that the news is: war bad
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Apr 18, 2023 14:46
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Tai posted:You're all weird It was another day on the forums, everyone was weird, mom won't buy me a new hat.
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Apr 18, 2023 14:48
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Somaen posted:The American thing is the arcane political correctness rules, where you can't insult invading soldiers, what if someone reads that as insulting an ethnicity, instead of the function of the group of people with guns? I stumble upon some nasty ukrainian-russian bickering sometimes and it is another level of insults with historical grievances, so the American take on it of trying to ban mean words is very innocent by comparison I see. I think the risk is not to have such slurs paint all Russians and generally not to be a dick. I get the anger. I really do. And Americans are more than adept at slurs. That said, all we generally have as non soldiers on the side of 'right' is to not succumb to slurs. I'm not going to chide or tsk a Ukrainian soldier or any Ukrainian for that matter for using whatever words against their invaders. But for the rest of us we have the chance to not be offensive. "Orcs" is relatively tame. I don't really care. No one really cares if we're honest. But there is a line that right thinking individuals take and not using a slur is on the right side of the line. The Russian aggressors and invaders have been monstrous. We all want to hurt them but slurs don't help. If anything they accept is and act like monsters anyway. If we say they're Orcs then they can be comfortable being orcs. I dunno. I'm day drunk so I'mma bow out. That said, calling war criminals 'human' is the most hurtful thing you can say. Because they're just like you and went n a path that led to horrors. If I had to kill someone invading my country I'd be totally fine with calling them Orcs because it makes the killing easy. And that's forgivable. None of us are on any frontline though.
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Apr 18, 2023 14:58
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Somaen posted:It's bullshit internet poster decorum because the same people going about this will have no problems with "all cops are pigs" or whatever At the end of the day basically any other insult for them works other than one that arguably is aimed at an ethnicity. I'm not gonna pearl clutch over anyone using it, but I prefer when there aren't stupid interforum slapfights going on
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