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Kith posted:Do you happen to have a source comparing train costs to airline costs? the reason it costs more for one day delivery shipping isn't just to get more money out of you, air is more expensive. capital costs and operating costs are both higher. like a diesel locomotive can cost up to two million, meanwhile a new 737 is almost 90 million. environmental damage from flying is far worse too so if we had taxes to cover those externalities air shipping would be even more expensive.
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kronix posted:In theory, yes. In practice we don’t have a ton of real-world experience running electric trucks. Tesla routinely finds themselves at the bottom of consumer reports reliability rankings and electric cars in general tend to be less reliable. Might want to check on how much of that is literally just Teslas being really lovely products. Also 'the economics' has demonstrably done the opposite of that for decades.
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As I understand it, EVs or vehicles that generate electricity to move like fuel cell vehicles, require less mechanical parts which * in theory * means less repair cost.
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Based on the data we have now, personal transportation electric vehicles do have lower overall costs over the life of the vehicle. They just have very small/no periodic costs 95% of the time and occasionally one very big up-front cost if something happens to the engine. EV freight should be similar in theory, but we don't have a ton of long-term data for that. The assumption is that EV battery technology will continue to get more efficient and smaller over time, which will make the gap even larger. Modern EV batteries are significantly more efficient and powerful (but, also significantly heavier) than EV and hybrid engines from early the early 2000's when they first started hitting mass market. Edit: Should be noted that both EV personal transportation and EV freight have significantly lower emissions overall (even when factoring in mining and manufacturing). So, even if EV freight has unpredicted issues and isn't necessarily significantly cheaper to maintain over the life of the vehicle, there is still a value in switching from ICE engines. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Solid state batteries are pretty exciting on the EV front. Supposedly they're close to production, are far safer than lithium ion, and have higher energy density. Article from late 2022.
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Most of the reliability issues with Teslas are the terrible build quality (panels not aligning, doors rattling, etc) and nothing to do with the electric drivetrain. It’s important not to conflate normal car things breaking with the type of drive a vehicle has. In a similar vein, most repairs cost the same amount whether you are in an ICEV or BEV. Your panel replacement doesn’t care if there’s a battery or an engine. It’s really only major accidents where structure of the battery pack gets damaged that costs a ton of money (usually resulting in a totalling of the vehicle). Finally, be weary of any stats that show electric vehicles are more expensive to repair on average compared to an average ICEV. Electric vehicles as a whole are much more modern than the internal combustion fleet simply due to production age. The average Tesla is under 2 years old due to their exponential ramp, compared to ICE which is 12 years. This means that on average they have a lot more expensive features like ultrasonic sensors and 360 cameras that cost more money to replace than the 2009 Camry that’s been on the road for a decade and a half. None of that has to do with the drivetrain rather it’s all about the features associated with new vehicles.
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The debt ceiling limit is approaching sometime in June. McCarthy says that Biden is still refusing to negotiate with him and he has not heard from the White House at all since their first meeting after he was sworn in as speaker. https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1647967265483096064 Previous reporting about his plans appears to be correct and McCarthy is trying to pass a bill to lift the debt ceiling that includes all the House Republican spending priorities and does not increase the national debt according to the CBO. This way, he feels he will have a stronger hand because he can claim that the White House is the one not raising debt through inaction and not House Republicans. https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1648317941782380545 https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1648318339146448898 https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1648320411807916033 This is unlikely to get any Democratic support in the House and some Republicans are threatening to not vote for it unless they include additional spending cuts. McCarthy says he will get a package passed and his plan is to pass it over and over in the House to give the Senate and White House something to sign to raise the debt ceiling and blame them if the debt ceiling isn't raised. Neither McCarthy nor Biden have any public plans about what to do beyond "No negotiation on the debt ceiling" from Biden and "Pass a Republican plan over and over without any amendments" for McCarthy. There are still no plans for the White House to meet with McCarthy and negotiate, but Joe Manchin and one or two other Senate Democrats have said that Biden should try to find a way to get a debt ceiling increase passed before it gets down to the deadline and becomes a crisis.
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Didn't all of this start because the Republicans were demanding that Biden make the cuts they wanted, without actually saying what they wanted cut and when explicitly asked what cuts they wanted, said the equivilant of "That's for us to know and you to find out (by making random cuts)"?
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So... we should all be imitating that "Michael Jackson eating popcorn" gif then? Because this sounds like a clusterfuck.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yes, but that didn't work. That is why McCarthy is doing this and also having trouble trying to put a bill together for Republicans to pass. This is all fun from a lol-republicans standpoint but I am getting kind of nervous regarding the actual debt ceiling.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Might want to check on how much of that is literally just Teslas being really lovely products. Tesla makes poo poo products so I won't disagree but as a whole EVs as a whole have pretty middling reliability and interestingly enough, EV SUVs are the least reliable car category Consumer Reports tracks whereas compact hybrids lead all other cars in reliability. https://data.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Consumer-Reports-Insights-for-More-Reliable-Electric-Vehicles-Jan-2022.pdf shoeberto posted:Solid state batteries are pretty exciting on the EV front. Supposedly they're close to production, are far safer than lithium ion, and have higher energy density. Article from late 2022. Solid state batteries are the real deal but they've been "just around the corner" for about 5 years now. One of the coolest parts of solid state batteries that doesn't get as much attention is their potential to be part of the load bearing structure of a vehicle instead of just dead weight. This could potentially create much lighter electric vehicles.
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Even ICEs have made huge gains in efficiency and reliability in this century and it’s a 100+ year old technology. EVs are nowhere near the quality they will be in 10-15 years.
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Randalor posted:So... we should all be imitating that "Michael Jackson eating popcorn" gif then? Because this sounds like a clusterfuck. Nobody really knows. The Republicans have folded every time since 2011. So, it seems likely that they will fold again. But, that isn't set in stone. It's not in anyone's interest to tank the U.S. dollar, treasury bonds, and the global economy. But, the major thing is that nobody wants to get blamed for it and wants to get a win. So, they are probably going to play chicken right up until the very end. That is not great because even if you don't want it to happen, playing chicken can sometimes result in someone holding out too long and crashing. Based on recent history, I would guess that the Republicans cave, but make some kind of face-saving maneuver (promising to negotiate harder on the budget or temporarily lifting the debt ceiling until the end of the year so they can negotiate the budget and debt ceiling at the same time, get some budget cuts, and then claim victory while never technically folding on the debt ceiling) to not actually officially cave.
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We're in higher danger than ever of that crash, Imo. McCarthy clearly does not have control of his party, and repeated rounds of purges may have finally put an end to Republicans willing to cross the aisle on these votes. Plus, the mess in Florida with DeSantis and Disney shows how loose the control of the corporate paymasters has become.
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kronix posted:Tesla makes poo poo products so I won't disagree but as a whole EVs as a whole have pretty middling reliability and interestingly enough, EV SUVs are the least reliable car category Consumer Reports tracks whereas compact hybrids lead all other cars in reliability. Please read the article you linked because it does not say what you think it says. On page 3: quote:Electric SUVs are the least reliable. The highest problem areas in EVs often have no connection to the drivetrain. Issues are most commonly found in other components: In-car Electronics, Noises & Leaks, Power Equipment, Climate System, Body Hardware, Drive System, and Paint & Trim. There is a ton of misinformation about EVs due to the strong vested interests against electrification. I’m not saying you are purposefully spreading misinformation but this is a common anti-EV talking point that actually has nothing to do with EVs inherently and has everything to do with Tesla being a lovely manufacturer.
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Mooseontheloose posted:It should also be noted that if we had a functional government, the Democrats in the senate would take the house bill say, here is the compromise and then hash out an agreement. But one party is insistent that they should only get their way no questions asks. There is an additional spanner in the works here- all spending must be passed by the House before the Senate. So they have to get enough ducks in a row to pass *something* before the Senate can have its say I agree that the best thing for the Senate to do is to take whatever the House bill ends up being, strip out everything that isn't raising the debt ceiling, and send it back
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The US has more rail than the entire EU, and fewer derailments. It's all freight. What are you arguing besides "drat I'd love to pay lots more than what airlines charge to spend days gazin at the scenery between Boston and Seattle?" I was referring to freight, it could be handled a lot better than it is but wouldn't be as profitable. Increase intermodal and then use trucks for the last couple miles. This would all require restoring infrastructure or improving what's there so it is unlikely to happen. If you want to talk passenger rail it would be great for replacing flights like ORD to MKE or connecting PHL to ABE to MDT to PIT for example.
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Freight rail is economically and environmentally preferable in pretty much 100% of situations - it’s 3-4 times more efficient than trucking, so even with the reduced costs that come from charging vs. filling trucks it’s likely rail will still come out ahead. And electric freight locomotives are definitely on the way (some have already been deployed.) Unfortunately, we built a poo poo ton of poo poo in places that tracks don’t go and will never go.
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cat botherer posted:https://twitter.com/business/status/1648337856522248194 Didn't they already drag the Southwest CEO in front of Congress over this? Probably ruined that guy's morning as much as anyone trying to catch a flight. TheDeadlyShoe posted:We're in higher danger than ever of that crash, Imo. McCarthy clearly does not have control of his party, and repeated rounds of purges may have finally put an end to Republicans willing to cross the aisle on these votes. Plus, the mess in Florida with DeSantis and Disney shows how loose the control of the corporate paymasters has become. Yeah we are going to get a debt ceiling crisis no doubt. Aside from this, McCarthy is a moron and probably couldn't govern well even if the House were not rotted from the inside out with fascists.
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A big wrinkle in the debt ceiling situation is that Boehner and Ryan were sane enough and competent enough to, more or less, end their political careers in the process of wrangling just enough of the far right into the business of the country operating. Both of those terrible, terrible guys are ethical paragons, giants of intellect and masterful tactical leaders in comparison to Kevin.
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https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1648316722418442243 glad american government can work through the night to get children back into factories but can't seem to do anything when it comes to gun violence (I understand it's a difference in political will) e: Does Iowa have a separate min wage for minors/based on age?
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Oxyclean posted:https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1648316722418442243 So 16 year old cocktail waitresses working until last call on weekends? What could possibly go wrong
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Oxyclean posted:https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1648316722418442243 Businesses got nervous because there were starting to be child labor prosecutions for jobs where they couldn't/didn't want to find anybody else.
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Oxyclean posted:e: Does Iowa have a separate min wage for minors/based on age? Name Change posted:Businesses got nervous because there were starting to be child labor prosecutions for jobs where they couldn't/didn't want to find anybody else.
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Name Change posted:Didn't they already drag the Southwest CEO in front of Congress over this? Probably ruined that guy's morning as much as anyone trying to catch a flight.
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cat botherer posted:Iowa's minimum wage defaults to the shockingly low $7.25 federal minimum wage - so at least they can't go below that AFAIK. Some quick digging said it was restaurant lobbyists because that workforce got obliterated during covid (a lot died, a lot just said gently caress it and found something better)
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kronix posted:I think this is the kind of thing that makes people in middle America hate democrats. Trucking is one of the few occupations that allows someone to make a middle class living with almost no education. I have a soft spot for folks that drive trucks as when I was a kid my dad was a diesel mechanic who ultimately ended up running his own trucking company and is now retired. I’d like to add to this by pointing out that truck driving isn’t just a career for the uneducated. It also acts as a lifeboat for people who have been pushed out of other fields by globalization and technological change. I know a few truck drivers who started in middle age. One lost the family farm in a divorce, another had a big tomato greenhouse business that couldn’t compete with cheaper imports, another is a former graphic designer. Going after trucking is attacking these people in their last refuge. Truckers have previous negative experience with government mandated technology. DEF systems (urea) have been very unreliable, to the point where it created a market for rebuilt older trucks.
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cat botherer posted:Iowa's minimum wage defaults to the shockingly low $7.25 federal minimum wage - so at least they can't go below that AFAIK. Got it in one. https://www.startribune.com/worthington-manager-allegedly-solicited-fake-ids-to-hire-minors-to-clean-minnesota-slaughterhouses/600226269/ - charges https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/feb/17/underage-child-labor-working-slaughterhouse-investigation - charges https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-urges-meat-companies-ensure-child-labor-98542179 - Biden admin says stop doing illegal child labor, so they just make it legal https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/27/opinion/child-labor-laws.html -nyt editorial
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Nothing quite like a bunch of links about meat processing to strengthen my decision to stop buying meat.Inferior Third Season posted:Turns out, CEOs getting dragged in front of Congress don't actually have much effect on the timeline of implementing overdue technical upgrades that need to be integrated into live, antiquated systems which are already overloaded. Who knew? Yeah I've basically tuned out all hearings and scathing op-eds and whatever, if nothing comes of them then what good were they, and if something good does come of them then that's the point where my interest is piqued. If I wanted to spend my day watching rich, powerful people sniping at each other before bemoaning my rent as I try to get half as much rest as I need for the rear end kickings of the next day I'd play 2021's GOTY Wrestling Empire
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Oxyclean posted:https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1648316722418442243 Sending the kids to work before being able to claim government help is going to be the next step.
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Epic High Five posted:Nothing quite like a bunch of links about meat processing to strengthen my decision to stop buying meat. It's great that this has been an issue since will over 100 years ago but nobody does poo poo about it.
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