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Silly Burrito posted:That is some grade A BS. I get why Fox would settle but drat I wanted them to lose this case. Doesn't it take 2 to tango with this? I mean, yeah, Fox offered to settle, but Dominion must have agreed to it.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Dominion attorneys saying it was a $785 million settlement. Half the money and Fox doesn't have to have more of their dirty laundry aired, sounds like an amazing deal that Dominion gave them, especially with so much damning evidence.
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Lawsuits are always a coin flip, juries be crazy, and the trial record is still out there. We also aren't going to necessarily know all the settlement details, but Dominion could have stipulations in there regarding things other than money. Either way. That's a big hit to Fox.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The most famous recent examples were Ted Kennedy, John McCain, Robert Byrd, Thad Cochran, and Strom Thurmond.
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the_steve posted:Doesn't it take 2 to tango with this? It’s a fair point. I’m just disappointed.
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Mellow Seas posted:Freight rail is economically and environmentally preferable in pretty much 100% of situations - it’s 3-4 times more efficient than trucking, so even with the reduced costs that come from charging vs. filling trucks it’s likely rail will still come out ahead. And electric freight locomotives are definitely on the way (some have already been deployed.) That’s what intermodal is for, you dray from the rail hub. The real problem is business extremely prefer direct door to door truck shipments.
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Scipiotik posted:Lawsuits are always a coin flip, juries be crazy, and the trial record is still out there. We also aren't going to necessarily know all the settlement details, but Dominion could have stipulations in there regarding things other than money. Either way. That's a big hit to Fox. But there's been no news from the Smartmatic side, right? Since all of this discovery was coming up in the case from Dominion, does any of that also apply to the Smartmatic case, or is that not something that they can legally use/access?
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Scipiotik posted:Lawsuits are always a coin flip, juries be crazy, and the trial record is still out there. We also aren't going to necessarily know all the settlement details, but Dominion could have stipulations in there regarding things other than money. Either way. That's a big hit to Fox. Yeah, this is an important point to remember. The outcome and punishment is certainly well short of what we were all hoping for, but the fact of the matter is that Dominion won, Fox News lost, and it's now legally on record that they are a corporation that knowingly and purposefully lies in their reporting. e: it is a massive bummer that the settlement amount is like half of what Dominion was seeking. Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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I'm definitely HOPING there are other stipulations, but two things, paraphrased from people who know more about law than me. The 1.6b initial ask was based on incorrect math (double-dipping by like 600m from two overlapping award categories), and Dominion makes about 20m a year. Combine those with "libel cases are hard" and Fox more or less accepting the facts of the case and this is a pretty unequivocal win for Dominion.
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We also got an admission that Rupert Murdoch is still in control of Fox News when he publicly claims not to be, which may be relevant for future litigation
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Inferior Third Season posted:But did any of their absences result in something like the Senate being completely unable to approve judges while they were out? Nobody gives a poo poo if Senators are out sick for extended periods, if it makes no tangible difference whether they are there or not. Byrd and Kennedy were both part of the insane bullshit super majority that wasn't when Obama came in.
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Oh so Fox News will now be viewed as disreputable by anybody who doesn't instead just claim the fact that they're still operating the same as always means they won the court case, it's just a huge W for Fox News of the dodged bullet type for me. If they didn't consider a settlement a huge win they wouldn't have proposed it. Extremely disappointing that all the most explicit "I did this crime and here's why, and here's me admitting it was a crime I did" evidence and admissions in the world still couldn't rise above the level of a fine, is this the best promise of justice that can be offered by the system? A sad sort of admission that you can do whatever so long as you're rich enough?
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Epic High Five posted:Oh so Fox News will now be viewed as disreputable by anybody who doesn't instead just claim the fact that they're still operating the same as always means they won the court case, it's just a huge W for Fox News of the dodged bullet type for me. If they didn't consider a settlement a huge win they wouldn't have proposed it. Extremely disappointing that all the most explicit "I did this crime and here's why, and here's me admitting it was a crime I did" evidence and admissions in the world still couldn't rise above the level of a fine, is this the best promise of justice that can be offered by the system? A sad sort of admission that you can do whatever so long as you're rich enough? USA USA
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Yeah lol, this was win win for both tbh, the financial poo poo isn't going to hurt Fox in the slightest, and no one who still watches Fox will believe or care about the on-air apologies. This was the best chance for real skeletons to be exposed and perhaps lead to actual criminal wrongdoing that could have resulted in much larger consequences for Fox. An unequivocal loss for everyone not Dominion or Fox News.
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Epic High Five posted:Oh so Fox News will now be viewed as disreputable by anybody who doesn't instead just claim the fact that they're still operating the same as always means they won the court case, it's just a huge W for Fox News of the dodged bullet type for me. If they didn't consider a settlement a huge win they wouldn't have proposed it. Extremely disappointing that all the most explicit "I did this crime and here's why, and here's me admitting it was a crime I did" evidence and admissions in the world still couldn't rise above the level of a fine, is this the best promise of justice that can be offered by the system? A sad sort of admission that you can do whatever so long as you're rich enough? It's two companies who assessed their odds of winning at trial and multiplied that by the size of settlement divided by their EBITDA and arrived at a conclusion. It doesn't have to be a "big win" for either side
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Epic High Five posted:Oh so Fox News will now be viewed as disreputable by anybody who doesn't instead just claim the fact that they're still operating the same as always means they won the court case, it's just a huge W for Fox News of the dodged bullet type for me. If they didn't consider a settlement a huge win they wouldn't have proposed it. Extremely disappointing that all the most explicit "I did this crime and here's why, and here's me admitting it was a crime I did" evidence and admissions in the world still couldn't rise above the level of a fine, is this the best promise of justice that can be offered by the system? A sad sort of admission that you can do whatever so long as you're rich enough? All the possible losses for Fox were going to be financial regardless. Dominion should have taken the loss in legal fees and potential for a reduced judgement as a donation for the public good. But, they aren't there to embarrass Fox News. It makes sense that they would take the 100% guaranteed 3/4 of a billion dollars. Especially since the company usually makes about $20 million per year. This is basically 40 years of revenue for them.
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There was some implication from the Dominion lawyers that there are more cases forthcoming. I believe they are still suing some individual people like Rudy?
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Isn't it a common tactic to sue for damages that are astronomically high so that the offender is more likely to just settle?
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To use an extremely tired analogy, this is like instead of the Death Star getting blown up, Darth Vader just gets shot and the movie ends. Like yes, great, the "good guys" won, but I wanted huge explosions of legal horseshit, damnit!  Beastie posted:Isn't it a common tactic to sue for damages that are astronomically high so that the offender is more likely to just settle? This generally works against smaller targets that cannot afford and/or do not have legal representation. You see it a lot in copyright troll poo poo.
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Silly Burrito posted:It’s a fair point. I’m just disappointed. Same, was hoping it would have shined more light on their business practices. They deserve much worse.
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:Yeah, this is an important point to remember. The outcome and punishment is certainly well short of what we were all hoping for, but the fact of the matter is that Dominion won, Fox News lost, and it's now legally on record that they are a corporation that knowingly and purposefully lies in their reporting. This isn't actually the first lawsuit that found that, I thought
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:Yeah, this is an important point to remember. The outcome and punishment is certainly well short of what we were all hoping for, but the fact of the matter is that Dominion won, Fox News lost, and it's now legally on record that they are a corporation that knowingly and purposefully lies in their reporting. Could the discovery of evidence in this case to the effect that everyone involved knew all along there were no voting issues be used in a case for wire fraud charges related to fundraising?
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A bunch of additional charges for US and Russian propaganda agents today. Four were leaders of a pretty fringe political separatist party, the African People’s Socialist Party, which was tied up in the same network previously swept up in charges against Aleksandr Ionov a few months ago. As a recap, Ionov recruited various left and right wing fringe parties to promote secession, eventually bringing their leaders to Russia do things like record propaganda messages which were deployed in the DPR. Several quasi-independent entities were set up for this purpose, though the whole thing was remarkably overt. More interesting and novel are separate charges for Natalia Burlinova, head of an org called PICREADI or Public Initiative "Creative Diplomacy", which apparently was set up to do similar recruitment work in academia. Some googling says she was also involved with a few other similar orgs. As with Ionov, she was the public face of the organization and reported directly to an unnamed FSB officer who managed funding for the groups she runs. DOJ announcement with link to legal docs here: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-citizens-and-russian-intelligence-officers-charged-conspiring-use-us-citizens-illegal A quick glance at orgs affiliated with PICREADI Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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The chuds view is that "since fox settled it means they are now part of the deep state and in bed with dominion (sic)" 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:All the possible losses for Fox were going to be financial regardless. You can say that as an uninvolved party, and I agree with you, the best case scenario was for Fox to be raked over the coals even further, but given the settlement deal there is a big possibility that bc Dominion is beholden to their shareholders if they would have refused the deal that could have been actionable against them from said shareholders. Wonderful system we have, isn’t it?
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Epic High Five posted:Oh so Fox News will now be viewed as disreputable by anybody who doesn't instead just claim the fact that they're still operating the same as always means they won the court case, it's just a huge W for Fox News of the dodged bullet type for me. If they didn't consider a settlement a huge win they wouldn't have proposed it. Extremely disappointing that all the most explicit "I did this crime and here's why, and here's me admitting it was a crime I did" evidence and admissions in the world still couldn't rise above the level of a fine, is this the best promise of justice that can be offered by the system? A sad sort of admission that you can do whatever so long as you're rich enough? I think the key here is that it wasn't a crime in the criminal law sense, but a tort - this was a civil lawsuit, right? What outcome were you expecting from a civil lawsuit that doesn't in the end amount to "a fine"?
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Eletriarnation posted:I think the key here is that it wasn't a crime in the criminal law sense, but a tort - this was a civil lawsuit, right? What outcome were you expecting from a civil lawsuit that doesn't in the end amount to "a fine"? We were really hoping that we would get to witness Rupert, Tucker, Hannity, Ingrahm, etc to have to answer questions on the stand, under oath...
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Eletriarnation posted:I think the key here is that it wasn't a crime in the criminal law sense, but a tort - this was a civil lawsuit, right? What outcome were you expecting from a civil lawsuit that doesn't in the end amount to "a fine"? I wasnt expecting anything to happen to anybody except now some donor has to foot some operating expenses for awhile, maybe, but that doesnt mean I'm happy to be right
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PostNouveau posted:There seems to be a disconnect where the Senate Dems (a lot of whom are like 80 themselves, especially the leadership) are looking at this like it's just a temporary health thing that she'll be back from, when the reality seems to be that she's precipitously declined and even if they drag her back, she shouldn't be there. Based on all the reports, she should be getting a lot of treatment and not working. It's like elder abuse at this point. I mean there’s not really a lot of treatment options for dementia. I guess she could actually have a shingles outbreak, but all the meds you use to treat they are going to make her cognition worse. I really doubt that’s the issue here and her memory has just gotten to a point it can’t be ignored. I think overall it’s more that the elder leadership doesn’t want to set the precedent that they can be forced out over health concerns.
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FizFashizzle posted:I think overall it’s more that the elder leadership doesn’t want to set the precedent that they can be forced out over health concerns.
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Zamujasa posted:This generally works against smaller targets that cannot afford and/or do not have legal representation. You see it a lot in copyright troll poo poo. Yeah, it's an intimidation tactic that only really works on the legally naive. The number you initially choose to sue for is almost irrelevant, since the judge will just reduce it to whatever they feel is appropriate anyway. And possibly chide the lawyers a little for misusing it to grab headlines (which is what happened in this case).
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At least unlike Ginsburg, if Feinstein dies in office, her replacement can be appointed immediately and without Republican interference. So of course that's exactly what's not going to happen.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
This is literally the plot of a Star Trek episode where they go back in time to 2024. It's the catalyst for a massive anti-capitalist movement in America and eventually Earth as a whole. Of course, it was based on something that was kind of already happening so I guess it's not that weird. Unfortunately.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Trump's plan is to make homelessness illegal and give the homeless a choice of jail, a mental institution, or rehab. It also includes new programs to help homeless veterans. This would probably be the most ambitious anti-homelessness program in American history. I don't really take it at face value from a guy who was surrounded by racists and temporarily embarrassed neocons in office, will quickly run into severe financial and logistical problems, and if even halfway executed will drive prison overcrowding, but it is a plan. I imagine if it gets past infancy discussion stages it will just be Children of Men cages plopped down in "sanctuary cities." Name Change fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Apr 19, 2023 |
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Youremother posted:I wonder what they were afraid of the special master discovering that caused them to fold so hard. My guess is they don't want the extent they were involved with the Republican party and how intertwined they were ever becoming public or discoverable.
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Fister Roboto posted:At least unlike Ginsburg, if Feinstein dies in office, her replacement can be appointed immediately and without Republican interference. what do you think is going to happen?
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lobster shirt posted:what do you think is going to happen? Fienstein has found the holy grail, she will live forever now.
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It's worth noting that Fox isn't done with Dominion-related legal actions yet. They should have settled much sooner - leaving it so long and allowing so much info to come out sowed the seeds for further trouble. What kind of trouble? Lawsuits from pissed-off shareholders! Revealing that they purposely and knowingly promoted lies isn't good for the stock value, and that means shareholders have cause to sue them for this malfeasance and lack of oversight. https://www.salon.com/2023/04/12/fox-knew-shareholder-sues-rupert-murdoch-over-fox-news-stolen-claims/ quote:A Fox Corp. shareholder sued Rupert Murdoch, Lachlan Murdoch and other members of the Fox Corp. board of directors in Delaware on Tuesday, according to NBC News.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Fienstein has found the holy grail, she will live forever now. the eternal senator... my respect.
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