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Who should get the next welterweight title shot?
This poll is closed.
Colby Covington 2 3.51%
Belal Muhammad 17 29.82%
Shavkat Rakhmonov 3 5.26%
Matt Serra 26 45.61%
Marius Zaromskis 4 7.02%
Ben Quadrinaros 5 8.77%
Total: 57 votes
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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/BloodyElbow/status/1648035484524769313

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https://twitter.com/mma_kings/status/1648058410368131072

bad news

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Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



stop the fucking fight, cornerman, your dude is fucking done and is about to be killed.
tkz should not be sanctioned to fight a top 15 fighter in any division

Digital Jedi
May 28, 2007

Fallen Rib
yea, after what Volk did to him I don't want to see Max do the same to him

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
tkz is well past any sense of being in his prime and should have retired a long while ago

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

I would rather TKZ get sent out to pasture by one of the best the division has ever seen than have his corpse fed to Dana White Contender Series alum Colton Burpo in front of Mark Zuckerberg at The Apex.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Max is great to watch. Volkanovski too.

Carl does breakdowns for every card and even just skimming those can give you a sense of what's worth watching

CarlCX
Dec 14, 2003

Gramps posted:

I would love to hear who everyone really likes watching these days so I can get back into it a bit. I had no idea who Volk was when I saw him win the title. That should tell you how much less I watch MMA since I had a kid 13 goddamn years ago. Not nearly as much time for trying to take the Pro Posting Championships title as I had back when I was in every martial arts thread on here every loving day. So yeah. Who is awesome, and what fights are coming up that I should clear my schedule for?

The industry things that matter in single sentences:
  • The UFC simultaneously has more talent than it's ever had before and some of the dirt worst matchmaking, meaning cards are wildly inconsistent and title shots rarely make sense anymore, but they still have almost all of the best fighters in the world, almost every card will have at least a couple bangers on it and even though they hate it and try to bury it constantly the flyweight division is a modern wonder of the world
  • The #2 promotion in the world is now a Singaporean embezzling operationshadow-investment company named ONE Championship, who promote cards that simultaneously feature MMA, kickboxing, muay thai and submission grappling, they are hilariously corrupt, nothing about them organizationally makes sense and they could go under at literally any point, but they do dumb poo poo like 'what if the welterweight, middleweight, light-heavyweight and heavyweights champs all fought each other sometimes' and 'what if we promoted weekly thai kickboxing events but you don't know who's on them until two days before they happened' and it's a great clusterfuck
  • Bellator is even worse than it was when you left

The fighters who rule:
  • The UFC above 170 pounds is shaky and weird, but the UFC at 155 and below is almost always a good time and Alexander Volkanovski is the closest thing this era has to GSP
  • Demetrious Johnson is now a bantamweight and executing people eighteen feet taller than him in ONE
  • Zhang Weili at women's strawweight is a loving wrecking machine
  • Welterweight is currently blessed with Shavkat Rakhmonov, who is a weirdly calm murderer who has never gone to a decision, and Jack Della Maddalena, who might be the best boxer in the sport
  • Jon Jones is still here and we're all real mad about it

The next couple weekends of events are in the okay-to-middling category, UFC 288 on May 6th should be a lot of fun, and the UFC on ABC card on the 13th is basically loaded with network-television-friendly fights.

CommonShore posted:

Max is great to watch. Volkanovski too.

Carl does breakdowns for every card and even just skimming those can give you a sense of what's worth watching

Also this. If you want an essay to read on the toilet, there are previews of each event here typically on Wednesdays.

Boco_T
Mar 12, 2003

la calaca tilica y flaca
if you are getting back into combat sports in 2023 you should watch one friday fights and nothing else

Brut
Aug 21, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 25 days!

Boco_T posted:

if you are getting back into combat sports in 2023 you should watch one friday fights and nothing else

To clarify on this, they broadcast these for free on youtube and the VODs stay up, youtube now puts these in a separate tab from just "videos" (loving finally), so check them out here to know what we're talking about :

https://www.youtube.com/@ONEChampionship/streams

CarlCX
Dec 14, 2003

Also on the topic of this week's card being a little meh, we can now downgrade it from "meh" to "dire" because it just lost its co-main event:

https://twitter.com/aaronbronsteter/status/1648152888647069696

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:





Jesus, poor Mark. based on his earlier statements, they 100% threatened the gently caress out of him and he's going along with it like when he had to throw that fight in Pride.
Gym Jordan is a total piece of poo poo and I would pay ten PPVs to see Coleman trash him like an IKEA.

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


CarlCX posted:

The industry things that matter in single sentences:
  • The UFC simultaneously has more talent than it's ever had before and some of the dirt worst matchmaking, meaning cards are wildly inconsistent and title shots rarely make sense anymore, but they still have almost all of the best fighters in the world, almost every card will have at least a couple bangers on it and even though they hate it and try to bury it constantly the flyweight division is a modern wonder of the world
  • The #2 promotion in the world is now a Singaporean embezzling operationshadow-investment company named ONE Championship, who promote cards that simultaneously feature MMA, kickboxing, muay thai and submission grappling, they are hilariously corrupt, nothing about them organizationally makes sense and they could go under at literally any point, but they do dumb poo poo like 'what if the welterweight, middleweight, light-heavyweight and heavyweights champs all fought each other sometimes' and 'what if we promoted weekly thai kickboxing events but you don't know who's on them until two days before they happened' and it's a great clusterfuck
  • Bellator is even worse than it was when you left

The fighters who rule:
  • The UFC above 170 pounds is shaky and weird, but the UFC at 155 and below is almost always a good time and Alexander Volkanovski is the closest thing this era has to GSP
  • Demetrious Johnson is now a bantamweight and executing people eighteen feet taller than him in ONE
  • Zhang Weili at women's strawweight is a loving wrecking machine
  • Welterweight is currently blessed with Shavkat Rakhmonov, who is a weirdly calm murderer who has never gone to a decision, and Jack Della Maddalena, who might be the best boxer in the sport
  • Jon Jones is still here and we're all real mad about it

The next couple weekends of events are in the okay-to-middling category, UFC 288 on May 6th should be a lot of fun, and the UFC on ABC card on the 13th is basically loaded with network-television-friendly fights.

Also this. If you want an essay to read on the toilet, there are previews of each event here typically on Wednesdays.

Annnnd it's effortposts like this that will keep me coming back here forever. gently caress yeah man thank you. Give this person their Pro Posting Championship title shot asap. I definitely will try to catch some fights with you fellers sometime soon. It used to be a gas back in the day staying up super late watching bootleg streams of K1 and DREAM and all that wackadoo poo poo and talking poo poo with goons the whole time. Misaki/Akiyama was the peak of that I think. I'll keep checking back in. I typically only really follow the guitar and audio threads anymore. I need to relax a bit more so making it a point to set aside some time for watchin' fights sounds pretty awesome.

cagliostr0
Jun 8, 2020

Boco_T posted:

if you are getting back into combat sports in 2023 you should watch one friday fights and nothing else

Very strange way of saying fight circus, the home of sloppy balboa

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Commonshore, CarlCX & I just put out a new update on our collated rankings for MMA

https://twitter.com/RealFightIsland/status/1648171273871331329

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Yeah fight circus is pretty good actually.

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


cagliostr0 posted:

Very strange way of saying fight circus, the home of sloppy balboa

i caught the ones on the porn site thanks to twitter. hilarious

posting this from vr which is nuts to me. soon i will achieve supreme posting power ahahahah

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



stop the fucking fight, cornerman, your dude is fucking done and is about to be killed.

Gramps posted:

i caught the ones on the porn site thanks to twitter. hilarious

posting this from vr which is nuts to me. soon i will achieve supreme posting power ahahahah

hey man, good to see you're alive and well. i've become disconnected from mma as well but i still haunt these threads for the good posting from everyone.

my niche at the moment is going through old gdt threads for big cards and doing a commentary and recap of all the funny posting so i've seen you around.

you already appreciate carl / lobster's work so i think you're good!

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

Boco_T posted:

if you are getting back into combat sports in 2023 you should watch one friday fights fight circus and nothing else

Ftfy

Nierbo
Dec 5, 2010

sup brah?
While we're in the mood, Intel & Sebastian, you still lurk?

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


Nierbo posted:

While we're in the mood, Intel & Sebastian, you still lurk?

i love the idea of finding and reassembling the old crew hell yeah. I still talk to Keven on Tweeter sometimes, so thats one superstar poster accounted for. FD is still alive and kicking as well. Duncan is another story- would love to know how that dude is doing these days. Apparently he quit the internet because he's a Science guy now?

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

CarlCX posted:

Bellator is even worse than it was when you left

What’s impressive is that it’s been hanging in there this whole time, staying afloat off of truly B-league talent.

CarlCX posted:

Also on the topic of this week's card being a little meh, we can now downgrade it from "meh" to "dire" because it just lost its co-main event:

https://twitter.com/aaronbronsteter/status/1648152888647069696

I want someone to plot frequency of injury in scheduled fights, as well as proximity to fight date.

kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Apr 18, 2023

kri kri
Jul 18, 2007


I like the apex shows

Probably due to less chance of trump or other shitheads being on my tv

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

kri kri posted:

I like the apex shows

Probably due to less chance of trump or other shitheads being on my tv

CarlCX
Dec 14, 2003

CarlCX posted:

Also on the topic of this week's card being a little meh, we can now downgrade it from "meh" to "dire" because it just lost its co-main event:

https://twitter.com/aaronbronsteter/status/1648152888647069696

so hey, about this

https://twitter.com/ArmanUfc/status/1648164996365578241

So the UFC COULD have maintained that card's main event and had a great and interesting fight between two top ten fighters in Dariush and Tsarukyan, but they didn't, for reasons.

chaleski
Apr 25, 2014

Looks like we have another Askar Mozharov on our hands, although this guy's record is much worse lmao. He's fighting one of the guys from Korean Zombie's camp so let's see how that goes

CarlCX
Dec 14, 2003

chaleski posted:

Looks like we have another Askar Mozharov on our hands, although this guy's record is much worse lmao. He's fighting one of the guys from Korean Zombie's camp so let's see how that goes

So I saw this report this morning and it 100% deserves the scorn, I'm not saying it doesn't and I hope this is as embarrassing for them as Mozharov was, but it also leaves me wondering where people are drawing the line on what does and doesn't constitute record padding, because there's a loving ton of it that just kind of gets ignored. Like, if you look at this weekend's UFC card alone,
  • Iasmin Lucindo was fighting people who were 1-2, 2-1, 0-4 and 0-0 when she was double digits into her career
  • Francis Marshall won his way onto the Contender Series with victories over guys who were 24-30 and 7-7
  • William Gomis has victories over guys who are 17-19-2 and 17-36
  • The Titan main event that got Mohammed Usman noticed by PFL and the UFC was his 6-1 against a guy who was 2-6
  • Karol Rosa was fighting 1-0 rookies as late as her 13th fight
  • Brady Hiestand got picked up for The Ultimate Fighter after his incredible victory over the 0-12 Shane Sargent, who only loses by first round stoppages, typically within 90 seconds
  • The UFC, itself, booked 7-2 top featherweight Norma Dumont against the 1-0 Danyelle Wolf last year
So where do you draw the line? If you're only interrogating fighters like this case who openly engage in fraud that's one thing, but the greater institution of record padding gets brought into it and it seems like people don't want to engage with how widespread it actually is, including the UFC itself.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

kri kri posted:

I like the apex shows

Probably due to less chance of trump or other shitheads being on my tv

you sweet summer child

Trillhouse
Dec 31, 2000

i'd post a picture of zuck at apex but i don't want to look one up

NuclearPotato
Oct 27, 2011

Trillhouse posted:

i'd post a picture of zuck at apex but i don't want to look one up

good news, you don't need to:

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"
:siren: it's time for another B League Preview! :siren:

Bellator 295 - Saturday, April 22

Main Card - 10 PM ET, Showtime

Bantamweight Grand Prix Final - Raufeon “Supa” Stots vs Patchy “No Love” Mix

Stots is 19-1 with 4 TKO and 4 sub wins. He’s a perfect 7-0 in Bellator as part of his overall 11 fight winning streak dating back to 2017.

Mix is 17-1 with 1 TKO and 12 submission wins. He’s 6-1 in Bellator overall, with 4 straight wins.

Stots had some problems with Sabatello’s wrestling, and Mix is a far more offensively-focused grappler. If Mix can get his hands on Stots, expect Patchy to look for submissions early and often. However, as we often see with people who min-max to be excellent grapplers, the rest of their game lags far behind. If Raufeon can keep the fight standing, there’s a good chance he butchers Mix on the feet.

Flyweight - Ilima-Lei “The Iliminator” Macfarlane vs Kana Watanabe

Macfarlane is 12-2 with 2 TKO and 6 sub wins. She’s 11-2 in Bellator, winning her latest bout in August.

Watanabe is 11-1 with 3 TKO and 4 sub wins. She’s 3-1 in Bellator, winning her most recent bout by triangle last May.

Got a pair of grappley gals, should be good!

Featherweight - Aaron Pico vs James “The Alley Cat” Gonzalez

Pico is 10-4 with 7 TKO and 2 sub wins, with all of his pro bouts taking place inside the world famous Bellator Circlegon. Prior to his shoulder falling apart last October, Pico was riding a 6-fight win streak.

Gonzalez is 10-5 with 3 TKO and 2 sub wins. He’s 1-0 in Bellator, but did a brief jaunt to the PFL Challenger Series. Despite winning by first round TKO there, he isn’t in the regular PFL 2023 season. Kinda weird.

My personal vendetta against Pico has mostly subsided. He’s lost enough that I can finally view him as a fighter, and not the Special Bellator Boy who gets the easy matchups (that he doesn’t always win and I get to laugh and laugh). He’s probably going to win this one, he’s got a lot of high level experience.

Flyweight - Ray “The Tazmexican Devil” Borg vs Kyoji Horiguchi

Borg is 16-5 with 1 TKO and 6 submission wins. He’s on a 3-fight win streak since he left the UFC in 2020.

Horiguchi is 31-5 with 15 TKO and 4 sub wins. He’s 2-2 in Bellator, having dropped his two most recent bouts in the Circlegon, but he bounced back with another pair of wins in Rizin.

We got two guys who were 24 and 25 when they got trounced by DJ. Borg’s career has gone pretty bad since then. He hasn’t lost a ton, he’s just been unable to step inside the cage. Horiguchi has looked good since that DJ loss, except those two Bellator defeats, which feel like huge letdowns. I feel like Horiguchi is a lot better, but it’s hard to say what Borg looks like since he’s fought so infrequently. Sure, he’s been a bit more active of late, but it also hasn’t been against the highest levels of opponents.

Prelim Card - 8 PM ET, Youtube

Featherweight - Mads Burnell vs Justin “J-Train” Gonzales

Burnell is 16-5 with 1 TKO and 9 sub wins. He’s 3-2 in Bellator, losing his last two, both by decision.

Gonzales is 14-1, with 4 TKO and 1 sub win. He’s 3-1 in Bellator, currently on a 2 fight win streak.

Other than Aaron Pico, Gonzales has fought the same level of Bellator competition as Burnell. I should caveat that I am a Mads Burnell Doubter, and I’m ready to be proven disastrously wrong, as per usual.

Lightweight - Yancy Medeiros vs Charlie “917” Leary

Medeiros is 15-8, with 7 wins by TKO and 4 by submission. He won his Bellator debut last year by decision. Primarily a brawler, his last stoppage win was in 2017. To be fair to Yancy, he didn’t have any kind of win between that one and the Bellator fight.

Leary’s record is 17-13 with 9 TKO and 3 sub wins. He’s 3-4 in Bellator, having lost his last two.

Looks like we’ve got a Captain Cook situation brewing! To put it plainly, I hope a Native Hawaiian beats the hell out of a British.

Featherweight - Kai “Fighting Hawaiian” Kamaka III vs Adli “Sunshine” Edwards

Kamaka is 10-5 with just one TKO and just one sub win. He’s 4-1 in Bellator, notching his first career stoppage win in his latest fight.

Edwards is 9-2 with 2 TKO and 3 sub wins. He is 0-1 in Bellator, getting punched out by Aaron Pico last April, snapping a 7-fight win streak.

The Pico fight was a big step up in competition for Edwards. Kamaka should be slightly more his speed, but I think Kai is probably a bit better.

Flyweight - Sumika “Lady Samurai” Inaba vs Veta Arteaga

Inaba is a perfect 5-0, all fights in Bellator, with 3 TKO and one submission win.

Arteaga is 7-4 with 1 TKO and 2 sub wins. She’s 6-4 in Bellator, currently on a two fight win streak.

This will be Inaba’s biggest test to see if she can move up the 125 lb rankings. She’s early in her MMA career, but she’s 32, having gotten a pretty late start in face punching. This will also be just the second time Inaba has faced someone with a winning record, so we’ll see how prepared the Lady Samurai is.

Featherweight - Keoni Diggs vs Weber “The Silverback” Almeida

Diggs is 10-2 with 1 TKO and 6 wins by sub. He’s 3-2 in Bellator, ending a two fight losing streak with a decision win last October.

Almeida is 7-1 with 6 of his wins coming by TKO. Weber is 5-1 in Bellator, winning his last two after tasting defeat for the first time as a professional back in 2021.

Two mid-30s featherweights fighting on the early part of the Bellator Human Sacrifice Hour prelims. Let’s just hope we get some promised mayhem, violence, and bloodshed, fellas.

Lightweight - Bobby King vs Aalon Cruz

King is 12-5 with 3 wins by TKO and 5 by submission. He has gone 3-2 in Bellator so far, losing to the two good fighters he’s faced, Alexander Shabily and Gadzhi Rabadanov. To King’s credit, he went the distance in both of them.

Cruz brings an overall record of 10-4 to the cage, with 4 TKO and 2 submission wins. He won on the Contender Series in 2019, then got obliterated in two UFC fights in a combined 3 minutes. Since then, Cruz has won a pair of fights on the regional scene and now we are here.

I don’t think Cruz is being brought in as an equal match to King. Pretty sure Bobby is going to push him over and deliver a moderate whomping.

Heavyweight - Davion “All Day” Franklin vs Kasim Aras

Franklin is 5-1 with 3 TKO wins. He’s fought his entire pro career thus far in Bellator, losing his last bout by RNC to Marcelo Golm.

Aras is 7-1 with 3 TKO and 2 submission wins, and to show he’s a cool badass, he’s also got a loss by DQ due to CHEST BITE. An absolute savage! He’s on a 3-fight win streak, so he mentally bounced back from chomping into human flesh, and hopefully his hunger has been satiated. For now.

I am a simple keyboard warrior, but I would not agree to a fight against someone that has a history, no matter how minor, of being a cannibal. Respect to you, Davion Franklin, but be careful.

Flyweight - Ilara “Arya Stark” Joanne vs Bruna Ellen

Joanne is 11-6, with 4 TKO and 3 sub wins. She is currently 3-2 in Bellator, having stopped a two fight skid with a pair of decision wins last year.

Ellen is 6-4 with a single TKO stoppage to her name. She is 4-4 in Bellator, losing her latest bout by decision.

It’s going to be interesting to see how long Joanne keeps the Arya Stark nickname as Game of Thrones slowly fades from cultural relevancy. I guess the other fun game to play is to see if she retires from fighting before Martin finishes the next book. Anyway, this is going to be a fight between people. You can watch it or you can not watch it, the choice is yours.

Welterweight - Alexey Shurkevich vs Masayuki Kikuiri

Shurkevich is 13-5 with 1 submission and 9 TKO victories. He is 1-0 in Bellator, winning his Circlegon debut back in 2021. Since then, he went to Shlemenko FC and, fittingly, lost by spinning backfist knockout.

Kikuiri is a type of Nepalese short sword, favored by the Gurkhas. Whoops, that’s not right. Masayuki Kikuiri is 8-2 with 5 wins by TKO. He’s fought exclusively in Pancrase, where about half his wins have come against guys with losing records.

This looks like another set up fight, in that Kikuiri is being set up to get beat down.

Pb and Jellyfish
Oct 30, 2011

CarlCX posted:

0-12 Shane Sargent, who only loses by first round stoppages, typically within 90 seconds


Jesus christ, is that guy a fighter or just a brain damage fetishist?

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

same energy

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



stop the fucking fight, cornerman, your dude is fucking done and is about to be killed.
the just bleed guy and that zuckerberg shot can stand next to each other and sum up my feelings towards mma

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

Pb and Jellyfish posted:

Jesus christ, is that guy a fighter or just a brain damage fetishist?

Regional MMA is pretty hosed up. But also really cool live.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Trump
Elon
Zuck

Two bullets

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Gramps posted:

YESSS YOU'RE STILL HERE. I follow you on the tweeter but never see your poo poo anymore because Twitter is the worst run site on the entire internet.

I caught highlights (either you or IQW's feed) of a couple of his most recent fights and I thought he looked as good as ever somehow. Apparently there was some sort of trade and it worked out for both orgs or something? I don't remember the details. Edit: oh yeah the Askren stuff. That actually was pretty great for everyone, especially for Masvidal and Jake Paul's wallets in the long run.

Welter weight has a lot of fun as hell dudes in it right now.

delightful
Jul 20, 2022

Lid posted:

Trump
Elon
Zuck

Two bullets

Easy, and without even thinking twice, Elon and Zuck.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!


delightful posted:

Easy, and without even thinking twice, Elon and Zuck.

A and C, B will run Twitter into the ground and the problem will solve itself

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Shoot.zuck twice just in case

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Tweak
Jul 28, 2003

or dont whatever








just can't take that chance

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