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Nea posted:Here's the thing I didn't think about it until after I bought the dlc but my desire to not play as a slaver is pretty high so I decided eh, I'll set them aside at least for now. sorry, im not trying to harp on you too much, but i find it very funny that someone would buy dlc for a race called chaos dwarfs for a game called Total War: Warhammer and then would be distraught by the potential war crimes they would inevitably commit tbh tho, every single faction is monstrously evil in the game. Even the "good guys" will commit heinous genocide for every conquered faction and razed city. you would drive yourself mad trying to play the game in a way that isnt cartoonishly villainous. drat, that actually sounds like a funny campaign tho for real tho, chorfs have a ton of fun tools to make crazy gunlines with backing artillery and their econ mechanics are a lot of fun, if you enjoy plate spinning. Of the factions you have access to, tho, probably skaven have the best gunlines but A) you need Ikit Claw dlc for those units and B) they are significantly more evil than the chorfs, dont look up how they make more skaven im guessing Kislev would be your next best bet, but ive never played them so i dont know how effective their gunlines are
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WHFB isn't really as grimdark as 40k though, like the empire and the border princes etc aren't really that terrible, depending exactly on where you live. Same with Cathay. Kislev is obviously a horrible place to live however.
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Apr 18, 2023 23:42
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whfb is mediocre guys against bad guys, 40k is terrible guys against even worse guys
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:
The Kislevite artillery is also much worse than the Imperial equivalent. Little Grom is the only option, and it makes a serviceable one-size-fits-all mobile artillery piece drawn by bears, but cannot specialize the way an Imperial army can, between helblasters, hellstorms, (and maybe now luminarks if the buff is worthwhile) and before that cannon and mortar. You do get much better missile chariots, though. I would not say Kislev makes a good gunline faction. They make a very shooty faction however. Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Apr 18, 2023 23:46
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Mediocre and mundane versus fantastical evil guys is very cool and fun. Some 10,000 year old demon wearing armor made in a forge fueled by wailing souls blasted in the face by a peasant with a lovely handgun and an even dumber peasant swinging an even shittier sword? Yeah man
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bob dobbs is dead posted:whfb is mediocre guys against bad guys, 40k is terrible guys against even worse guys thats fair, im more pointing out that the game mechanics themselves make it (nearly) impossible to play in a morally justifiable way we, uh, genocided some folks
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The Dreadquake Mortar RoR for Chaos Dwarves is, uhh, something else  It's strong as hell in manual combat but it seems outright busted in autoresolve.Every time I autoresolve a battle with it in my army, it gets well over 1000 kills and does 10x the gold value in damage as the next highest unit. e: I haven't used a regular non-RoR dreadquake mortar so maybe they do the same thing deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Apr 18, 2023 23:50
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Fantasy isn't grimdark but generally speaking if you read below the surface it broaches dark parts more. It's just not so comically evil on the surface, which I think to a large extent is because all the races have to live on the same planet. Like, Bretonnia. Classic and noble, beautiful Arthurian group. Also *hilariously* corrupt with absolutely no regard for their own citizens if your first name isn't "Sir".
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i dont know the lore behind Cathay. Is it a nice place to live if youre one of its normal citizens? Would there be any better faction to be a part of?
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:i dont know the lore behind Cathay. Is it a nice place to live if youre one of its normal citizens? Would there be any better faction to be a part of? They have throwaway, expendable peasants that they draft into the military and god-emperors so it's probably not great! The happiest people in Warhammer are the greenskins. Not the chorf slaves, the free greenskins that live on top of piles of poo poo and use their teeth as money.
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i guess im looking at it through the lens of being a human. I imagine that being a human in a greenskin camp would not be pleasant nor would you last very long but, if you stick with whatever species the faction is, maybe ogres would be really fun? vampirate could be cool too i guess. High Elves would be alright
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Ogres are always hungry, that kinda sucks. From a human's perspective, I bet being an amazon is the poo poo
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jokes posted:They have throwaway, expendable peasants that they draft into the military and god-emperors so it's probably not great! Canonically the happiest Greenskins are the Ork Boyz in 40k who Khorne keeps resurrecting to fight more of his demons.
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Gonkish posted:Canonically the happiest Greenskins are the Ork Boyz in 40k who Khorne keeps resurrecting to fight more of his demons. I'd imagine the boyz stuck in that eternal war with the tyranids are similarly happy. The tyranids are probably absolutely not happy at all.
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Well, gonna try a new campaign as Boris to see how much Kislev suck or not. I did beat the RoC campaign somewhere at game launch, but I don't really recall what I did or how I did it. And yeah, using castellan as roadblocks is probably the smartest thing to do. I gave some of mines the item that makes them invincible for a short time, trading with melee malus.
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:i dont know the lore behind Cathay. Is it a nice place to live if youre one of its normal citizens? Would there be any better faction to be a part of? Going by the tabletop RPG, most places not directly under Chaos' control are pleasant enough to live for the Early Modern era when you're not under attack. Unless you're a woman in Bretonnia. Being a mage trades the grimdark from 40k for crushing student loan debt. Magic school ain't cheap.
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Being a Treeman sounds pretty chill.
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:i dont know the lore behind Cathay. Is it a nice place to live if youre one of its normal citizens? Would there be any better faction to be a part of? In lore it's probably about the same as living in Imperial China, maybe worse. For most of the citizens you're farming anyway. Downside is if you get drafted you're fighting some hellvikings locked into magical armor spewing daemonfire that warps reality. Bonus, at least your god-emperor actually is a God? Who seems to care about you somewhat? That's good. Honestly not too different from how living in the Empire is probably like living in 15th century HRE most of the time, just when you do get drafted it's probably worse. And the marauders living in the woods are beastmen, but dead is still dead.
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Ravenfood posted:Streltsi have near- identical shooting characteristics to Empire's handgunners. They have 5 less range and 2 less ammo, but more health per model, better armor, and substantially better melee stats. The great thing about Kislev is it's easy to ally with Empire or Dwarf factions and address that artillery deficiency.
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Talking about units now being able to be hit when they are on the ground, I don't think that's universal. I tried a full barrage of Blunderbuss shots on a prone hero that was knocked down during retreat and it did no damage to him, even though they have AP.
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Ravenfood posted:In lore it's probably about the same as living in Imperial China, maybe worse. For most of the citizens you're farming anyway. Downside is if you get drafted you're fighting some hellvikings locked into magical armor spewing daemonfire that warps reality. Bonus, at least your god-emperor actually is a God? Who seems to care about you somewhat? That's good. Although there are a couple of points of improvement if you take the RPG as gospel: gay marriage is legal (in the Empire and Kislev), and there is free, no-drawback, 100% effective birth control available because the human goddess of fertility and love teaches that no one should feel required to have children.
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The blunderbuss knockdown can be deceiving, the first time they fired at a unit and all the infantry models fell over I thought they were wiped in one volley. As it turns out, it only took another volley or two
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Are the chorf hell forged units any good? Do you need a demonsmith to make them good The manufactorum can make them all unbreakable which gets rid of their weakness (Instability)
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Grumio posted:The blunderbuss knockdown can be deceiving, the first time they fired at a unit and all the infantry models fell over I thought they were wiped in one volley. I meant it in the sense that a hero charged in and knocked the enemy over, at which point the blunderbusses opened fire with a full volley and the health on the enemy's unit card didn't go down at all.
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Blunderbussy knows how to take down a man, don't you worry
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Nea posted:i bought this game finally to play chorfs, after remembering i /did/ own tww 2 on steam from ages ago, so i at least had those guys in addition to the tww 3 ones. then i realized i didn't actually want to play chorfs and instead i did like, 50 turns of cathay, which was great fun then got bored, then 40 turns of khorne, then got bored. Which is fine like, 40 turns i sa long time in these games- i just wasn't wild about the guys to fight around cathay and also couldn't be assed to hold the gates, and then with Khorne it was a lot of 'well, i like having guns too much even though seeing skarbrand go brr is quite fun' . Slaanesh are very fun, they exchange guns for everything being insanely fast and armor piercing Tzeentch is also very fun, kairos gets a later skill that let's him stack spell damage per mage hero in his army up to double damage. You have access to a very solid chaos warrior front line too. Vilitch is more solid on the campaign if you don't want to play flying hero caster solos the army with kairos. I think theyr so drat fun for some reason, the aesthetic maybe Whenever kairos isn't on screen im asking wheres kairos Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Apr 19, 2023 |
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Not sure if it's just in coop battles or what but those flying bulls seem really buggy. Just had one in a siege battle get trapped floating above wall after beating up some archers. Couldn't move for the rest of the fight. And in previous battles we've seen it do a bunch of weird stuff like stuttering in the air and refusing to actually land/attack fleeing units.
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Yeah the Taurus are having some issues with walls and geometry in general lol
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Cythereal posted:Going by the tabletop RPG, most places not directly under Chaos' control are pleasant enough to live for the Early Modern era when you're not under attack. Unless you're a woman in Bretonnia. I thought women in Brettonia, Repanse aside, are just peasants like the men? Unless you're referring to magical ones being given to the elves, which while not great is probably better than just being killed like the male ones are
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I thought women in Brettonia, Repanse aside, are just peasants like the men? Unless you're referring to magical ones being given to the elves, which while not great is probably better than just being killed like the male ones are In most versions of the fluff? Women in Bretonnia are property, first of their father and then of their husband. They do not have the right to refuse to be married (or any other rights). Though a considerable number of Bretonnia's knights at any given time are in fact disguised women, only once in Bretonnia's entire history has a woman ever been recognized by the Grail and allowed to rule as a noble in her own right. Repanse won that right by single-handedly saving the entire kingdom and leading the army after the actual king died. The first and last woman in Bretonnia's history to receive that kind of elevation and honor.
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Bretonnia has strong gender roles that are enforced only when it is convenient. For example, it is the fashion for young knights to have long hair and be very clean shaven, and no man would ever dare suggest that a fellow knight is, in fact, a woman in armor.
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It's also worth noting that Repanse was made a Duke as a result of her saving Bretonnia, not a Duchess, so that she could actually rule over Lyonesse.
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:sorry, im not trying to harp on you too much, but i find it very funny that someone would buy dlc for a race called chaos dwarfs for a game called Total War: Warhammer and then would be distraught by the potential war crimes they would inevitably commit I'm aware of the contradictions. It's not like I think playing this poo poo makes you evil or whatever, I just have my own personal preferences for what's fun and what way I would like to be cartoonisbly evil in a videogame.
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After having played all three Chorfs for 100-ish turns in IE, I think Zhatan has the best campaign/starting spot. There are distinct phases to it where you face different types of enemies. For me it was Chaos -> Cathay -> Dark Elves -> Lizardmen Then once you kick in the gates and establish yourself in Cathay, you can either continue the march south and west, or ally with Clan Eshin and hop into the sea lanes to start invading the rest of the world. Lots of variety and pretty low pressure when it comes to defending your core territory.
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Cythereal posted:Although there are a couple of points of improvement if you take the RPG as gospel: gay marriage is legal (in the Empire and Kislev), and there is free, no-drawback, 100% effective birth control available because the human goddess of fertility and love teaches that no one should feel required to have children. Yeah, Empire in fantasy has a better quality of life than the historical HRE and honestly the Storm of Chaos (before it got retconned into end times) was way less lethal than the 30 Years War. Archaon has nothing on Gustavus Adolphus.
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you will never encounter indirect fire weapons in fiction that fire as far as actual real indirect fire weapons also often direct fire weapons
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How long could you build their trains in TT anyways?
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Played a bit of all three Chorf Lords in IE, I really wish they'd given Zhatan a different starting location to where he is, maybe somewhere in the Badlands or Border Princes instead of getting jammed in above Cathay. Both his and Astragoth's starts suffer from having Grimgor right there and his propensity to snowball hard hanging over your head unless you deal with him asap, I had to abandon my first attempt at Zhatan because Vilitch and his vassal Norscans decided to declare war at me the turn after I met them and by the time I was done mopping him up, here comes Grimmy coming over the ridge after kicking Kholech in the teeth to put my fragile early game economy into a death spiral. Gonna give Drazhoath another try and this time smash through Imrik as soon as I can (provided that Ghorst and Greasus don't team up to hammer at my eastern flank and then get chased all over the Mountains of Mourn like with my first campaign), and try to push through into the Old World before its inevitably 40% Festus, 40% Azrael and 20% Karl hiding in some forlorn corner province by the time I get there.
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Drazhoath has the best starting location imo. Really great enemy variety down there. I like playing as Zhatan more but I don't like his IE start. I feel like I spent a lot of time fighting other Chaos factions or Cathay and there weren't as many possible directions to go in.
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