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Artonos posted:He just wants to do migrant detention facilities except the homeless. Everyone here is putting more thought into it than he has. This also opens the door to putting other types of people republicans dont like into detention facilities.
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Randalor posted:The idea of setting up a place for homeless people to get a chance to safely give them a chance to grapple with their addictions and get them under control, get back on their feet and give them a fresh start in life isn't necessarily a bad thing... Yeah but you'd want actual houses or apartments. Or at the very least shelters or treatment facilities. Putting them in a tent city is a terrible idea (and not actually an improvement, given it's how most of them are living now).
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Meatball posted:This also opens the door to putting other types of people republicans dont like into detention facilities. That door has been open for a long time already. Prisons have been around for quite a while by now.
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ryde posted:Yeah but you'd want actual houses or apartments. Or at the very least shelters or treatment facilities. Putting them in a tent city is a terrible idea (and not actually an improvement, given it's how most of them are living now). Yah I mean the solution is to build more housing everywhere basically.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Correct, also Democrats won't either. The only solution acceptable in mainstream politics is a combination of slavery and extermination camps. Do you have examples of when those solutions have been implemented, or proposed with mainstream acceptance?
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Angry_Ed posted:"Six Attributed to clutter" makes me think this means someone got gunk on the radar screen This reminds me of the discovery of Cosmic Background Radiation. "you either discovered the CBR or discovered the effects of bird crap " I think they got a nobel for bird crap.
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ryde posted:Yeah but you'd want actual houses or apartments. Or at the very least shelters or treatment facilities. Putting them in a tent city is a terrible idea (and not actually an improvement, given it's how most of them are living now). Oh no doubt. At best a tent city would be a stopgap until a more permanent facility is built. I was just saying that the concept of the government doing literally anything to actually help the homeless isn't a bad idea, but considering this is Trump of all people proposing it, it's just as likely he saw a source of cheap
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Randalor posted:Oh no doubt. At best a tent city would be a stopgap until a more permanent facility is built. I was just saying that the concept of the government doing literally anything to actually help the homeless isn't a bad idea, but considering this is Trump of all people proposing it, it's just as likely he saw a source of cheap Yep I get what you're saying. Like you, my problem with the proposal is fundamentally that since its Trump you know its a not a stop-gap. They're not trying to help the homeless, just move them out of the way somewhere they don't have to see them. Same problem with tent cities in Seattle and (I'm assuming) San Francisco. I think this also applies to the "tiny house villages" that Seattle tried out as well -- didn't really help people and just kinda moved them out of the way.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes the correct response is to not play the game here Honestly, the funnier thought is what happens if they pass something, minting the coin after McCarthy spends all this air and political capital doing it would be the single funniest thing democrats could do in my lifetime. Someone, somewhere in that administration absolutely has a lever to do this if they think the GOP won’t blink.
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Artonos posted:He just wants to do migrant detention facilities except the homeless. Everyone here is putting more thought into it than he has. Exactly. Nothing about his plan other than "jail the homeless" is real.
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Koos Group posted:Do you have examples of when those solutions have been implemented, or proposed with mainstream acceptance? The camps along the southern border that were an Assault On Human Rights until team blue won, then they became It's Complicated.
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Nenonen posted:Uh... so about the Trump Tent Rehab Cities. When I informed this person that I have had friends who were homeless and they would have been happy for any assistance, his response was, "Well, of course, people who owned homes who have just fallen on hard times are different. Real homeless people aren't like us." As if anyone I know my age has ever or will ever own a house. That is to say people are good at dehumanizing homeless people, and, perhaps more importantly, I was obliged by my job to be polite to a horrific old man and haven't gotten over it yet and needed to share.
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Also I "love" how the language of social justice gets deployed to protect shitheads. "You think someone shouldn't be a senator just because they're so dementia ridden they don't even know where they are?! Wow. Wow. First, ableist. Second, she is a woman, so: sexist. Do better, champ."
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Byzantine posted:Also I "love" how the language of social justice gets deployed to protect shitheads. "You think someone shouldn't be a senator just because they're so dementia ridden they don't even know where they are?! Wow. Wow. First, ableist. Second, she is a woman, so: sexist. Do better, champ." This kind of stuff is getting weaponzied a *lot* more nowadays and I think it comes down to a lot of people who value being seen as "allies" more than they prefer being right, and everyone knows that fact about them. Just engaging with those topics on a surface level because trying to go deeper means that you might need to separate out people who are having actual issues and people who are trying to use it as a shield, and doing so means if you make a mistake them it's *your* fault. And regressives *know* about that fear and can use it against them. A question that separates people tends to come down to something like (for example) "if all black experiences are real and valid then how does Candice Owens fit into that"? Most people who are actually involved in social justice can give an actual answer to explain why the things that one example says are not included in that statement. But people who fall prey to the "uhm you're being problematic right now" trap just kind of bluescreen because they are terrified of saying why they believe that X is not valid, because doing so is taking a stand on their own two feet rather than "everything here is perfect and I will ignore anything that isn't". Now I'm not black but I am queer and I can firmly say that my experience with this can be summarized in the fact that the statement "gay white men are the straight white men of the community" is a terrible thing outside of the community and a pretty widely accepted one inside of it. CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Apr 19, 2023 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Smartmatic also has a case against Fox and they are putting out aggressive statements, but I wouldn't read anything in to them beyond attorneys trying to scare the other side into a higher settlement. Don’t you give me false hope. I’ve already had my heart shattered once this week.
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Eiba posted:I occasionally run the book discussion group at the library where I work. There's a regular older fellow- generally pretty liberal in politics, anti-Trump at least- who was talking about the subject of homelessness. "They're not like us. They get angry when you try to help them." A very good chance that his understanding of "trying to help" is some bullshit that falls apart as wrong within a maximum of 2 seconds of thought. For instance, giving an offer for this person to come with you,a complete stranger, to an unknown location and do some physical labor in exchange for a meal/a couple bucks.
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Robert F. Kennedy Junior officially launched his campaign for the 2024 Democratic primary today. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1648736250231128065 He's mostly famous for being an anti-vax activist, but he released his entire platform today as well. He is going for some... interesting imagery and word choice for his campaign. I think this may be the first presidential campaign announcement to include the phrase "Few relish the thought of dead fetuses." quote:America is more polarized and divided now than at any time in living memory. Both sides seem to agree that the basic problem is the horrible people on the other side. Both sides are wrong. The basic problem is the division itself. A divided public lacks the strength to resist exploitation or to overcome the inertia of the status quo. The classic American can-do spirit exhausts itself in endless battles. So let’s heal the divide. quote:We will make sure that the Covid-era suspension of the right to assembly, trial by jury, and freedom of worship will never happen again. The same for the right to property. During Covid, 3.4 million business were forced to close. Many of them, including 60% of Black-owned businesses, will never reopen. quote:We will also take special care to ensure the civil liberties of minorities and the poor. We will end the failed War on Drugs and grant amnesty to nonviolent drug offenders. We will shut the school-to-prison pipeline, and transition prisons away from a punishment paradigm to a rehabilitation paradigm. Prisons will be an intervention in a life gone wrong, and a way to prevent offenders from harming others again.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Robert F. Kennedy Junior officially launched his campaign for the 2024 Democratic primary today. Speaking of bullshit social justice terminology. "We will simply make everyone happy, existing in a quantum state of abortions both freely available and not happening."
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CuddleCryptid posted:Speaking of bullshit social justice terminology. That just sounds like "abortions for some, miniature american flags for others" run through a politician filter
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It's not that far off from "safe, legal, and rare" which, to be clear, is bullshit framing which caves to the right wing framing of abortion as wrong or bad or something to be ashamed off. So it's lovely language but I don't think it's some new weird stance on abortion, it's just the "moderate" one.
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Most of it is impressively content-less politician speak that somehow doesn't take a side on anything. But, the part that is most concerning to me is his implication that there are a few Americans who relish the thought of dead fetuses. The other interesting thing is that he gets into every weird covid bedbug, but never mentions his anti-vax stance, which is the one thing he is famous for. He runs an anti-vaccination foundation that helps parents whose children are the "victims" of being vaccinated too young/often/etc.
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Glad there's a candidate for the anti-vaxx Libs and addled 90 year old New Englanders. Surely this will be the chaos agent Steve Bannon is going for that polls 4% with a 5% margin of error on polls for the next year.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Most of it is impressively content-less politician speak that somehow doesn't take a side on anything. It is an absolutely terrible phrase and I can only imagine that he has an extremely incompetent team working for him.
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It was announced that they were voting on it a few weeks ago, but the Florida State Board of Education has officially expanded the "Don't Say Gay" law to cover kids up through 12th grade. The original "Don't say Gay" bill was pitched as a common-sense measure that only applied to kids in kindergarten through third grade, but contained a provision that allowed the state board of education to expand it if necessary. Florida public schools are now banned from teaching anything related to gender identity or sexual orientation in any capacity in "classroom instruction." In a kind of darkly ironic twist, this won't actually impact sex education in Florida at all because the state already requires all public schools to teach abstinence only and never discuss sexual activity in any form. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1648731406791589889 quote:Florida bans teaching about gender identity in all public schools Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Apr 19, 2023 |
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Koos Group posted:Do you have examples of when those solutions have been implemented, or proposed with mainstream acceptance? Depends on how mainstream that acceptance is, but the “liberal” mayor of Portland is implementing
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Thaddius the Large posted:Depends on how mainstream that acceptance is, but the “liberal” mayor of Portland is implementing as a note, wheeler is a well known fascist pig alongside his pig department that he loves so much
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Robert F. Kennedy Junior officially launched his campaign for the 2024 Democratic primary today. That announcement is anything but interesting. It's bog-standard language of compromise and bipartisanship, drawing on the rather overused sentiment of "there's good people on both sides, your political opponents aren't murderous monsters, let's all get along and put aside our disagreements to pass all the stuff both parties do agree on". Among his mostly empty rhetoric, though, there is one policy he's willing to commit to: government subsidies for alternative medicine. quote:Another key aspect of American revitalization is our healthcare system, which consumes nearly one-fifth of GDP. It isn’t just a matter of shifting the burden of who pays. The problem is much deeper. Healthcare spending per capita has increased twelve-fold since 1960. Are we twelve times healthier? Quite the contrary: We face today a terrible pandemic—not of Covid, but of chronic disease. Autoimmunity, allergies, diabetes, obesity, addiction, anxiety, and depression afflict two-thirds of the population, up from a few percent in our grandparents’ time. A Kennedy administration will go beyond making existing modalities available to all, to include low-cost alternative and holistic therapies that have been marginalized in a pharma-dominated system. We will move from a sick care system to a wellness society.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Robert F. Kennedy Junior officially launched his campaign for the 2024 Democratic primary today. Steve Bannon is behind much of this: Steve Bannon Encouraged RFK Jr. to Run Against Biden for ‘Months’: Report quote:Steve Bannon spent “months” encouraging anti-vaccine poster boy Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to challenge President Biden for the Democratic nomination in the 2024 presidential election, according to a report. CBS News reporter Robert Costa reports that people familiar with the matter said Bannon hoped RFK Jr. could serve as both a “useful chaos agent” in the election while also helpfully stoking “anti-vaccine sentiment around the country.” While Kennedy has yet to formally announce his campaign, he filed paperwork with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday showing he is running as a Democrat. In 2021, the Center for Countering Digital Hate accused Kennedy of playing a leading role in “spreading digital misinformation about Covid vaccines,” and he last year apologized for saying vaccine-hesitant Americans had it worse than Anne Frank, who died in a Nazi concentration camp.
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Steve Bannon who has failed at literally every other political op post-2016 and is still chasing the gold-foil-wrapped orange dragon named Trump
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McCarthy has announced that they have a Republican debt ceiling bill and could vote on it as early as next week. Primary planks: - Repeal most of the IRA. - Life debt ceiling for $1.5 trillion dollars or until 3/31/2024 - whichever comes first. - Cut domestic spending down to where it was in 2022 and cap the growth in total domestic spending to 1% per year for the next 10 years. - Void Biden's student loan forgiveness plan (pretty sure this is not necessary and the Supreme Court has them covered here) - Requiring all unspent pandemic aid by the states to be returned and cancelling the disbursement of any remaining unspent pandemic aid at the federal level. - Work requirements for SNAP beneficiaries. - Require faster and more additional oil and gas leasing on federal lands that the federal government has declined to hold auctions for to raise revenue. - Repealing the EPA's new regulations on requiring utilities to begin removing PFAs from drinking water. - Reduce maximum TANF benefits without work or community engagement requirements. - Repeal a pause on leasing federal land for coal mining and increase the number of leases sold. - A resolution formally proclaiming congressional disapproval for the executive branch withdrawing the permits for the Keystone XL Pipeline (lol) https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1648764581014118402 https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1648767062649495582 quote:WASHINGTON — House Speaker Kevin McCarthy released a debt limit bill Wednesday that he hopes to pass with Republican support, triggering a frantic push to gather the votes in his narrow majority.
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haveblue posted:Steve Bannon has finally become Emperor Palpatine just like he told us he would (tossed to his death by evil protege, resurrected in dumb cross-media stunt nobody saw, teams up with loser weirdo who will probably also kill him) Can't wait for the cottage industry of video essays about how Bannon's granddaughter sucks and is just a mary sue.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:McCarthy has announced that they have a Republican debt ceiling bill and could vote on it as early as next week. I hope Biden tells McCarthy to gently caress off forever.
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the real question is if he can even get that turd passed or if it's as dead as the trees it's printed onFailed Imagineer posted:Shutdown it is then
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CuddleCryptid posted:This kind of stuff is getting weaponzied a *lot* more nowadays and I think it comes down to a lot of people who value being seen as "allies" more than they prefer being right, and everyone knows that fact about them. ... I'd say it's that, but also people invested more in tribal affiliation than being correct. My current online un-favorite example is any questioning of unsourced claims of intentional wrongdoing by some group--governments, liberals, communists, Muslims, whatever--being met with "why are you giving _________ the benefit of the doubt?"
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Zamujasa posted:the real question is if he can even get that turd passed or if it's as dead as the trees it's printed on When do they have to pass it by before? Any bets on who will be the ones to vote against it? The "more moderate" Republicans for going too far, or the right-wing extremists who'll sink it out of spite/because they can/to own the libs?
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