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Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
I would pay $50 for proper battletech dice that shows to hit for movement like proper battletech dice should but that’s a bridge too far it seems.


They cost over $100 last time I checked after shipping from Etsy :(

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BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

I use D10s for movement dice because they have a 0 on them

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Kesper North posted:

IMO the "real" Phoenix Hawk IIC is the Vapor Eagle

This is basically correct.

The Incubus is the Stinger/Wasp IIC

The Hellhound is the Wolverine IIC.

The Mad Dog is the Archer IIC

The Dire Wolf is the King Crab IIC

The Summoner is the real Shadow Hawk IIC

The Hellbringer is the Cyclops IIC

The Ice Ferret is the Sentinel IIC

PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Apr 20, 2023

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
The Gargoyle is the Charger IIC

Sidesaddle Cavalry
Mar 15, 2013

Oh Boy Desert Map

PoptartsNinja posted:

The Hellbringer is the Cyclops IIC

Where are the similarities here?

Otherwise, good list

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:

Where are the similarities here?

The Hellbringer seems like it should probably be the Warhammer, I know. But it isn't.

The Warhammer's a line unit, designed to take as good as it gets. The Hellbringer is a Star League-style command 'Mech, it isn't supposed to see direct combat which is why it's so heavily armed and skimps on armor coverage. The Hellbringer's armament is pure deterrance, it's designed to make headhunters poo poo proverbial bricks--just like the Cyclops's AC/20--but the Clans don't have to compromise range to get headcappers.

There's a reason that Wolf's Dragoons stick their regimental comm. officer in a Hellbringer, because it's just as good at managing signal traffic as their OG comm. officer's Cyclops.

The Clans use it wrong, but the Clans not understanding the tools they have access to is par for the course.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
Masakari/Warhawk is the Awesome IIC
Fire Moth is the Flea IIC

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


Gladiator's a Banshee IIc, got the same legs, big toothy skull head and a giant engine. It's just allowed to have actual guns because Clantech means not making design compromises.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

PoptartsNinja posted:


The Summoner is the real Shadow Hawk IIC

The Summoner is the Thunderbolt IIC. It even has a shoulder LRM launcher and an off centre cockpit.

e. Horned Owl is the Mongoose IIC

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


The Thor is a Warrauderbolt. Torso of a Thud, gun arm of a Marauder, legs of a Warhammer.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
The Summoner is a flexible but under-armed (for Clantech) skirmisher which is why I draw closer parallels to the Shadow Hawk. The Thunderbolt's got a great and pretty flexible secondary armament. The Summoner typically doesn't. Really it's probably fair to call it a mashup between the Shadow Hawk, Griffin, and Thunderbolt and admit that it's doing all three jobs pretty badly.

LeschNyhan
Sep 2, 2006

I could be convinced to up my pledge a bit in the last 24 hours. Does anyone know what option I have to go for to get the aerospace fighters?

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

LeschNyhan posted:

I could be convinced to up my pledge a bit in the last 24 hours. Does anyone know what option I have to go for to get the aerospace fighters?

Are those not add-on salvage? IIRC the salvage boxes you get through the pledge are only mercs salvage, while the add-ons can be chosen from any of the salvage lines.

LeschNyhan
Sep 2, 2006

Oh, weird, thanks. That's kind of counter-intuitive, but I guess I understand the logic of a single-item box.

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

Comstar posted:

I would pay $50 for proper battletech dice that shows to hit for movement like proper battletech dice should but that’s a bridge too far it seems.


They cost over $100 last time I checked after shipping from Etsy :(

I just used 0.5" x 0.5" labels and blank 16mm dice.

The sheet I made up for it. I can pm a pdf if anyone wants it.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

LeschNyhan posted:

Oh, weird, thanks. That's kind of counter-intuitive, but I guess I understand the logic of a single-item box.

I can see how keeping the pledges locked to merc stuff (both salvage boxes and lance packs) probably streamlines the logistics a bit. A lot of backers will not do add-ons, so then you can prepare those pledges more easily if they are from the kickstarter stuff, not the entire range. But double check, I’m not sure that I am correct on this.

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms
Lotta Summoner slander itt :colbert:

I kid, I basically only know it from Mech2. I think it was my favorite since it was the heaviest mech with Jump Jets in the game. Also it looks rad.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
What exactly is the BATTLETECH: Encounters game? It says its a dice game, but its a card game? Is it a collectable card game like MtG? Can you play it solo? What are the cards- are the individual mechs or what?

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
I think it's just a stand-alone card game. There's an Encounters: Shadowrun game on BGG.

Der Waffle Mous
Nov 27, 2009

In the grim future, there is only commerce.
kinda making weird distinctions between "what was the obvious design heritage" and "what its equipment says it should do" because this is how we get to "The Incubus is the Yen Lo Wang IIC"

PeterWeller
Apr 21, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

I always think of the classic Clan heavies as mashups, more from their aesthetics than their performance.

The Vulture is a skinny Archer with Rifleman arms.

The Loki is a Warhammer built on a Rifleman chassis.

The Thor is a Thunderbolt built on a Warhammer chassis.

The Madcat is, well, you know what the Madcat is.

As for the assaults, I think of the Man o' War as sort of a culmination of what engineers were trying with the Charger and Banshee, the Gargoyle is similarly a culmination of the Victor and Highlander's design ethos, and the Warhawk and Daishi as what happens when you decide to put arms on a Stalker.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
I've probably said this before but I think the 3050 Clan omni designs are really good. A ton of classics in there. Just looks-wise, can't speak to the game performance (I know there are ups and downs). The need to make them workable for early VR technology made the silhouettes read well, imo. And they're a nice mix of 'guy in suit' and 'alien machine'.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
9 hours to go and about 90k away from 7m, so we may cross it after all.

Dr. Lunchables
Dec 27, 2012

IRL DEBUFFED KOBOLD



PoptartsNinja posted:

9 hours to go and about 90k away from 7m, so we may cross it after all.

Well color me shocked but pleased

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
Might drop back to company if it crosses 7m. 4 force packs + buying one seems alright, don't think I need 11! packs

All these packs and not one hunchback though :(

ilmucche fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Apr 20, 2023

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
The Hunchback is in the Urban Battle Lance already.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
It is, I was hoping I could get it as a pick in the kickstarter though. Maybe I can trade someone after the fact

Sidesaddle Cavalry
Mar 15, 2013

Oh Boy Desert Map
So you can't pick the Clan Invasion ForcePacks as add-ons in the backerkit? Might want to take a look at finding them from a store that can deliver to you https://www.amazon.com/Catalyst-Gam...ps%2C136&sr=8-1

Crazy Joe Wilson
Jul 4, 2007

Justifiably Mad!

PoptartsNinja posted:

9 hours to go and about 90k away from 7m, so we may cross it after all.

18,000 left with 7 hours to go. Don't think they'll hit 7.5 million though.

EDIT: Dang, just saw it go up by 6,000 in 5 minutes.

Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:

So you can't pick the Clan Invasion ForcePacks as add-ons in the backerkit? Might want to take a look at finding them from a store that can deliver to you https://www.amazon.com/Catalyst-Gam...ps%2C136&sr=8-1

You can, but you're paying CGL price. Fortress minis and games sells 'em 25% off. Amazon typically sells above MSRP.

Crazy Joe Wilson fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Apr 20, 2023

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Kesper North posted:

IMO the "real" Phoenix Hawk IIC is the Vapor Eagle
The Incubus is basically a light Phoenix Hawk that trades jump jets for more machine guns to empty the bin faster... and puts the guns in a less fragile position.

Crazy Joe Wilson
Jul 4, 2007

Justifiably Mad!

Arquinsiel posted:

The Incubus is basically a light Phoenix Hawk that trades jump jets for more machine guns to empty the bin faster... and puts the guns in a less fragile position.

No lie, I really, really like the Incubus in Alpha Strike. Hits incredibly hard and most very fast. Always takes people by surprise given its small size. I need to get an extra one for my Spirit Cats because I'll use it every game if I can.

Also, 7 mil has been crossed. :toot: Getting two more free forcepacks yay.

Crazy Joe Wilson fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 20, 2023

PeterWeller
Apr 21, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

I like the Vixen as a IIc version of the Stinger/Wasp because it's so very Clan to remove the jump jets and stuff more machine guns in something.

actually3raccoons
Jun 5, 2013



Holy poo poo, they just passed 7 million!

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
11 packs is so many options.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Crazy Joe Wilson posted:

No lie, I really, really like the Incubus in Alpha Strike. Hits incredibly hard and most very fast. Always takes people by surprise given its small size. I need to get an extra one for my Spirit Cats because I'll use it every game if I can.
I've got a whole second line Star made out of the Unseen mechs from that TRO, and it's terrible but I love it.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
Guess we're not getting 8 million.


Does that mean we rejected their batchall?

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Comstar posted:

Does that mean we rejected their batchall?

There’s less shame in a loss than an outright refusal.

SirFozzie
Mar 28, 2004
Goombatta!
Have a feeling late pledges/upgrades will get them over 8 million. They're already at 7.4 million

Dr. Lunchables
Dec 27, 2012

IRL DEBUFFED KOBOLD



Does any of that matter for the actual campaign though?

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Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

Dr. Lunchables posted:

Does any of that matter for the actual campaign though?

There's a stretch goal at 8m that's Blood Asp salvage boxes and the "Somerset Strikers" that has the mechs from the 90s cartoon.

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