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GATOS Y VATOS posted:https://twitter.com/melay_kh/status/1649440136541925378?s=46&t=Mu6ngisnZlTkezPxh7sqCQ 
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Apr 21, 2023 18:02
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I was always lukewarm on dungeons and got sick of them after Twilight Princess but I never stopped loving the overworlds (except for, again, Twilight Princess)
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Apr 21, 2023 18:02
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:https://twitter.com/melay_kh/status/1649440136541925378?s=46&t=Mu6ngisnZlTkezPxh7sqCQ https://youtu.be/eaDeTV-LLYA
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Apr 21, 2023 18:13
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How did you find footage of my BoTW playthrough?
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Apr 21, 2023 18:25
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I''m another one whose not really a big dungeon person, but I did really enjoy some like Ice Yeti Mansion and the ship from Skyward Sword so maybe I just prefer when they have a bit more furnishing then just being a dungeon? I loved me some Hyrule Castle in BoTW, hoping they bring that good energy to whatever is cooking here in Tears.
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Apr 21, 2023 18:27
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LividLiquid posted:Okay? You're allowed to find different things fun than I do. You're right, but I also find your takes perplexing, because plenty of games have better stories and overworlds than Zelda (except BotW on the overworld front) and the thing that makes Zelda Zelda is the puzzle-box dungeons. So yeah, enjoy what you enjoy, but I'm surprised you gravitate towards this series in particular given your stated preferences.
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Apr 21, 2023 18:30
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Caidin posted:I loved me some Hyrule Castle in BoTW, hoping they bring that good energy to whatever is cooking here in Tears. Hyrule Castle in BoTW felt like the dev team were doing their best Dark Souls riff. I don't think they entirely succeeded, but I am glad it exists and I hope they iterate on it in some way in the new game.
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Apr 21, 2023 18:44
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keep thinking I need to find a horse but the ones near the dueling peaks stables kept bucking me off and I haven't found any since
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Apr 21, 2023 18:46
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I like the sound of torches crackling with a cavey echo.
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Apr 21, 2023 18:56
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Unlucky7 posted:Hyrule Castle in BoTW felt like the dev team were doing their best Dark Souls riff. I don't think they entirely succeeded, but I am glad it exists and I hope they iterate on it in some way in the new game. It had a very open ended approach much like the rest game I appreciated. Do you wanna charge the front gate like a badass? Fine. You wanna go in from underneath by this cave excavation? Sure. Secret passsages, climb the walls like a monkey, fly in a log like Mercenary Tao, get on top of the giant pillars and air drop in! It was neat, and there was a lot to poke around in there that cool to find like the journals and treasure.
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Apr 21, 2023 19:00
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LividLiquid posted:Okay? You're allowed to find different things fun than I do. disagree
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Apr 21, 2023 19:06
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In this thread we believe in Democratic Centralism and everyone needs to stick to the line once the debate has been settled.
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Apr 21, 2023 19:31
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Mark me as someone who loves exploring areas in Zelda games but really hates solving puzzles in dungeons.
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Apr 21, 2023 19:31
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I like the overworld and the dungeons
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Apr 21, 2023 19:34
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I like Zelda games
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Apr 21, 2023 19:41
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I have no dislike towards traditional Zelda dungeons but I think BOTW did the right thing by not featuring any but replacing them with a bunch of micro- and mini-dungeons and focusing on overworld exploration instead. That served this particular game well. I wouldn't mind seeing some traditional dungeons again in TOTK, but at this point I trust the devs regardless.
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Apr 21, 2023 19:47
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Caidin posted:get on top of the giant pillars and air drop in! This is what I did, but not for any strategic reason - I just walked up, saw the gaping chasm between me and the castle, and figured that was just how you got in and there was no main gate without looking for one  Between that and Zora-ing up the waterfalls I skipped probably 2/3rds of the castle my first time playing it, glad I went back later to properly explore
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Apr 21, 2023 19:52
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I like exploring Zelda overworlds, but by God do they like making them vectors for especially unfun traversal mechanics and minigame gimmicks. I could tolerate the boat in Phantom Hourglass, I could tolerate the train in Spirit Tracks, but gently caress the Tears of Light bits in Skyward Sword, the Eldin forced stealth section is what made me give up on that game
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Apr 21, 2023 19:54
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Majora’s Mask makes exploring the inside of the castle fun since it stops aggro of everything in there other than Guardians and Lynels.
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Apr 21, 2023 19:57
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Albatrossy_Rodent posted:You're right, but I also find your takes perplexing, because plenty of games have better stories and overworlds than Zelda (except BotW on the overworld front) and the thing that makes Zelda Zelda is the puzzle-box dungeons. So yeah, enjoy what you enjoy, but I'm surprised you gravitate towards this series in particular given your stated preferences. The series perfectly encapsulates the feeling of leaving your house after your Saturday morning cartoons all excited about an entire weekend to do with as you please, heading into the woods, and swinging a stick around like a sword as you explore and adventure. It's a childhood imagination simulator. When the dungeons feel like an extension of that, I like them, and when they feel completely disconnected from the adventure, it feels like they're making me stop the thing I was enjoying. All they need to do to get me on board is either let me tackle them in any order at (within reason) any time, or failing that, take out the loading screens and everything else that makes them feel like a video game level. Preferably both. But another way they can make them enjoyable is by connecting them to the story of the world. The history. The lore. Something. The Forest Temple is a great example of this and I adore it. But when they're just a bunch of puzzle rooms (why are they there? Who made these puzzles? Why did they make them?) There's nothing to sink my teeth into. It's just video game poo poo, and the rest of the gameplay is far more interesting to me. Another piece of this is that I may enjoy them the first time through just fine, but they're what makes me avoid replaying a lot of the games as often as I'd like to. They just get in the way of what I want to actually do. I already solved those puzzles. Even when I try like hell to meet you all where you live on this topic, I can only do it once. Hope that helps you understand. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Apr 21, 2023 |
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Apr 21, 2023 20:12
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LividLiquid posted:When the dungeons feel like an extension of that, I like them, and when they feel completely disconnected from the adventure, it feels like they're making me stop the thing I was enjoying. All they need to do to get me on board is either let me tackle them in any order at (within reason) any time, or failing that, take out the loading screens and everything else that makes them feel like a video game level. Preferably both. Y’know, this got me thinking - in the gameplay trailer we saw icons for caves on the minimap, and they were presented in such a way that suggested that they’d be replacing shrines. We also saw Aonuma go into one of said caves with no loading screen or pause of any kind. Since shrines were supposed to be mini-dungeons, this kinda makes me feel like you’ll at least partially get your wish here, with the caves being seamless mini-dungeons in TotK. I certainly hope so!
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Apr 21, 2023 20:18
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LividLiquid posted:The overworld parts of Zelda are just that good. I don't know what to tell you. It does, actually, and I'm glad you replied. For me, the overworld sections often don't give me enough information about what me goal is, and I find myself confused as to what to do next (not BotW, obviously, the aimlessness is often the point of that one). So when I'm fighting enemies and poo poo, I often end up frustrated because I don't know if the thing I'm moving towards is a dead end. The dungeons, however, generally have a clear goal, and (with few exceptions) you don't need to leave a dungeon once you enter. The dungeon is the entire universe until you complete it, so figure out how it works. I agree with you on the story/lore stuff to a point. The Ancient Cistern in SS is my favorite dungeon precisely because it has a story within it. Not a deep one, but the realization that beautiful Buddhist temple is built on top of Actual Hell is great. But if there is no story, I am more than content with vibes. Who made these puzzles and why? People did, because they were born into a puzzle-based universe. If you had an incredibly powerful microscope, you'd discover that the atoms that make up Hyrule have locks and switches. It's just what Hyrule is.
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Apr 21, 2023 20:37
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I actually like it when dungeons (and equivalent) are separate and distinct. There's a sort of "language" used by designers in how they craft dungeons and puzzles, and the best ones feel as if you're to interpret what the designer is trying to tell you. Story justification or no, they're meant to be these little puzzle boxes you tinker and toy with, knowing that there is a right answer, and you just need to figure it out After awhile you can enter a room for the first time and just sort of instinctively know which way is the intended direction, which way probably leads to optional chests, which mysterious buttons and doodads can be ignored until later, etc. It's a cool feeling, like you're in sync with the creators It's a completely different skillset to design an open puzzle that can be approached from multiple directions and solved in ways the designer never expected. Similarly, it's a much different feeling when you solve that kind of puzzle, more of a "Ah, that worked? How clever!" as opposed to "Aha! I figured it out, I'm the smartest Hylian alive!" Both are great feelings and I love that Zelda prioritizes giving us heaping scoops of both. Each game just changes up the ratio a bit and to be clear LividLiquid, you can obviously enjoy the game however you want, nobody actually is challenging you and you definitely don't need to justify yourself. Most gamers don't even bother analyzing why a game does or doesn't work for them, and it's cool that you are really keyed into yourself like that
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Apr 21, 2023 20:52
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I’m 38 so A Link to the Past was a big game in my childhood (I was too young to be good at 1 or 2 but certainly remember playing them) and from there on out a lot of it is just watching how that series evolves and where they take that lore that had an early impression on me.
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Apr 21, 2023 20:54
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A good Zelda dungeon should have the same appeal as a good Metroidvania, which is the same combination of mild frustration and zen-like detached concentration as untangling knotted Christmas tree lights. Really it's a hyper-concentrated version of the sensation a good overworld gives you, a sense of blind bumbling around slowly giving way to growing familiarity and comprehension as you bounce back and forth from one bit of progress to the next.
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Apr 21, 2023 21:03
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xnqCc1g74
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Apr 21, 2023 21:05
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Vitamean posted:keep thinking I need to find a horse but the ones near the dueling peaks stables kept bucking me off and I haven't found any since Ice arrows and stamina food.
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Apr 21, 2023 21:11
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Anyone else holding out hope that we go to the moon a la Majora's Mask in a really trippy final level/secret area? I'd love to see an appearance from the skullkid. Speaking of skulls, a couple skulltula houses would be amazing as well.
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Apr 21, 2023 21:17
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Captain Hygiene posted:I don't like the horses in this game at all, I also ignore them most of the time. The master cycle is way better, and looks rad as hell bringing it into the final boss fight. Wtf I didn't even think about summoning the bike. I ended up just running around on foot and taking the last shot with Revali's Gale.
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Apr 21, 2023 21:17
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LividLiquid posted:The overworld parts of Zelda are just that good. I don't know what to tell you. Did you ever crawl around inside of drainage tunnels, ditches, weird pipes, crawl in the storm drains or anything? Dungeons give me that childhood feeling of exploring a dark, mysterious, forbidden, dangerous place you have to lie to your mom and say you got wet and filthy some other way.
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Apr 21, 2023 21:23
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I really like being able to explore places that feel hidden and enclosed, like dungeons or deep forests and things. The feeling of finding secret places is helped by the presence of the populated, open areas of the overworld. BOTW didn't have that vibe as much for me. Basically everything was exposed out to the sky so fewer places felt like hidden mysteries that I was finding my way into or through. The Shrines were too much of an abstracted environment that felt separate from the rest of the world instead of a part of it. The Korok Forest, the permanently dark shadow place north of it and the Forgotten Temple did have the vibes.
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Apr 21, 2023 21:23
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Tokelau All Star posted:Wtf I didn't even think about summoning the bike. I ended up just running around on foot and taking the last shot with Revali's Gale. It's great, rolling around and doing tricks around a giant neon monster adds a whole new feel to the fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmDoZ0dRqKg&t=92s
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Apr 21, 2023 21:29
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Asterite34 posted:A good Zelda dungeon should have the same appeal as a good Metroidvania, which is the same combination of mild frustration and zen-like detached concentration as untangling knotted Christmas tree lights. Really it's a hyper-concentrated version of the sensation a good overworld gives you, a sense of blind bumbling around slowly giving way to growing familiarity and comprehension as you bounce back and forth from one bit of progress to the next. Khanstant posted:Did you ever crawl around inside of drainage tunnels, ditches, weird pipes, crawl in the storm drains or anything? Dungeons give me that childhood feeling of exploring a dark, mysterious, forbidden, dangerous place you have to lie to your mom and say you got wet and filthy some other way.
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Shiroc posted:I really like being able to explore places that feel hidden and enclosed, like dungeons or deep forests and things. The feeling of finding secret places is helped by the presence of the populated, open areas of the overworld. This is basically what I was talking about when I mentioned looking forward to the caves in TotK. I like the idea of finding holes to go down and seeing where they lead and hope that TotK has a lot of things like this (since we still don't have a very strong grasp of how the caves/underworld stuff will work).
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Apr 21, 2023 21:32
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Runcible Cat posted:Ice arrows and stamina food. lmao wtf, even if it doesn't hurt them (and I recognize that they are, in fact, not real) I could never do that just sneak up on them and bash Soothe like it's a Mario Party minigame. Every press is counted, even if it doesn't play a sound or animation The Ganondorf horse has the highest to-catch stamina (30 presses) and he can be grabbed with just one Stamina upgrade, everything else can be done from the start Gwely Mernans posted:Anyone else holding out hope that we go to the moon a la Majora's Mask in a really trippy final level/secret area? brother, I am so convinced this is going to happen I'd bet money on it if I could
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Apr 21, 2023 21:43
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Runcible Cat posted:Ice arrows and stamina food. i'm like two divine beasts and an extra stamina circle separated from this event the main issue is I haven't run across any horses since that time
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Apr 21, 2023 21:53
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Khanstant posted:Did you ever crawl around inside of drainage tunnels, ditches, weird pipes, crawl in the storm drains or anything? Dungeons give me that childhood feeling of exploring a dark, mysterious, forbidden, dangerous place you have to lie to your mom and say you got wet and filthy some other way. All the loving time, I used to adventure in the crawlspace underneath one of the houses I lived in as a kid even though my mom hated it, but those were my Zelda Dungeons. I did that a lot until I found my the body of cat and her litter of kittens under there and it hosed me up royally because some piece of poo poo intentionally poisoned them. 
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Apr 21, 2023 21:53
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Gwely Mernans posted:Anyone else holding out hope that we go to the moon a la Majora's Mask in a really trippy final level/secret area? When BOTW came out I kept saying "I wish we had gotten sky islands that lead up to the moon" and, well, we're halfway there already.
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Apr 21, 2023 22:25
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Shiroc posted:In this thread we believe in Democratic Centralism and everyone needs to stick to the line once the debate has been settled. “I never agreed to that.” I say, as I shoulder my hammer, the goalposts flickering red next to me.
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Three weeks to go holy poo poo
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