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Rakeris posted:https://www.tweaktown.com/news/91154/nvidia-is-reportedly-slowing-geforce-rtx-4070-production-due-to-low-sales/index.html shocked drat pikachu, who knew 600+ dollar gpus don't sell.
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wargames posted:shocked drat pikachu, who knew 600+ dollar gpus don't sell. Low sales? Lower the price? No, false scarcity!
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Arrath posted:Low sales? Honestly EVGA got out when the getting was good.
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Apr 21, 2023 23:32
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The 4070S and 4080S are probably going to be pretty great, what's the ETA at this point? Took 9 months to go from the lame $599 2070 to the decent $499 2070 Super.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1649401870249771008?t=avA1K6tOigs3zD25zYfT2Q&s=19
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Arrath posted:Low sales? It's not really scarcity if you can just buy one in a store for MSRP. It is NVidia saying "Is the pricing wrong? No, people just need time to figure out what a good deal it is!" which, you know, good luck
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Lockback posted:It's not really scarcity if you can just buy one in a store for MSRP. It is NVidia saying "Is the pricing wrong? No, people just need time to figure out what a good deal it is!" which, you know, good luck Fair, call it "preventing overstock" or whatever. Doesn't change how lame this all is.
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Apr 21, 2023 23:48
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Lockback posted:Minimum i7 9700? The environments trailer looks a little better than the gameplay trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqSJyWeZSY8 They say they're using the full UE5.1 suite with Lumen and Nanite, but they don't seem to be making very impressive use of it. Like, it's okay? Pretty decent for fully real-time lighting even, but the requirements still seem heavy for the visuals.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The environments trailer looks a little better than the gameplay trailer:
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Twerk from Home posted:The 4070S and 4080S are probably going to be pretty great, what's the ETA at this point? Took 9 months to go from the lame $599 2070 to the decent $499 2070 Super.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The environments trailer looks a little better than the gameplay trailer: It's like somebody crossed Myst with Star Citizen ("EMERGENT RIVERS GAMEPLAY!!!!")
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The environments trailer looks a little better than the gameplay trailer: For some reason the art is giving me huge 90's FMV game vibes. Like Myst or somesuch. Parts of it look real good but other bits appear to be from a game that came out a few years ago.
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One game channel (I think it was LevelCap?) put out a video recently about an indie game that's told from the perspective of a police bodycam and it hides a lot of the imperfections by stylistically using fisheye lensing and simulated H.264 artifacting to make the graphics look disturbingly realistic. Immortals of Aveum looks really pretty but that eerily realistic found-footage type style feels so much more visceral because of how it looks like you're watching a livestream of real footage. I wonder if we're going to see a trend where developers try to add realism to their visuals by giving that sort of streaming video imperfection.
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A lot of games use film grain for similar reasons
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creepy weird cctv guy simulator 2024
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https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-priced-at-399-us-same-pricing-3060-ti-3070-ti-performance/ The price leaks have been reasonably accurate thus far, except for the 4070, which was quickly corrected to $599. Hopefully this one is accurate too, because even though this should probably be a lower-end SKU anyway, it'll be nice seeing a model number with the same price as last gen. And if this comes true, then it may be another sign that Nvidia is preparing to lower prices on their higher-end cards too. The "3070 Ti performance" part of the rumor is realistic too. That's about a 25% improvement over the 3060 Ti, though the VRAM stagnation is disappointing and could be a problem in the future, especially at 1440p and up. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Apr 22, 2023 |
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Kazinsal posted:One game channel (I think it was LevelCap?) put out a video recently about an indie game that's told from the perspective of a police bodycam and it hides a lot of the imperfections by stylistically using fisheye lensing and simulated H.264 artifacting to make the graphics look disturbingly realistic. Yeah it looks pretty intense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qvVNzsJyB0 https://www.pcgamer.com/unrecord-announcemen/
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Josh Lyman posted:I’m not sure anyone expects Supers this gen. We didn’t have them last gen, just Ti, and the 4070 Ti already exists. I'd say we kind of did have them last gen, but it was done in a much more muddied way. The 3080 12GB is kind of like a Super, in that it has more memory and is faster than the original 3080. And I think some of the plethora of 3060 variants that could be counted as Supers.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The environments trailer looks a little better than the gameplay trailer: Meanwhile, what hobbyists are doing with UE5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_5s4dGmgr8 Obviously we aren't gonna get anything like this in a shipping game in the near future, but it's interesting to see the difference between what we're getting in these early days of UE5 and what is actually possible with the engine. This project is also doing some simulated camera effects to trick your brain into thinking you're seeing camera footage, which makes it seem more real. It's just a lot less heavy-handed about it than Unrecord. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Apr 22, 2023 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Meanwhile, what hobbyists are doing with UE5: that looks incredible goddamn I just whispered "how the gently caress..." repeatedly for a few minutes - the first thing that really tipped me off that it wasn't "real" was some pop-in on the shadows at about 2:10 and again at 3:00 still, that's really impressive. Can we get Skyrim looking like this?
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The environments trailer looks a little better than the gameplay trailer: Modded Skyrim with shades of Far Cry 3 looking rear end video Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Meanwhile, what hobbyists are doing with UE5: Okay now that is badass but would give me motion sickness I think
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Meanwhile, what hobbyists are doing with UE5: I'm too jaded, as soon as I saw that smeary mess over there illusion broken. 
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Both Aveum and that UE5 hobbyist project look not super impressive, they're leaning too far into the hyper-real which causes your eyes to pick out the inconsistencies such as how the smoke from the chimney disappates into nothing instead of being a steadily rising haze, the water in both projects looks like poorly defined poo poo, etc. Aveum looks way the gently caress worse than the other, EA is going to spend a shitpile of money for a complete dogshit game, since the gameplay is as inspired as the graphics, and we're all here to laugh at it. VVV Pretty much, that bodycam game even though it was likely "gameplay" did a better job of fooling me into believing it was realistic via sound design, actor/camera movement/distortion, and faint artifacting you'd see on a lovely bodycam than either of the other 2. There were definitely some smeared textures and you can find lots of problems if you pick through it, but the artifacting covered for it in the moment. orange juche fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Apr 22, 2023 |
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You're describing the uncanny valley basically, and it's gonna be an issue with a lot of ue5 projects that try to go for realism
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Meanwhile, what hobbyists are doing with UE5: Yeah that camera trick makes it look identical to any one of those 4k city walking tour channels on YouTube, very cool.
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wargames posted:shocked drat pikachu, who knew 600+ dollar gpus don't sell. welcome to the death spiral of more expensive GPUs -> less GPUs sold -> shitter PC AAA games -> go back to 1
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Twerk from Home posted:The 4070S and 4080S are probably going to be pretty great, what's the ETA at this point? Took 9 months to go from the lame $599 2070 to the decent $499 2070 Super. Lol, value? Not on my watch
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The problem with that is that the 4080 Noctua that I so covet will never come down in price, ever.
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Google Butt posted:Yeah that camera trick makes it look identical to any one of those 4k city walking tour channels on YouTube, very cool. A Rambalac walking simulator game would be so nice
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The grass at the beginning of that Aveum vid looks like it was animated in flash, it has that cheap looking effect of stretching back and forth instead of swaying naturally (which the trees behind seem to do). Same with the pale foliage in the second scene. Definitely one of those uncanny valley triggers where they'd be better off leaving it static if they can't manage realistic motion.SwissArmyDruid posted:I'm too jaded, as soon as I saw that smeary mess over there illusion broken. Yeah for as good as most of it was (that lake view  ), there were some noticeably crap parts. What really got me though was how choppy the video was, genuinely hard to watch at points. And why go to all that trouble then only upload 1080p/30Hz.
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i don't get how you aim in that bodycam game without the weapon being locked to the center of the screen, or a diegetic laser sight, or anything like that does it just have really aggressive aim assist? https://twitter.com/esankiy/status/1649104852704690178
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repiv posted:i don't get how you aim in that bodycam game without the weapon being locked to the center of the screen, or a diegetic laser sight, or anything like that now THAT is amazing.
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maybe it's going to be one of those 90s games like A Fork In the Tale with Rob Schneider or Silent Steel where you select choices and it plays out results?
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SwissArmyDruid posted:The problem with that is that the 4080 Noctua that I so covet will never come down in price, ever. Make your own. Strapping a12x25s to a GPU is a time honored tradition. (Or t30s, or p12s...)
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I know we meme constantly about people who say pc gaming will die, and I don't think it will either, but they sure are doing their best to make that happen with... you know... *gestures at the entire market* The combination of huge gpu price increases, financial recession, general crash in tech employment as a whole (who are by far the main buyers of these parts), and then the stark realization that UE5 is going to be too much for the vast majority of consumer cards to handle, is a hell of a development. Also, I'm not saying this is deliberate but it's very upsetting how quickly the entire world economy is pivoting to essentially drop the bottom 80% of humans out of the economy. The GPU situation mirrors what is occurring across the globe in almost every sector. Palladium posted:welcome to the death spiral of more expensive GPUs -> less GPUs sold -> shitter PC AAA games -> go back to 1 100%, it's a positive feedback loop. The only saving grace here is that UE5 is designed to facilitate creating a smooth-ish end product for all platforms. Therefore, for now, it still makes sense to throw PC gaming a bone. But that reverts more by the day and the mechanism of the positive feedback mean there is no obvious way to stop the decline. Kind of like how we're coming to a baseline consensus that we can't stop climate change; it's not just the situation itself, its how the various components strengthen each other to make a really lovely unified whole and effectively prevent solving it.
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dlss only works as a performance crutch for devs if people can buy your dang gpu's, too i guess that's the danger of next gen having vastly more memory as well, if it means devs just shovelling stuff into 12/16 gb of vram
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I'm only on PC for wow, everything else is on PS5 now. Too many lovely PC ports.
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PC gaming is going to be fine. AAA gaming is not. What was the last AAA release on any platform that was actually good? Like something that you would put on a list of games that someone has to have experienced? It's been loving years, the industry is collapsing. Almost all the top-rated games now are produced by small to midsized teams with no to midsized marketing budgets. Those type of titles tend to not be super demanding. That's probably more than anything else what is helping consumers avoid buying overpriced GPUs. There just isn't a need for them, and it's been going on long enough that people's FOMO is fading. I think part of it is a shift where the industry is having to adapt to multiple new things and doing so badly because it's always been a high profit margin industry that never truly targeted being efficient and adapting particularly well. We'll eventually see some big budget games that have that "must play" pop to them again, but it'll probably be a few more years. K8.0 fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Apr 22, 2023 |
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SwissArmyDruid posted:The problem with that is that the 4080 Noctua that I so covet will never come down in price, ever. It's basically my benchmark now, so either it comes way down or I wait for something in the 5000 series that hits that mark.
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