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oh and meth testing! who could forget that bullshit lmao
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Progressive JPEG posted:oh and meth testing! who could forget that bullshit lmao Only for the protection of personal property rights though; we can't have safety testing on actual drugs for people who would consider using a drug as they're just not worth helping
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Apr 20, 2023 21:34
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Always pissed me off when I would see a huge billboard of a real estate agent's face. Getting billboard money for being a glorified used car salesman
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Apr 20, 2023 21:52
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the agent for the place we bought keeps showing up on the back of busses around here i was trying to forget you, mister 'hey i know we're signing stuff now but why not throw another 5k in'
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Apr 20, 2023 22:40
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Yeah I hate that poo poo too. No making a lot of money out of your parasitic industry doesn’t make you a celebrity
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Apr 21, 2023 00:02
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Worked for Donald Trump and John Key
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Apr 21, 2023 00:37
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this is a slander on honest banker and everyday bloke John Key
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Apr 21, 2023 02:09
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I've never met and do not know anything about any of those women, but can guarantee that if I did I would viscerally hate every single one of them. Just looking at that is making me angry.
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Apr 21, 2023 03:27
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ledge posted:I've never met and do not know anything about any of those women, but can guarantee that if I did I would viscerally hate every single one of them. It's like the goatse magic eye, just unfocus your eyes and all you will see is the gaping rear end in a top hat in the centre.
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Apr 21, 2023 03:38
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Somebody explain to me why this is bad or why right wing idiots are pretending it is bad please https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131835316/pm-chris-hipkins-defends-meng-foons-donations-to-kiri-allan
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Apr 21, 2023 03:46
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Human Rights Commission is just too woke, you see
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Apr 21, 2023 03:49
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left-wingers taking bribes shows their hypocrisy while right-wingers taking bribes shows their business acumen.
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Apr 21, 2023 03:54
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What can you even do with $10k these days. National were bribed ten times that amount
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Apr 21, 2023 04:55
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Ghostlight posted:left-wingers taking bribes shows their hypocrisy while right-wingers taking bribes shows their business acumen. Look, this will just make Labour beholden to his radical extremist idea of not doing a racism. Now we can’t have our politicians be seen to be influenced in this way.
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Apr 21, 2023 05:13
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/488574/more-green-members-criticise-kerekere-say-bullying-targeted-maori-pasifika love this greens drama so much
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Apr 24, 2023 04:08
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did you guys know that it's easier for green members to vote their party out of existence than it is for them to agree a remit at party conference 
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Apr 24, 2023 06:13
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exmarx posted:did you guys know that it's easier for green members to vote their party out of existence than it is for them to agree a remit at party conference
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Apr 24, 2023 06:34
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/488602/thousands-sign-cancer-patient-s-petition-to-stop-medicine-import-ban if they can't even manage the transition of the caged egg ban then what a fuckin sick joke this'll turn out to be
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Apr 24, 2023 10:27
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IDGI what do egg farmers have to do with medicine imports?
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Apr 24, 2023 11:23
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klen dool posted:IDGI what do egg farmers have to do with medicine imports? The flu vaccine, among a bunch of others, is grown in chicken eggs. But no I suspect OP is pointing to an example of government incompetence in one area to suggest they are incapable of managing something significantly more complex in another area.
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Apr 24, 2023 11:44
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bike tory posted:The flu vaccine, among a bunch of others, is grown in chicken eggs. The govts incompetence had nothing to do with the egg farming industry failing to transition away from cages. Why is it the govts responsibility to do that? I guess that's beside the point though - it's the banning of certain medicines that's the issue here
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Apr 24, 2023 12:24
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klen dool posted:The govts incompetence had nothing to do with the egg farming industry failing to transition away from cages. Why is it the govts responsibility to do that? I guess that's beside the point though - it's the banning of certain medicines that's the issue here The word ban is a bit misleading, the bill would require medications to meet certain standards before it can be imported quote:in the case of a medicine, about its safety, quality, and efficacy quote:A person may be able to import, supply, or export a therapeutic product that does not have a market authorisation if they have a licence or permit, or a provision of subpart 3 of Part 3 allows them to do so. The woman in the article is importing a generic version of a cancer drug that is in use in New Zealand. As a known drug, it likely meets the same standards and the expensive testing hasn't been done to show this. If it doesn't meet those standards then letting people take it is dangerous. The potentially more complex issue that is raised in the articles is advertising. People with serious medical conditions are extremely vulnerable to potential "cures". Is a givealittle page advertising? on balance, probably not. I would be willing to bet that if a legislative exception was made for such sites that they quickly would become so. It is worth keeping in mind that New Zealand and the US are the only two countries that allow pharmaceutical companies to advertise directly to consumers. We also suck at enforcing existing laws around health supplements using careful wording to claim medical value. The bill is replacing one written in 1981 which is not fit for purpose. It may very well have issues that need to be fixed with amendments. Assuming that the people who benefit most from the current legislation are the less than 50 who are importing tagrix from Bangladesh is naive. I totally agree about the egg industry. SAFE are constantly surprising me with how effective their mix of campaigning and activism has been.
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Content to Hover posted:I totally agree about the egg industry. SAFE are constantly surprising me with how effective their mix of campaigning and activism has been. The government is terrified of them. They get monitored almost like a terrorist group lol
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bike tory posted:The government is terrified of them. They get monitored almost like a terrorist group lol Understandable, one of the countries primary industries is the exploitation of animals. SAFE represent a far greater threat to capital than extremists with guns.
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The Therapeutic products bill is desperately needed to rein in the loving awful 'supplements' industry we have in NZ. That said banning buyers clubs such as the one in the article is very problematic because frankly Medsafe is poo poo, slow and incredibly expensive so getting registration for many generic drugs is simply not going to happen.
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Saros posted:The Therapeutic products bill is desperately needed to rein in the loving awful 'supplements' industry we have in NZ. That said banning buyers clubs such as the one in the article is very problematic because frankly Medsafe is poo poo, slow and incredibly expensive so getting registration for many generic drugs is simply not going to happen. A layman's reading of the bill suggests that it leaves a path for such groups, though they would need to apply for a "provisional authorisation" if the medicine has not been registered yet. How slow that process would be is unknown, I imagine for Tagrix it could be quicker as we have Osimertinib available as Tagrisso already.
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Its $10,000 (low risk, not many medicines would be that people actually want) to $70,000 for provisional consent and can take 6-18 months. Only the manufacturer is able to supply the required information (detailed GMP data) and none of them will pay the fee and put in the effort to compile a NZ specific dossier, its a huge problem already and just doesn't happen for a lot of medicines because the market size is so small.
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Saros posted:Its $10,000 (low risk, not many medicines would be that people actually want) to $70,000 for provisional consent and can take 6-18 months. I read it as leaving various options open if needed, there is a section on exemptions The Bill (379) Exemptions posted:The Regulator may exempt— The Bill (380) Compliance posted:However, the Regulator need not comply with subsection (3) if satisfied on reasonable grounds that making the instrument without consultation is necessary because of a risk to any individual of death, serious injury, or serious illness. This isn't to say that I think it would avoid bureaucracy in practice or have the funding or staffing to work, just that the bill as written allows for workarounds. Again, I am neither a medical or legal expert so my reading might very well be wrong. The issue I see with this legislation is that unless it receives ongoing funding and adjustments as needed it will fail, which will be the justification for something worse. Which is exactly what I would expect given the current rhetoric from National.
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Content to Hover posted:I read it as leaving various options open if needed, there is a section on exemptions You can trust that Saros is very well informed on this particular issue (like actually, this is not tongue in cheek)
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the bill is going to require massive changes to medsafe, so it doesn't make sense to assume they'll keep doing everything in the same way
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Content to Hover posted:The word ban is a bit misleading, the bill would require medications to meet certain standards before it can be imported if a given drug had already been approved for that purpose in say AU, EU, or US, is it still "dangerous" in NZ?
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Yeah technically, basically anything can currently be got via section 25/29 of the medicines act but it's inconvenient as hell for everyone involved. The problem I see with the act is that there are a not insignificant number of edge cases which require Medsafe to be flexible, well resourced and capable of forward thinking which in my extensive experience it is none of these things, ever. Then again the act is overwhelmingly needed and the small stuff can probably eventually be ironed out. Medsafe have surprised me several times this year so it's possible the needed changes are already underway. Also fun fact, the annual amount kiwis spend on basically useless 'supplements' is almost twice the Pharmac budget that pays for every publically funded medicine in the country. Saros fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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a bit out of scope vs pharmacy medicine but are sunscreens still legally treated/regulated as "beauty products"?
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Cosmetics, yup lol. Don't look too hard but the subsidised one almost certainly doesn't live up to it's SPF claims.
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Saros posted:Also fun fact, the annual amount kiwis spend on basically useless 'supplements' is almost twice the Pharmac budget that pays for every publically funded medicine in the country. well there's a reason health 2000 is such a wide reaching franchise, and even when you're in an actual pharmacy it's not like we have the range of OTCs like the USA. instead we gotta wait 2 weeks, pay a gp to google up your symptoms, and you probably get an inferior drug of the same class.
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Capital gains tax is back in the news, basically inland revenue research shows that the richest pay around half the effective tax in comparison to the average person due to capital gains. The timing of the report is terrible, Labour will probably end up repeating their promise not to introduce new taxes and wealth inequality will continue to increase.
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