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I like the redesign Daleks because one of them is supposedly super extra special and has a fancy special name and everything but it never comes up at all. I think it's the yellow one
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Apr 25, 2023 19:24
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The Dalek Eternal!  Also, I appreciate the plan was to have different arms/attachments come out of the panel on the back of them (which is why they’re covered in grooves to slide them around) and that never ever gets used either.
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Apr 25, 2023 19:28
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The New Paradigm Daleks could've been a big deal if Victory of the Daleks wasn't so utterly forgettable.
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Apr 25, 2023 19:38
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I don't think it's the quality of the story so much as devoting a huge chunk of that story to introducing a new design for a monster that's... pretty much unchanged since the 60s. The very first Dalek design is very similar to how they look in 1989 to how they look in 2005 (the two big differences there being the thingies on the dome and putting a light in the eyestalk, both of which I think are pretty effective). They nailed it the first go around. Compare to the Cybermen, who have been reimagined like a dozen times with little fanfare, and with the exception of the OG Mondasian Cybermen which are basically their own thing at this point, I think each go around they do get a little better.
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Apr 25, 2023 21:37
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For me, the biggest issue with the Dalek redesign was: 1) The "neck" section looked like the accordion part of a bendy straw 2) The base beneath the skirt was way too high and way too round. If it was half the height and came to a point, it'd look a whole lot better. I think my favorite comment from Moffat and/or Gatiss was that these Daleks were meant to look "sharp". I think the quote was "they look like if you'd touch them, you'd get cut."
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Apr 25, 2023 22:16
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Jerusalem posted:8th Doctor: All living beings have values, nobody is beyond redemption. I'd love this crossover for so many reasons but I'd also be interested in a story of somebody beyond redemption but I guess Doctor already can't reach that point with the Master or plenty of other eat bastards so probably nothing there.
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Apr 25, 2023 22:38
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Davros1 posted:I think my favorite comment from Moffat and/or Gatiss was that these Daleks were meant to look "sharp". I think the quote was "they look like if you'd touch them, you'd get cut." Which is hilarious because they look like balloons.
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Apr 25, 2023 23:47
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Rochallor posted:I don't think it's the quality of the story so much as devoting a huge chunk of that story to introducing a new design for a monster that's... pretty much unchanged since the 60s. The very first Dalek design is very similar to how they look in 1989 to how they look in 2005 (the two big differences there being the thingies on the dome and putting a light in the eyestalk, both of which I think are pretty effective). They nailed it the first go around. Compare to the Cybermen, who have been reimagined like a dozen times with little fanfare, and with the exception of the OG Mondasian Cybermen which are basically their own thing at this point, I think each go around they do get a little better. disagree but only because the mondasian cybermen voices are amazing and I wish they'd kept that weird inflection style with all of them. just a little kick that keeps them unique from "another killer robot species"
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Apr 25, 2023 23:58
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The_Doctor posted:The Dalek Eternal! Everybody thinks they can redesign the Daleks and it never sticks. How many special weapons Daleks have you seen lately? (I liked the iDaleks...)
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Apr 26, 2023 00:18
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How about a normal Dalek but it's covered in human skin and hair. Does this make them scarier?
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Apr 26, 2023 00:39
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The_Doctor posted:The Dalek Eternal! My theory is that someone actually pulled Moffat to the side and pointed out that having the Daleks be represented as a rainbow line up could result in the wrong types picking it up as symbolism.
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Apr 26, 2023 00:51
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Khanstant posted:How about a normal Dalek but it's covered in human skin and hair. Does this make them scarier? EX-FOL-IATE! EX-FO-LI-ATE!
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Apr 26, 2023 01:19
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Senor Tron posted:My theory is that someone actually pulled Moffat to the side and pointed out that having the Daleks be represented as a rainbow line up could result in the wrong types picking it up as symbolism. RTD would have intentionally done a proper rainbow if they’d told him that.
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Apr 26, 2023 01:23
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The pepperpot design is iconic and all but it gets enough people laughing at them without also making them hunchbacked power rangers
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Apr 26, 2023 01:55
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Random Stranger posted:Everybody thinks they can redesign the Daleks and it never sticks. How many special weapons Daleks have you seen lately? there's a few in the background of the later dalek episodes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIfrEMhtu2o 
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Apr 26, 2023 02:51
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I think it was Asylum of the Daleks they had a bunch of older ones including the heavy weapons one in the background then after that the older ones just started popping up here and there in group shots.
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Apr 26, 2023 03:08
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alexandriao posted:disagree but only because the mondasian cybermen voices are amazing and I wish they'd kept that weird inflection style with all of them. just a little kick that keeps them unique from "another killer robot species" Oh I'm pro Modasian Cybermen for sure if that was unclear. Not only the voices, but the way their mouth open when they start talking and close when they finish, it's so perfectly almost human. The closer to human design is better, but as far as big hulking robot Cyberman goes, I think they've gradually gotten better throughout the years. The perfect Cyberman design is, of course, the Borg from Star Trek and it bugs me that Star Trek got there first. Boxturret posted:I think it was Asylum of the Daleks they had a bunch of older ones including the heavy weapons one in the background then after that the older ones just started popping up here and there in group shots. IIRC when the heavy weapons Dalek first showed up in Asylum it was the original, and sole, prop from Remembrance, so they couldn't do anything much with it since it might fall apart on account of being 25 years old and made out of probably spray paint and hope. I imagine that's why a lot of them were just aimlessly drifting in the back of the shots. Pretty sure they built new classic Daleks for Series 9.
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Apr 26, 2023 03:37
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Love the Mondasian Cybermen, and I think the Big Finish version of their voices combining the original voice with the slightly buzzing modulation of their later Troughton appearances was pitch perfect. It made sense that the 2nd part of Capaldi's Cybermen 2-parter brought the "modern" Cybermen back into the mix but I was sad to see them shift away from the unsettling body horror/terror that is the OG Mondasian look.
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Apr 26, 2023 03:44
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I minded the new paradigm Daleks less than the aesthetics of the Dalek ship in Victory. I have to think the budget ran out and they filmed it in a basement somewhere. There were loving AC ducts in the ceiling, and not even the kind you could crawl into and escape
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Apr 26, 2023 03:45
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Rochallor posted:The perfect Cyberman design is, of course, the Borg from Star Trek and it bugs me that Star Trek got there first. I remember reasoning as a kid that the Cybermen looked like the Borg under the silver suits.
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Apr 26, 2023 03:48
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Rochallor posted:IIRC when the heavy weapons Dalek first showed up in Asylum it was the original, and sole, prop from Remembrance, so they couldn't do anything much with it since it might fall apart on account of being 25 years old and made out of probably spray paint and hope. I imagine that's why a lot of them were just aimlessly drifting in the back of the shots. Pretty sure they built new classic Daleks for Series 9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAeqxp0SAbM Sorta related but good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsfuxlNCEQo The_Doctor posted:I remember reasoning as a kid that the Cybermen looked like the Borg under the silver suits. "Increasingly shambolic corpses that won't die getting more and more robot parts as what made them human is reduced to an unheard scream" is a way better concept than the "Daleks but with legs" they became. BooDooBoo fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Apr 26, 2023 12:12
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quote isn't edit.
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Apr 26, 2023 12:16
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BooDooBoo posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAeqxp0SAbM Thanks, that was really interesting. I always forget how much prop designers were able to get away with knowing they were shooting on video that would hide a lot of the more obvious imperfections.
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Apr 26, 2023 14:03
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In case anyone was wondering if the Borg were 'inspired' by the cybermen, note that the first ever Borg episode was called 'Q Who?'.
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Apr 26, 2023 14:12
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Unkempt posted:In case anyone was wondering if the Borg were 'inspired' by the cybermen, note that the first ever Borg episode was called 'Q Who?'. They were originally going to be an insect hive mind, and got changed to cyborgs for budget reasons; in addition, there's a lot more proximate American inspiration, like Captain Power.
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Apr 26, 2023 14:17
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Well, I'm struggling to think of any other reason for naming the episode that. Maybe the name was a last minute thing.
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Apr 26, 2023 15:02
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Unkempt posted:Well, I'm struggling to think of any other reason for naming the episode that. Maybe the name was a last minute thing. It rhymes, it's not like "Hide and Q" or "Deja Q" make much sense with the episodes.
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Apr 26, 2023 16:36
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lol Nekromanteia is on the spotify audiobook list https://open.spotify.com/playlist/70puLQMZjSNX1ipuffssbp?si=897a061dab1d45b5
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Apr 27, 2023 22:04
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The_Doctor posted:I’ve been watching Pluto tv’s Classic Who channel and they’ve been going through the Davison/C.Bakes era, and it’s always surprising how gritty some of the stories are, despite the cheap sets. Stuff like Vengeance on Varos has a real ‘you’ve come to hell, and you’re all going to suffer’ feeling to it. No one comes out well. You really get a sense of them being influenced by things like 2000 AD and written UK SF and that creeping in as much as a family adventure serial would allow.
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Apr 29, 2023 05:12
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Maxwell Lord posted:You really get a sense of them being influenced by things like 2000 AD and written UK SF and that creeping in as much as a family adventure serial would allow. See, I'd argue that was coming in more around the last two years of McCoy's era, when Andrew Cartmel was the script editor (I believe it was him who advised incoming new writers for the show to read stuff like Alan Moore's "Ballad of Halo Jones" and so forth). A lot of the Colin Baker-era stuff was, IIRC, written by people who were already experienced writers for TV (or ghostwritten by Eric Saward, in at least one case). Older British SF would likely have been an influence on them, but I would think it unlikely that they were reading 2000 AD at the time, as it was generally marketed towards kids (though I'm sure some of the older British comic mags from the 1950s and 1960s likely had some influence). I'd say it it was primarily the loosening of standards as to what could or couldn't be shown on TV that was most likely influencing the DW writers of the C. Baker era (as well as the gritty crime drama movie and TV show imports from the US) in terms of depicting violent scenes. E: I should add that 2000 AD being "marketed towards kids" is not the same as "written for kids". In the mid-1980s, my local comic shop here in the US got a load of the original "newspaper print" format 2000 AD comics (likely from someone's private collection, or some such), and as a teen who was well on their way to becoming an Anglophile due to DW (and Monty Python, and Blackadder, etc. etc.), I snagged them up as soon as I could. Sadly they've been lost to the mists of time (and various moves at different times over the years). I think the earliest issue I had would've been from around 1982 or maybe 1983, but I do recall having some fairly contemporaneous issues as well; I remember reading some of the early Zenith stories by Grant Morrison in my collection. And Zenith and other stuff from 2000 AD at the time (like Nemesis the Warlock, Slaine, and even many of the Judge Dredd stories) were definitely not written for kids. Which made it all the more jarring/amusing to see that stuff in the same magazine with ads aimed directly at kids for various candy and sweets, toys, video games, and movies like "Biggles". 
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Apr 29, 2023 16:34
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https://twitter.com/whovianlife/status/1652372912400113665
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Apr 29, 2023 23:43
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Was that the Doctor's severed hand from The Christmas Invasion!?!
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Apr 30, 2023 03:13
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Jerusalem posted:
It's the same prop, at least.
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Apr 30, 2023 04:05
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I cannot loving wait to see what mad bullshit RTD is getting up to 
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Apr 30, 2023 04:46
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I hope this means we might be getting a bit more tidbits even though we're still far away from the specials airing.
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Apr 30, 2023 04:55
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We’re already doing ARGs and it’s not even really May yet!
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Apr 30, 2023 05:21
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I mean, it can't be the SAME hand because I watched Journey's End recently and that hand regenerated into the half human doctor. edit: im not digging through the episode for a screenshot but it's definitely more of a flashback, that exact frame im pretty sure is taken from Journey's End
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Apr 30, 2023 18:03
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Doctor just keeps cutting hands off, in case of emergency
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Apr 30, 2023 18:08
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How many Doctors can you make by chopping one up?
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Apr 30, 2023 18:32
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Infinitum posted:Doctor just keeps cutting hands off, in case of emergency Star Trek Picard crossover confirmed.
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Apr 30, 2023 19:23
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