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Velocity Raptor posted:This is just speculation, but maybe after seeing how narrow Biden's win was, they're reluctant to put forth anyone who might split the votes and give the win to the GOP. It'd also be somewhat of a cruel grift to try to solicit small-dollar donations for an anti-biden primary campaign when there's no realistic chance of achieving anything with it. Like, you aren't even gonna succeed in pushing him to the left, not this race. Even if Bernie ran, all he'd achieve after the inevitable defeat would be a bunch of newspaper headlines about how "Progressive wave ends? Bernie fails to achieve even a fraction of his 2020 support!" etc. When Bernie ran before he had a realistic chance of either actually winning, pushing the party and the country left, or both. A run this cycle doesn't have much chance of doing either of those things, and could accidentally push the party towards the *right* if a bad loss discredits his legacy. Not running is the smart play for him. Which is fine. He's old and the left needs new younger leadership anyway. Rappaport posted:
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What progressive could even conceivably run against Biden without it being a total humiliation? I don't think anyone besides maybe AOC having anything approaching Sanders' profile.
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the_steve posted:Pete Buttigieg being a disaster isn't going to stop them from continuing to force him on us by any means necessary.
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DarkCrawler posted:What progressive could even conceivably run against Biden without it being a total humiliation? I don't think anyone besides maybe AOC having anything approaching Sanders' profile. Yea, I don't think anyone could try to challenge Biden and actually get him to move left on anything, it would be mostly pissing into the wind. Barely anyone pays attention to a primary with an incumbent running, and some up and comer getting buried by Biden can only hurt them in the future. Better to just build your ground game and wait for 2028 when the field will be wide open again and you can actually stand out. Biden probably wouldn't even bother to do any debates next year if someone does challenge him, there would be no point in it.
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Bernie kept running his other two campaigns past the point where he wasn't a viable candidate but he's shown no sign of being the kind of blatant grifter that would run against Biden. He also isn't an antivaxxer, which seems like a prerequisite based on who has announced.
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IIRC the only declared Democrat primary challenger is RFK Jr, the Qanon weirdo. Also last I recall, Kamala is a Clinton creature (with the KHive even being basically inherited from Hillfolk), and her nomination as VP was a concession to that camp as well as token minority representation. She has very much worn out her welcome from everyone but some of the rusted-on fully delusional diehards at this point, it seems like, and I don't know how much the Clinton camp still has sway. Probably the only reason she'd still be VP on the ticket is out of inertia and this administration characterised by generally not doing anything unless they're actively forced to, and even then.
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Kamala is going to be dropped at the convention. She had her audition for prime time and bungled it.
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Apr 26, 2023 14:11
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Morrow posted:Kamala is going to be dropped at the convention. She had her audition for prime time and bungled it. This is probably cope at this point, even though she does suck as a candidate and brings nothing to the table politically or electorally
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Piell posted:Biden isn't going to swap Vice Presidents I'm honestly not sure which way they'd go with this. On one hand, yeah, she's completely useless for anything other than checking idpol boxes for the brunch crowd, but on the other hand, swapping out veeps could be seen as a sign of weakness. "Yeah, look, we hosed up with Kamala, can we have a 4 year mulligan?" In other news that I just came across on the Twitter Kansas City considers becoming a transgender safe haven in defiance of Missouri laws
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Morrow posted:Kamala is going to be dropped at the convention. She had her audition for prime time and bungled it. I think Biden likes having her around. She had to put herself into lovely tasks, also I'm sure he was happy Obama didn't drop him.
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Nonsense posted:I think Biden likes having her around. She had to put herself into lovely tasks, also I'm sure he was happy Obama didn't drop him. I don't think Biden was flailing as much as Harris has been with the VP role. If nothing else, I don't remember unhappy Biden gossip at the level of whatever is leaking out about Harris' camp's morale.
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Morrow posted:Kamala is going to be dropped at the convention. She had her audition for prime time and bungled it. Not gonna happen lmao
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Yeah the last time an incumbent VP got dropped from a ticket was 80 years ago and it was done because Wallace was too friendly with the Soviets. Kamala ain't goin' nowhere
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Dems deciding not to run against the sitting president on his reelection is probably for the best. Hopefully we get some new blood in for 2028. Like, a spry 65 year old.
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Push El Burrito posted:Dems deciding not to run against the sitting president on his reelection is probably for the best. Hopefully we get some new blood in for 2028. Like, a spry 65 year old. Barack Obama!
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Voters don't vote for the Vice President and there is no electoral incentive to change.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:IIRC the only declared Democrat primary challenger is RFK Jr, the Qanon weirdo. The other antivaxxer primary challenger is Marianne Williamson.
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Kamala seems almost depressed to be where she is and I don't think she will run after Biden, anyone planning that would be doing something more. But she won't be dropped from the Biden ticket.
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Push El Burrito posted:Dems deciding not to run against the sitting president on his reelection is probably for the best. Hopefully we get some new blood in for 2028. Like, a spry 65 year old. Everyone's all in on Gretchen Whitmer '28 right now. She'll be 55.
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Rappaport posted:Bernie endorses Sleepy Joe, will not run for president in 2024 (link to AP news) I agree with him, honestly - I feel like to the extent progressives are going to make political gains in the next election, it will come through winning seats in Congress (primarying conservadems and beating republicans where possible) rather than pursuing a failed presidential run, and we should be focusing on fundraising and organizing to that end instead. Mooseontheloose posted:Voters don't vote for the Vice President and there is no electoral incentive to change. Honestly, that is the incentive to change? He could put someone useful in the position and the average voter wouldn't notice or care. The problems are with political alliances, if anything.
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It's not surprising but still disappointing. Biden was barely elected in 2020 in large part due to the massive rising tide of radical anti-Trump sentiment. Bernie did his part by directing that tide into Biden's camp. And now it feels like they've spent the last two years trying to calm that tide, to get things back to "normal". But under Biden's presidency, we've seen a repeal of Roe v. Wade and multiple state bans on abortion, a growing backlash against LGBT rights, anemic action on domestic policy hampered by members of his own party, a busted rail strike, and increased funding for the police and military. Yeah, Trump winning again is bad news, but once again "not being Trump" is all that Biden has going for him, and he has a lot going against him. I'm not confident that that's going to be a winning case in 2024. Biden is going to need to energize the radical wing of the party again, but he's spent the last two years doing the exact opposite.
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GlyphGryph posted:Honestly, that is the incentive to change? He could put someone useful in the position and the average voter wouldn't notice or care. The problems are with political alliances, if anything. He literally could swap in VP Bernie and see a bump in polling, but Biden has never been that guy, Biden sucks, and we don't live in the kind of world where that is plausible
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Person who previously backed the Leopards Eating Faces Party suddenly concerned that the leopards may eat his own face... https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1651175594791501827?t=_5S24iQjNIVV_Cj-1OUd7g&s=19
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I don't know if "not being Trump" is all that Biden has going for him. Inflation is creeping back down, and the IRA is really only starting to be implemented. We have 18 months for the economy to improve, and considering where people were in November 2020 I could see Biden pulling an inverse Reagan with a "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" to some success Of course the economy could just as easily blow up in the next 18 months in which case, welcome back President Trump!
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Young Freud posted:Person who previously backed the Leopards Eating Faces Party suddenly concerned that the leopards may eat his own face... Weird, I thought I heard this guy was behind some of the anti-trans crap, but it might just be a side effect of his name popping up around republican crap a whole bunch of times.
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"Not being Trump" will become stronger and stronger as both Trump and Republicans become increasingly hosed up amid an approaching election, more legal troubles for Trump, a right-wing media shakeup and other factors. Biden is not the only one who has a record to run on and while his is anemic, it is better than the burning pile of tabloids, secret files, tell-all books and literal insurrection that is the Trump record.
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Oxyclean posted:Weird, I thought I heard this guy was behind some of the anti-trans crap, but it might just be a side effect of his name popping up around republican crap a whole bunch of times. It's likely there are people he donated to who later swung towards anti-trans, thus prompting this "no not like that" announcement
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Failed Imagineer posted:He literally could swap in VP Bernie and see a bump in polling, but Biden has never been that guy, Biden sucks, and we don't live in the kind of world where that is plausible It would also be worse and harmful as that would take Bernie's vote out of the Senate
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Failed Imagineer posted:He literally could swap in VP Bernie and see a bump in polling, but Biden has never been that guy, Biden sucks, and we don't live in the kind of world where that is plausible Putting one of the best senators into a position of powerlessness? I’d think less of Bernie if he took the job, unless we’re rolling the dice on which ancient white man dies first Fister Roboto posted:It's not surprising but still disappointing. Biden was barely elected in 2020 in large part due to the massive rising tide of radical anti-Trump sentiment. Bernie did his part by directing that tide into Biden's camp. And now it feels like they've spent the last two years trying to calm that tide, to get things back to "normal". But under Biden's presidency, we've seen a repeal of Roe v. Wade and multiple state bans on abortion, a growing backlash against LGBT rights, anemic action on domestic policy hampered by members of his own party, a busted rail strike, and increased funding for the police and military. All of these things would get worse under Trump, and started under Trump. 9/9 Supreme Court hearing decisions on abortion and lgbtq rights wooo But being in a blue city in a red state I’m pretty dead to “dems useless” these days. Seeing dems at state level actually do bare minimum stuff to help makes me more than a lil jealous. I’d rather roll the dice on more of that than copium about if just x then dems will pack the courts and pass full communism now when every precedent is that more republicans means more entrenched fascism. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Judgy Fucker posted:I don't know if "not being Trump" is all that Biden has going for him. Inflation is creeping back down, and the IRA is really only starting to be implemented. We have 18 months for the economy to improve, and considering where people were in November 2020 I could see Biden pulling an inverse Reagan with a "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" to some success Also, unemployment is low and as you point out a lot of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill and Inflation Reduction Act are just starting to move through the economy.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Putting one of the best senators into a position of powerlessness? I’d think less of Bernie if he took the job, unless we’re rolling the dice on which ancient white man dies first. Fair, I was kind of assuming Biden would die first but there's no real reason to think that other than my fervent wishing. And I assume Bernie has a handpicked successor in mind for his Senate seat? Not saying they would be anything like as effective as Bernie but they'd have some space to operate
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Since the major knock on Biden this cycle is going to be his age, I don't think it would be a smart idea to pair a guy one year older than him on the ticket.
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It wouldn't really make any sense for Bernie to run in 2024. He couldn't beat Candidate Biden in the primaries, and there's no way he's going to do better against Incumbent Biden in the general. Besides, Biden's policies in office have been far further left than expected. He's far from perfect, of course, but the general dynamic of the Biden administration so far has been leftist policies being blocked, sunk, and watered down by a generally uncooperative Congress. And Bernie knows that very well. A third run would just draw attention and resources away from efforts at putting progressives into Congress, and if there's no real shot at winning then that would be a huge waste. Especially since Bernie is going to be 86 years old in 2028, and the 2028 bench is pretty much wide open with no obvious successor to Biden. There's a few people who have clear shots at it, but there's no way any of them are going to have the field cleared the way Hillary did. That makes this a very good time to focus on raising the profile of other progressives who can run when Bernie isn't able to. Morrow posted:Kamala is going to be dropped at the convention. She had her audition for prime time and bungled it. Absolutely no way in hell. She's not really bringing any benefit to the Biden administration, but she's not particularly hurting it either, and that's a pretty solid place for a VP since it's not like they're really expected to do anything anyway. There is absolutely no way that dropping her would be worth the trouble. Biden is not gonna needlessly rock the boat for 2024.
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https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1651190219444563969 Thinly veiled????? I doubt we'll ever find out a reason, or at least a single reason, behind Tucker's firing - I think it was a confluence of all his BS - but I'm reconsidering it in light of the fact that this would be hilarious: https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/1650964676606324736 Behind a paywall, but the thrust is that his then-wife's fervent Millenarianist interest in Tucker, - including reading passages of Exodus at a dinner with Tucker to back up her assertion he was a kind of messianic figure - is what led to his firing, both because it weirded Rupert out and also firing her favorite TV personality as a gently caress-you to his ex-wife
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