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EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.
negative tradelines can only report for 7 1/2 years, so anything from 2017 only has a few years left of credit reporting at most

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Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



therobit posted:

Look I don’t want to second guess her lawyer but $10k is not worth filing bankruptcy over. Did she actually co-sign on this one or not? If she wasn’t served and didn’t sign it or did not get notified of the debt then it can be unwound. I bet some amount of that is late fees even if it is a valid debt and if she gets the judgment unwound then they may be willing to negotiate once the judgment is vacated. Yes, it’s possible thee is other stuff out there but at this point if it’s not on her credit and she’s not aware of it it isn’t likely to pop up again.

That is my thinking. Her fear is that there is huge amounts of debt out there she doesn’t know about, because she didn’t know about this.

However, she did co-sign this lease. That is why I don’t think there’s anything hosed up about it. Yes, it sucks that when you were in an abusive situation you got coerced into signing a lease that was then broken. But she did sign it. That’s also why she didn’t challenge it.

My only question about it is: how did they make that judgement without ever once contacting her? She didn’t get a letter, a knock on the door, or an email. She learned about it by having her wages garnished? Is that how it works?

Second, is there not a way for her to get a report on everything that is outstanding, debt-wise, from her ex-husband during their marriage? If she can get that, even if there is debt, she can get out ahead of it.

I just think bankruptcy is the nuclear option. If we were talking hundreds of thousands on judgements, yeah sure. But I feel like this is a knee-jerk reaction that is going to bite her (and I) in the rear end for the next decade.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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They almost certainly went through the legal hoops to attempt to serve her then got a default judgment and used that as the lien garnishment. The garnishment is likely occurring because of the judgment, and that should be the first thing challenged.

Now, the challenge against it could get the judgment and garnishment overturned, but it will not necessarily stop the debt collection. This may be why some people have recommended bankruptcy.

You can get loans following a bankruptcy but the interest rates and such will be higher.

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



Mr. Nice! posted:

They almost certainly went through the legal hoops to attempt to serve her then got a default judgment and used that as the lien garnishment. The garnishment is likely occurring because of the judgment, and that should be the first thing challenged.

Now, the challenge against it could get the judgment and garnishment overturned, but it will not necessarily stop the debt collection. This may be why some people have recommended bankruptcy.

You can get loans following a bankruptcy but the interest rates and such will be higher.

Honestly the 10k isn’t a big deal. The concern is “how much more debt there could be?” And “is it worth it to declare bankruptcy?”.

But the fact that there was zero notice of this judgement beforehand is concerning.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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If you’ve got the money to pay off the apartment collections, it might be worth your time to contact an attorney in that jurisdiction to get the judgment overturned and just settle with them for a lump sum. This will be more difficult after final judgment but will also clear the judgment from her record which the bankruptcy will not.

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



Mr. Nice! posted:

If you’ve got the money to pay off the apartment collections, it might be worth your time to contact an attorney in that jurisdiction to get the judgment overturned and just settle with them for a lump sum. This will be more difficult after final judgment but will also clear the judgment from her record which the bankruptcy will not.

She’s contacting her lawyer about that.

What is the best way to go about finding out about any outstanding debt he may have incurred during their marriage that is not on her credit report. And exactly what debt is owed after divorce when married? If he was just taking out payday loans in his name, could she be held liable? Does abuse (which is one charge he is jailed for, both against her and children) allow for some reduced liability?

With all this, assume her ex is the absolute worst person possible who would use both sketchy and outright illegal tactics to get money.

Skunkduster
Jul 15, 2005




I was talking with our UPS driver as well as a driver from a different delivery company and they both say that if they are taking unauthorized breaks or screwing around on the clock, the company calls that "stealing time". Is "stealing time" even an actual legal concept in the sense that it is theft?

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



Not sure if this is the right thread for it, but I just got a parking ticket in Madrid. 90 bloody euros.

The car rental company obviously has my personal and payment info, but if I tell my credit card that the charge is in error and they should not honor it... what happens? I'm not sure what recourse the company has in that care. (Blah blah blah totally honest person in other circumstances, blah blah blah 90 freaking € for an honest mistake)

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I'm not a lawyer but lying to your credit card company sounds like fraud to me
I'm sorry you parked where you weren't supposed to, that sucks, but IMO you should pay the ticket

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Xander77 posted:

Not sure if this is the right thread for it, but I just got a parking ticket in Madrid. 90 bloody euros.

The car rental company obviously has my personal and payment info, but if I tell my credit card that the charge is in error and they should not honor it... what happens? I'm not sure what recourse the company has in that care. (Blah blah blah totally honest person in other circumstances, blah blah blah 90 freaking € for an honest mistake)

Your rental agreement almost assuredly has something saying you agreed to pay all tickets and fines. Your rental agency will show that to your credit card company and they will get your money. You probably won’t be able to rent with that rental agency again and notes will go on your credit card account that you have a history of questionable disputes.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

The car rental company that probably sees a dozen people try to do this every week has probably gamed out a process to get their money far further than you ever will be able to.

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.
My "totally honest person in other circumstances" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt.

E-flat
Jun 22, 2007

3-flat
Do people who are victims/relatives of victims sue the perpetrator? Like, say your kid got murdered. The state brings charges against the fellow who did it, but is there anything stopping you from suing them in addition?

I was thinking about the one of the kids who got shot the other week for ringing a doorbell/driving up the wrong driveway and how I never hear about civil suits against people who do violent crime.

Freudian
Mar 23, 2011

The first thing to do when considering lying to people about money is to post online about it, so well done on getting step one out of the way.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

E-flat posted:

Do people who are victims/relatives of victims sue the perpetrator? Like, say your kid got murdered. The state brings charges against the fellow who did it, but is there anything stopping you from suing them in addition?

I was thinking about the one of the kids who got shot the other week for ringing a doorbell/driving up the wrong driveway and how I never hear about civil suits against people who do violent crime.

Sure. O.J. Simpson's wrongful death suit, for example.

Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008
Are "stand your ground" laws an effective defense in civil suits? I don't know if this applies to any recent murders.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Skunkduster posted:

I was talking with our UPS driver as well as a driver from a different delivery company and they both say that if they are taking unauthorized breaks or screwing around on the clock, the company calls that "stealing time". Is "stealing time" even an actual legal concept in the sense that it is theft?

No

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

E-flat posted:

Do people who are victims/relatives of victims sue the perpetrator? Like, say your kid got murdered. The state brings charges against the fellow who did it, but is there anything stopping you from suing them in addition?

There is not. The thing that usually stops people is that people who get caught doing violent crimes often are what we call “judgment proof” in that they have very little in the way of assets and no job.

These hair-trigger idiots may at least have some form of homeowners / liability coverage so they are more likely to be sued than usual.

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

sullat posted:

No[t yet]

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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Guy Axlerod posted:

Are "stand your ground" laws an effective defense in civil suits? I don't know if this applies to any recent murders.

In FL, yes.

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


Skunkduster posted:

I was talking with our UPS driver as well as a driver from a different delivery company and they both say that if they are taking unauthorized breaks or screwing around on the clock, the company calls that "stealing time". Is "stealing time" even an actual legal concept in the sense that it is theft?
I've interviewed managers about this topic who told me stone faced that "stealing time" (by such outrageous conduct as taking an extra smoke break, being slow to come back from lunch, goofing off) is EXACTLY the same as stealing actual money or any other physical asset from the company.

If they could throw you in jail for it, they would.

Unsurprisingly, it's a very convenient way to get rid of people for ulterior motives. Review old camera footage and clock in/out times and you'll always find some discrepancy or proof of someone being idle on the clock.

Thesaurus fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Apr 25, 2023

Skunkduster
Jul 15, 2005




Thesaurus posted:

I've interviewed managers about this topic who told me stone faced that "stealing time" (by such outrageous conduct as taking an extra smoke break, being slow to come back from lunch, goofing off) is EXACTLY the same as stealing actual money or any other physical asset from the company.

If they could throw you in jail for it, they would.

Unsurprisingly, it's a very convenient way to get rid of people for ulterior motives. Review old camera footage and clock in/out times and you'll always find some discrepancy or proof of someone being idle on the clock.

Is there any recourse for the employee for being falsely accused of theft?

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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Skunkduster posted:

Is there any recourse for the employee for being falsely accused of theft?

:lol: no.

Trapick
Apr 17, 2006

Honestly robbers gotta step it up, those are rookie numbers.

ChickenDoodle
Oct 22, 2020

Thread success story: I told my neighbor to shove their request for money, that they denied the worker from entering to fix their poo poo and now it’s their problem. They actually called him back in because they didn’t know he wasn’t finished. Idiots.

Anyway it’s no longer my problem so thank you Law Goons :angel:

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Trapick posted:

Honestly robbers gotta step it up, those are rookie numbers.

They did, by rebranding as employers

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


Skunkduster posted:

Is there any recourse for the employee for being falsely accused of theft?

Only if they're using it as pretext to fire you for some discriminatory or otherwise unlawful reason (and you can prove it), i suppose.

It's wild how few rights employees have in this country and how hard it is to enforce the few that exist.

Arkhamina
Mar 30, 2008

Arkham Whore.
Fallen Rib
Being active in a union, we (AFSCME) have never had more inquiries about how to unionize workplaces. Successful ones too - a Sourdough bread bakery (80 employees), a game store just in the last few months. Others have been working on getting contracts, the Wisconsin Red Cross nearly struck, and management caved. Getting rules out in writing is good for both sides, and makes for stable workplaces where people stick around. The low unemployment rate helps negotiation.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
A third of Canadian federal employees have been on strike going on ten days now, it’s pretty awesome watching the government gently caress it up so badly.

That Old Ganon
Jan 2, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER
I found a nearby injury lawyer two weeks ago (I wanna say it was the 11th), and they said they'd call me back within 48 hours and tell me if they'd take my case. They didn't. I called them on Tuesday the 25th for a status report and was told their lawyer was in court for all of last week and to expect a call tomorrow. They never called.

Do I give them time or look for another one?

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

That Old Ganon posted:

I found a nearby injury lawyer two weeks ago (I wanna say it was the 11th), and they said they'd call me back within 48 hours and tell me if they'd take my case. They didn't. I called them on Tuesday the 25th for a status report and was told their lawyer was in court for all of last week and to expect a call tomorrow. They never called.

Do I give them time or look for another one?

I’d look for another one OP.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Hypothetical Question:
Our neighbors dogs got out while the neighbor was away. The dogs have gotten out and injured another dog before, so I went to get them back to prevent more attacks.

The dogs are fine with adults and I herded them back and locked them in their yard. They were off-leash, so luckily there weren’t any other neighbors walking their small dogs at the time.

Could I have been held liable if the off-leash dogs attacked another dog/human while I was getting them back? They travelled a fair bit away from their house and were still going when I caught up to them, so arguably I was responsible for turning them back the way they came.

Mainly curious because there’s a good chance this happens again.

sephiRoth IRA
Jun 13, 2007

"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality."

-Carl Sagan
I was curious about liability for airport security.

Going through an EU airport, I did not have documents saying I did not have to put a medical device through an X-ray on my person. I had them on my phone which was in my bag going through the main conveyor. The guy doing security at the metal detector said if I did not immediately have the documents I had to put it through a smaller scanner. He asked why I was worried about the device when he sees people put devices through all the time. I said those people were idiots but he didn’t like that answer and didn’t let me go get the documents.

So I put it through. If it malfunctions later I’ll deal with it then, I’m not too worried about it. Functionally its my own dumb fault for not carrying a paper copy on me, but I was curious- does airport security have the same sort of immunity as cops, where they can do dumb harmful poo poo and avoid any consequence?

If I had something that I needed to be conncected to 100% of the time and the guy would not let me get my documents and I suffered injury, is there liability? Obviously I could sue as much as id like in civil court, but I was thinking from a criminal law perspective whether I could press the issue. I assume I couldn’t, but its a fun way to fantasize about wannabe cop over here swinging his dick and getting in trouble for it.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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That’s going to be specific to the country and area you where flying through. Saying you were in the EU is useless as far as determining liability of any sort because every nation is going to have their own laws.

sephiRoth IRA
Jun 13, 2007

"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality."

-Carl Sagan

Mr. Nice! posted:

That’s going to be specific to the country and area you where flying through. Saying you were in the EU is useless as far as determining liability of any sort because every nation is going to have their own laws.

This was France, through CDG.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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sephiRoth IRA posted:

This was France, through CDG.

Seems like the airline is liable if your carryon luggage is damaged: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/passenger-rights/air/index_en.htm#luggage

I sincerely doubt there is any criminal liability anywhere in the world for the fact pattern you described.

sephiRoth IRA
Jun 13, 2007

"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality."

-Carl Sagan

Mr. Nice! posted:

Seems like the airline is liable if your carryon luggage is damaged: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/passenger-rights/air/index_en.htm#luggage

I sincerely doubt there is any criminal liability anywhere in the world for the fact pattern you described.

Yeah, that makes sense. Like I said, just curious. I’m sure no one has ever died due to a security checkpoint guard being an rear end at a major airport

Thanks for the reply!

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

FrozenVent posted:

A third of Canadian federal employees have been on strike going on ten days now, it’s pretty awesome watching the government gently caress it up so badly.

Why don't they just make it illegal to strike and then fire all the striking workers?

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

Democratic Pirate posted:

Hypothetical Question:
Our neighbors dogs got out while the neighbor was away. The dogs have gotten out and injured another dog before, so I went to get them back to prevent more attacks.

The dogs are fine with adults and I herded them back and locked them in their yard. They were off-leash, so luckily there weren’t any other neighbors walking their small dogs at the time.

Could I have been held liable if the off-leash dogs attacked another dog/human while I was getting them back? They travelled a fair bit away from their house and were still going when I caught up to them, so arguably I was responsible for turning them back the way they came.

Mainly curious because there’s a good chance this happens again.

maybe. maybe not. I would assume not but it depends on your level of involvement and a lot of the particular facts since it'd be a negligence claim, to what extent does involving yourself create a duty of care.

you could likely counter/crossclaim the dog owner for liability / damages if you got sued, insurance companies would be involved, it'd be a whole thing

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FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

sullat posted:

Why don't they just make it illegal to strike and then fire all the striking workers?

They’d lose their next election.

Also doing that would be illegal as all heck.

Edit: also a lot of those people have skillsets that don’t really exist outside government so getting things back up to speed would be difficult.

Also have you see the labor market right now?

Also you’re joking right?

FrozenVent fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Apr 29, 2023

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