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zoux posted:Mitch McConnell has a saying: "Voters don't turn out to say 'thank you'" - which is what the GOP is discovering with respect to abortion. Did evangelicals stop turning out after Dobbs? Like I get that your basic point is that pols can't just rest on their laurels and need to continue to deliver for their constituents, but I don't think the 2022 backlash to the Dobbs decision is an example in support of that point.
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Oracle posted:Eh, nobody pays any attention to the VP. All the air in the room would go towards breathless 'who's he gonna pick?!' after the initial furor dies down. Bonus if they can get her to say she was bored in the VP slot and wanted to get back to the senate to do some real work. If I were the GOP, I'd have at least one attack ad about "Backstabbin' Joe" dropping Kamala. Maybe using it as one piece of a larger mosaic of him saying one thing and doing another. So yeah, maybe she wouldn't be the whole focus, but I'd definitely use her as a jab.
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CuddleCryptid posted:I know the answer is free market competition but you have to wonder why the US military doesn't have its own production lines for materiel. Maybe not for every boot and bullet on the market, but for things like critical raw materials. Same reason the right wants to eliminate public education, there's no shareholders making money off of it.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/scottgustin/status/1651254385211523073?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw Spicy-rear end filing.The following excerpts capture most of the most interesting (to me) legal issues at stake here. Primarily I'm concerned with the First Amendment implications of this suit as well as the Due Process implications, so I've focused somewhat more on that here. That said there's plenty of strongly worded stuff about the business impact to Disney too. I just don't give much of a poo poo about that except insofar as the Contract and Takings Clause violations underly the Due Process implications. Bolding is mine, italics are Disney's. I've mostly removed citations and the glosses Disney's lawyers provide of those citations. Disney 2 posted:A targeted campaign of government retaliation—orchestrated at every step by Governor DeSantis as punishment for Disney’s protected speech—now threatens Disney’s business operations, jeopardizes its economic future in the region, and violates its constitutional rights. Disney 4 posted:Disney regrets that it has come to this. But having exhausted efforts to seek a resolution, the company is left with no choice but to file this lawsuit to protect its cast members, guests, and local development partners from a relentless campaign to weaponize government power against Disney in retaliation for expressing a political viewpoint unpopular with certain state officials. Disney 8 & 9 posted:8. Governor DeSantis and his allies paid no mind to the governing structure that facilitated Reedy Creek's successful development until one year ago, when the Governor decided to target Disney. There is no room for disagreement about what happened here: Disney expressed its opinion on state legislation and was then punished by the State for doing so. Disney 10 posted:As the Florida representative who introduced the Reedy Creek dissolution bill declared to the Florida House State Affairs Committee: "You kick the hornet's nest, things come up. And I will say this: You got me on one thing, this bill does target one company. It targets the Walt Disney Company." Disney 17 posted:It is a clear violation of Disney’s federal constitutional rights - under the Contracts Clause, the Takings Clause, the Due Process Clause, and the First Amendment - for the State to inflict a concerted campaign of retaliation because the Company expressed an opinion with which the government disagreed. Disney 18 posted:Disney finds itself in this regrettable position because it expressed a viewpoint the Governor and his allies did not like. Disney wishes that things could have been resolved a different way. But Disney also knows that it is fortunate to have the resources to take a stand against the State's retaliation - a stand smaller businesses and individuals might not be able to take when the State comes after them for expressing their own views. In America, the government cannot punish you for speaking your mind. It seems to me that Disney have a prima facie strong case and have demonstrated standing. And that they are likely to win on the merits. Following the introduction the Parties and Jurisdiction and Venue sections seem uncontroversial and Disney seems to have the right of things here, unsurprisingly. Section A of the Factual Background is also interesting, but primarily if you have any historical interest in Disney's presence in Florida and in how Disney views itself or in how Florida courts have ruled on the RCID in the past. Needless to say, this all also supports Disney's position. Section B is more boring facts about the Comprehensive Plan that RCID had in place and which DeSantis et al are trying to overturn. Section C ("Disney Publicly Comments on House Bill 1557") is where it gets interesting again. Disney 54 - 57 posted:54. Governor DeSantis signed House Bill 1557 into law on March 28. That day, The Walt Disney Company issued a statement expressing its views that the legislation “never should have been signed into law,” that its “goal as a company is for this law to be repealed by the [L]egislature or struck down in the courts,” and that The Walt Disney Company “remains committed to supporting the national and state organizations working to achieve that.” Sections D through G continue similarly, describing how DeSantis and the Legislature dissolved the RCID and seized control of the RCID Board. It also articulates numerous ways that the retaliatory actions of DeSantis and the Florida Legislature were not even vaguely viewpoint neutral, and establishes that the various other rationales for the bill are spurious. There's lots of documentation of DeSantis's use of shibboleths like "woke corporation" which, like, what does woke even mean any more? Very ugh. They also begin to demonstrate concrete economic harms to Disney as a result of this legislation and to demonstrate the violations of the Contracts and Takings Clauses that they allege. Disney 63 posted:When considered against the substance of the legislation, the pretext became especially transparent. The bill did nothing either to “ensure that [independent special districts] are appropriately serving the public interest” or “consider whether such independent special districts should be subject to the special law requirements of the Florida Constitution of 1968” that “prohibit[] special laws granting privileges to private corporations.” Instead, under the bill, districts created before 1968 were preemptively scheduled for dissolution before the Legislature undertook any analysis to determine whether the districts were serving the public interest, and before any determination as to whether they were subject to the special law requirements of the 1968 Florida Constitution at all. Had the Legislature undertaken that analysis, it would necessarily have found that RCID served the public interest, as the Florida Supreme Court had already confirmed, see Reedy Creek Improvement Dist., 216 So. 2d at 205-206, and further that RCID was not subject to the 1968 Florida Constitution’s prohibition on special privileges granted to private corporations, see id. (rejecting as “untenable” the claim that the Reedy Creek Enabling Act’s provisions were “oriented to serve primarily the benefit of that particular private enterprise”). After the factfinding, Disney proceeds to their Causes of Action. Their Contracts Clause Violations appear particularly clear. "Disney 163 posted:163. The Contracts Clause prohibits local government entities from abrogating their own contracts with private entities. The Takings Clause violations aren't quite as straightforward in that they rely on the fact that some Contracts are a form of property and that since these Contracts refer to "specific real property" they are the sort of Contract that is a form of property. It should be noted that this is pretty fundamental and firmly established precedent at this point. I won't quote here because it's basically an extension of the Contracts Clause arguments. The Third Cause of Action alleges Due Process violations, and again depends on the Contracts Clause violations and the Takings Clause violations. Again, it reads as entirely plausible. The State has a very steep hill to climb on all three of these Causes of Action, and findings for the State would overturn many major precedents that fundamentally define our business and legal landscape. The Fourth Cause of Action alleges the first First Amendment violations and is my favorite bit of this entire filing. I love it. I love it, in particular, because here Disney first plausibly ask for declaratory judgment. Disney 185 posted:Disney’s public statements on House Bill 1557 are fully protected by the First Amendment, which applies with particular force to political speech. ... Speech such as Disney’s, on public issues and petitions to the government, “occup[y] the core of the protection afforded by the First Amendment.” Disney 186 posted:CFTOD’s retaliatory interference with the Contracts, via the Legislative Declaration and its predicates, has chilled and continues to chill Disney’s protected speech. ... This unconstitutional chilling effect is particularly offensive here due to the clear retaliatory and punitive intent that has motivated CFTOD’s actions, at the Governor’s directive. Disney 188-190 posted:188. CFTOD’s actions were motivated by retaliatory intent. On April 17, Governor DeSantis warned that the CFTOD board would be meeting a few days later to “make sure Disney is held accountable.” Later that day, Governor DeSantis announced, “I look forward to the additional actions that the state control board will implement in the upcoming days.” Governor DeSantis has let no doubt be harbored as to the impetus for his punishment. He wrote in an article to promote his book, “When corporations try to use their economic power to advance a woke agenda, they become political, and not merely economic, actors. … Leaders must stand up and fight back when big corporations make the mistake, as Disney did, of using their economic might to advance apolitical agenda.” The Fifth Cause of Action also alleges First Amendment violations and also requests declaratory judgment, this time on the basis that both pieces of legislation are retaliatory. I think either or both of these could prevail, though I'm uncertain. The courts have been stupid on these issues when it comes to things like cops arresting bystanders, for example. Finally, the Prayer for Relief reiterates the requests that Disney has made of the court in the preceeding Causes of Action. Nothing new here, but if Disney gets even a portion of what it wants DeSantis is going to look even more loving stupid.
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tagesschau posted:This lawsuit was filed about an hour after the last of the events it addresses occurred. I know they knew it was coming, but I still can't help but be impressed.
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They're trying to censure Rep. Zooey Zephyr in Montana right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZH_A3qqvRo She's giving a great speech.
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Youth Decay posted:They're trying to censure Rep. Zooey Zephyr in Montana right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZH_A3qqvRo Censure or formally kick out? I’ve seen both reported.
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1651224614486577152?s=20 Jack Smith just got these tapes from Grossberg.
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Silly Burrito posted:Censure or formally kick out? I’ve seen both reported. I'm wondering this too. My understanding is that someone getting censured is basically just a vote to say the legislature disapproves of their actions. Which, yeah, I'm pretty sure they proved that they hate her when they refused to let her speak.
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mdemone posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1651224614486577152?s=20 MySedition.mp3
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mdemone posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1651224614486577152?s=20 Like this is coup planning in any sense of the word, is it not?
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Youth Decay posted:They're trying to censure Rep. Zooey Zephyr in Montana right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZH_A3qqvRo Looks like it passed.
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Motion to censure Zooey Zephyr passes on strictly party lines, 68-32. An absolute disgrace.
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The highest profile thing involving Harris lately has been Democratic Party people whispering about removing her to media sources. She’s a laughable incompetent and terrible person, a pathetic quota hire who looks bad whenever she’s in front of the public and the idea of her becoming President is unsettling. But she’s the vice president, so all Biden has to do with her is “nothing.” She’ll be out of the public eye without any effort… at most, they’d want to avoid doing a VP debate. She’s of no value on the campaign trail, since she couldn’t come close to winning her home state in her own presidential bid and California isn’t in play anyway. Perhaps we’ll see her retire to spend more time with her family in a Biden second term, but nothing before then. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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DarkCrawler posted:I mean...do progressive politicians deliver to their constituencies? Bernie has, and does. His constituent services are generally very solid and he's done right by VT both in the House and Senate; as just one example, he was instrumental in getting federal money for both the Lamoille Valley Rail Trail and Kingdom Trails in the NEK.
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CuddleCryptid posted:I'm wondering this too. My understanding is that someone getting censured is basically just a vote to say the legislature disapproves of their actions. Which, yeah, I'm pretty sure they proved that they hate her when they refused to let her speak. https://twitter.com/kkruesi/status/1651316744458231809 They sine die next Friday. https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/1651314947190652931 That is an insane sanction, even if it expires in 10 days. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1651310510942371840 I'm reading this article to see what they are trumping up to ban her from speaking, and the best I can tell is that the offending was remark was that they'd have "blood on their hands". That is baby soft rhetoric. zoux fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Willa Rogers posted:I wonder what the odds are of Lemon and/or Carlson joining News Nation, where Chris Cuomo went after he was fired. Well, how about that! quote:NewsNation Colleagues? Network Interested In Adding Tucker Carlson & Don Lemon To Lineup After Firings I've caught Dan Abrams & Ashleigh Banfield on some Law & Crime clips on News Nation and they're pretty good, although I haven't watched Cuomo at all. Thots? <sic>
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zoux posted:I'm reading this article to see what they are trumping up to ban her from speaking, and the best I can tell is that the offending was remark was that they'd have "blood on their hands". That is baby soft rhetoric. You talk about sensitive snowflakes. So she’s not kicked out formally but she’s banned from even talking or going to the floor? What happens if she does, do they physically try to keep her out?
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Silly Burrito posted:So she’s not kicked out formally but she’s banned from even talking or going to the floor? What happens if she does, do they physically try to keep her out? The sergeant-at-arms enforces policy the House decides to enact, so yes
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Even these chickenshits know that they don't have anything they could put up to expel her so they are playing a game of "well you aren't under arrest but we're putting you in this room and you can't leave." Fantastic, i hope she can get several bullhorn, tape them together, and break the windows of the legislature building from the outside with her objections.
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It should also be stated that the legislature violated Montana's Open Meetings Law by closing the gallery to the public. If that's the case, if the legislature is found guilty, a court could invalidate the censure.
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Two interesting state-related news stories: RJR uses California as test market for skirting upcoming national menthol cigarette ban: quote:Sales of cigarettes that mimic menthol are soaring in California after the state outlawed most flavored tobacco — a sign that the industry is undermining the new law and raising doubts about the Biden administration’s plans to ban menthol cigarettes later this year. (more at link) *** Controversial measure deregulating Blue Cross NC advances in state House: quote:The controversial bill allowing the state’s dominant nonprofit health insurer to act more like a for-profit company pushed through a House committee Tuesday after an abbreviated discussion and a divided vote. (more at link)
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Willa Rogers posted:Two interesting state-related news stories: It shows what a square I am but I never realized that menthol cigarettes were popular because of the cooling effect, I thought people just liked the taste. I mean it makes sense, I've used bongs for the same reason, but still.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Even these chickenshits know that they don't have anything they could put up to expel her so they are playing a game of "well you aren't under arrest but we're putting you in this room and you can't leave." I'm afraid not, the last two state legislators that were railroaded based on parliamentary fuckery were never heard from again, and certainly not catapulted into national prominence while the state republicans who did it gnashed their teeth and rent their garments.
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so Montana is using a different law spell and the city , country, region of her state cant just counter spell it like TN?
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PhazonLink posted:so Montana is using a different law spell and the city , country, region of her state cant just counter spell it like TN? A charming phrasing, but essentially yes. She is still able to vote. It's not like there's no recourse, but nothing as easy as reappointing the same rep with a council vote. Eta the session which she is barred from floor appearance or speaking in ends May 5th. Sometime after that Montana's legislature will convene a new session, whereupon she will be allowed back to the floor. You can look forward to more transparent bigotry then. pork never goes bad fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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zoux posted:I'm afraid not, the last two state legislators that were railroaded based on parliamentary fuckery were never heard from again, and certainly not catapulted into national prominence while the state republicans who did it gnashed their teeth and rent their garments. I don't understand why they didn't do it the next day, instead of doing this whole "you're not censured but you can't speak" and dragging things out. That said, I'm pretty sure that they planned for their reaction to the rally and the call for the riot cops to clear the galleries, just so they can claim she was "leading an insurrection".
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Young Freud posted:I don't understand why they didn't do it the next day, instead of doing this whole "you're not censured but you can't speak" and dragging things out. That said, I'm pretty sure that they planned for their reaction to the rally and the call for the riot cops to clear the galleries, just so they can claim she was "leading an insurrection". Well the thing about bigots is that they aren't cynically pretending to hate people for votes, they legit cannot help themselves. This isn't specifically US news but it will have ramifications here: Erdogan is reported hospitalized following a heart attack and they have sent for the family. It's being reported all over Twitter but since I can't know what's fake and what's real anymore, I won't post any links.
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The provision Tennessee uses to fill legislative vacancies-- allowing the local government of that district's locality to appoint an interim-- is also not universal. About half of states fill such vacancies with a special election, no interim appointment allowed. The other half use some form of appointment, but who specifically does the appointing varies widely; only eight states do it like Tennessee does. Although coincidentally, one of those is Montana! I guarantee that the House GOP gave some consideration to the consequences of teeing up another round of blistering coverage for the Missoula Board of County Commissioners.
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pork never goes bad posted:Spicy-rear end filing.The following excerpts capture most of the most interesting (to me) legal issues at stake here. Primarily I'm concerned with the First Amendment implications of this suit as well as the Due Process implications, so I've focused somewhat more on that here. That said there's plenty of strongly worded stuff about the business impact to Disney too. I just don't give much of a poo poo about that except insofar as the Contract and Takings Clause violations underly the Due Process implications. Bolding is mine, italics are Disney's. I've mostly removed citations and the glosses Disney's lawyers provide of those citations. I mean, from day one it was pretty obvious that if Disney wanted to sue they had one hell of a case. Which is why it kept making less and less sense for DeSantis and the Legislature to make loving up Disney a hill to die on. Hell, if they'd left it at Disney tricking them out of loving with the Special District the story would have died down. At the same time Big Man Meatball would have gotten his win of effectively bullying anyone with a smaller and less sophisticated legal department that Disney into not questioning his divine edicts. Instead they kept pushing, and now Disney is sighing as they unsheathe their lawyers.
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Maybe DeSantis just has a humiliation fetish. We shouldn't kinkshame someone just because they're openly engaging in their fetish in public so blatantly.
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Broke: eject florida into see Woke: turn the whole state into Disney property à la Celebration and the Disney world surrounds
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Being governed by our sovereign Mickey can't be worse than who's been in charge the 30 years I've lived here.
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Gyges posted:Being governed by our sovereign Mickey can't be worse than who's been in charge the 30 years I've lived here.
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Gyges posted:Being governed by our sovereign Mickey can't be worse than who's been in charge the 30 years I've lived here. There have been a lot of Goofys.
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FlamingLiberal posted:As a fellow Floridian I unfortunately agree You will no longer be citizens of Florida though. You'll become cast members.
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Bay county renamed Methland
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Silly Burrito posted:There have been a lot of Goofys. This is unfair. Goofy is at least well-meaning
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The old "it's goofy time!" comic except with disney and desantis
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