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Senor Tron posted:That era is done, and a whole lot of people, celebs included, that stayed active on Twitter out of inertia aren't gonna move over to a new service, they're just going to check out entirely. I think you're vastly underestimating the power of addiction and the need a lot of people have for attention and validation.
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Captain Hygiene posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1651453301639069697 Move fast and break the federal reserve
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Captain Hygiene posted:Man who has lost more money than any person in history offers financial advice 
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Captain Hygiene posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1651453301639069697 Watch him try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8BcCLLX4N4
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Mokotow posted:Still blows my mind there isn’t a successful 1:1 copy of the system. Mastodon has all these weird quirks that make it something else entirely. I guess that tech just doesn’t scale well enough for a smaller dev or company to be able to re-launch it. Bluesky - also decentralised, but it's unclear to me how that actually works. Knowing Jack it involves the blockchain and I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole thing become a crypto/NFT sinkhole if it got any traction. I can only assume the reason the likes of Meta, Microsoft, even Apple haven't gone anywhere near this is not because the tech is hard, but because the ROI is terrible and it is absolutely not worth trying to run a platform that everyone in the world uses when the world is in the state it is in. You won't please anyone and your brand will be tarnished regardless of your actions. Durzel fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Apr 27, 2023 |
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Mastodon isn't decentralized, it's federated; and that's part of what makes it an awful alternative. Instead of one entity making arbitrary content monitoring decisions, now there are many of them, and each of them is less accountable than if there was one big central authority because they all individually have less skin in the game and fewer users they're trying to retain. And to make matters worse, there's no identity ownership, so if you sign up for some Mastodon instance and manage to build a following, you become fully beholden to whatever tin pot dictator runs your instance -- if they turn out to become an idiot, there's no reliable mechanism for you to move to another instance while still retaining your existing identity. There's also nothing that stops your instance owner from taking over your account. It solves basically none of the problems with existing social media and just piles on a heap of new ones. Truly decentralized social media would necessarily need to rely on you authenticating yourself with some private key you don't share with anyone; and would not tie your identity or access to any specific individual host. But that also would be garbage social media because it'd effectively eliminate the ability to moderate horrible content entirely and would probably be overrun with spam. biznatchio fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Apr 27, 2023 |
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Senor Tron posted:I think the problem is that the shine and novelty from social media has gone now. There was a decade from the start of FB and Twitter where the mere concept of such services and the connection they could offer was amazingly enticing. Mr Scumbag posted:I think you're vastly underestimating the power of addiction and the need a lot of people have for attention and validation. You're both right. If people don't know who you are, then who are you? The new celebrity status is staying relevant and keeping people's attention, especially since you can become globally famous overnight for any stupid poo poo now. Weird example: but I remember when SA used to do a lot of Let's Play videos, and they would say "don't upload to youtube because they're a bad host". Some people would even refuse to add commentary because it would interrupt the gameplay - just long videos of people saying nothing, and footage of a person playing a game with no viewer chat or reactions. The idea of seeing something like that now is unthinkable, if you are making an account on twitch tv they tell you to add all of your social accounts in your bio, insta, tik tok, fb, maybe an email address if you've made one (I don't even use my instagram but sometimes people ask me for it in real life). You need to have a personality attached to the footage because they are the entertainment and people want to see what they are doing or hear what they think, even if they're eating their own cheesy toenails, because everyone has access to streaming technology now. A lot of people don't or won't make friends face to face unless they've met via something like streaming. TheMostFrench fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Apr 27, 2023 |
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Modern let's plays need to have commentary because people are overstimulated and watch/listen/play/read 10 things at the same time. Back when the no commentary advice was given, people were probably much more likely to sit and watch the LP and nothing else so they could read subtitles
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Can mastadon shard owners still read the DMs of everyone on their server?
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feelix posted:Modern let's plays need to have commentary because people are overstimulated and watch/listen/play/read 10 things at the same time. Back when the no commentary advice was given, people were probably much more likely to sit and watch the LP and nothing else so they could read subtitles Right, in the ancient, simpler time of 2010
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Mastadon is good if you like dumb online beefs and intra forum drama.
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keep punching joe posted:Mastadon is good if you like dumb online beefs and intra forum drama. so why use it over sa
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Robo Reagan posted:so why use it over sa More random porn gets posted there.
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biznatchio posted:Mastodon isn't decentralized, it's federated; and that's part of what makes it an awful alternative. Instead of one entity making arbitrary content monitoring decisions, now there are many of them, and each of them is less accountable than if there was one big central authority because they all individually have less skin in the game and fewer users they're trying to retain. And to make matters worse, there's no identity ownership, so if you sign up for some Mastodon instance and manage to build a following, you become fully beholden to whatever tin pot dictator runs your instance -- if they turn out to become an idiot, there's no reliable mechanism for you to move to another instance while still retaining your existing identity. There's also nothing that stops your instance owner from taking over your account. Everything after email was a mistake
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When you go on the internet, you should just get a series of multiple choice questions like in Leisure Suit Larry to prove your age. "Which movie about a historic power struggle on an 18th century ship did Clark Gable star in in 1935? A) Lion King? B) i dont know C) Mutiny on the Bounty D) roblox" Flawless system.
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it does really kind of sound like even if you conceptualize a world in which you could create a social networking site from scratch 20+ years in to the concept, specifically trying to address every challenge you've observed over that time, it would still suck rear end because social networks are categorically a net social negative
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biznatchio posted:Mastodon isn't decentralized, it's federated; and that's part of what makes it an awful alternative. Instead of one entity making arbitrary content monitoring decisions, now there are many of them, and each of them is less accountable than if there was one big central authority because they all individually have less skin in the game and fewer users they're trying to retain. And to make matters worse, there's no identity ownership, so if you sign up for some Mastodon instance and manage to build a following, you become fully beholden to whatever tin pot dictator runs your instance -- if they turn out to become an idiot, there's no reliable mechanism for you to move to another instance while still retaining your existing identity. There's also nothing that stops your instance owner from taking over your account. These are all issues with existing social media as well that you're describing. Your account and identity is beholden to a central authority and their moderation decisions, you can't migrate a twitter account to facebook. There are no structural differences between the services themselves, it's just that under a larger corporate entity the central authority is financially incentivized not to do moronic poo poo. Traditionally, at least.
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mobby_6kl posted:Everything after email was a mistake biznatchio posted:email isn't decentralized, it's federated; and that's part of what makes it an awful alternative. Instead of one entity making arbitrary content monitoring decisions, now there are many of them, and each of them is less accountable than if there was one big central authority because they all individually have less skin in the game and fewer users they're trying to retain. And to make matters worse, there's no identity ownership, so if you sign up for some email instance and manage to build a following, you become fully beholden to whatever tin pot dictator runs your instance -- if they turn out to become an idiot, there's no reliable mechanism for you to move to another instance while still retaining your existing identity. There's also nothing that stops your instance owner from taking over your account.
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Can you buy avatars for other people on Mastodon
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Email was the biggest mistake of all, because alongside cell phones and pagers it created this asinine belief that people should be beholden to their workplace even while off the clock.
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biznatchio posted:Papyrus isn't decentralized, it's federated; and that's part of what makes it an awful alternative. Instead of one entity making arbitrary content monitoring decisions, now there are many of them, and each of them is less accountable than if there was one big central authority because they all individually have less skin in the game and fewer users they're trying to retain. And to make matters worse, there's no identity ownership, so if you sign up for some writing instance and manage to build a following, you become fully beholden to whatever tin pot dictator runs your city-state -- if they turn out to become an idiot, there's no reliable mechanism for you to move to another city while still retaining your existing identity. There's also nothing that stops your city-state owner from taking over your life.
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Yeah see the point is that Mastodon claims to fix problems with centralized social media but it doesn't actually fix any of them and makes some of them worse. The financial incentive beartaco mentioned is probably the best solution to ensure even-handed moderation and reliable access, but even that gets broken by idiots like Elmo who have enough money to just roll in and break the incentive that keeps things reasonable. What I guess I'm saying is fire all billionaires into the sun.
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Social media was at its best before Facebook had a newsfeed. You had the profiles, you had the communication abilities (both public and private), but you didn’t have this non-stop stream of content to engage with. For every piece of “good” content you’ve discovered via a newsfeed, I can almost guarantee the number of “meh” or outright “bad” pieces of content outnumbers it by an order of magnitude.
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FoolyCharged posted:Email was the biggest mistake of all, because alongside cell phones and pagers it created this asinine belief that people should be beholden to their workplace even while off the clock. tbh I think it went wrong when some dumbass fish decided it wanted to live on land instead of in the ocean
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email is the closest thing to a successful federated messaging network and even that has major issues in practice, it's congealed around a relative handful of providers run by megacorps technically you can run your own email server but good luck getting every provider to actually accept your emails rather than blindly assume you're a spammer
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repiv posted:technically you can run your own email server but good luck getting every provider to actually accept your emails rather than blindly assume you're a spammer I do this to this day but you're right, it's a giant pain in the rear end
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IBroughttheFunk posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1651503491326550019?cxt=HHwWhoCxnZzrqOstAAAA Maybe because they've lived 45+ years in our society and half of them are just beat down by it all...
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It's because they've realized that they'll be supporting/housing their children until they die. Also because their husband has spent too much time online and became an incel who quotes Jordan Peterson at every opportunity.
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Mr Scumbag posted:It's because they've realized that they'll be supporting/housing their children until they die. lol meanwhile their lovely kid is yelling about how other cultures treat that as a privilege
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In my civ-lite mobile game the data updates instantly, you're telling me the idiots at the Fed are reading reports from a month ago!?
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This is the guy who found chess 'too simple' because it lacked a tech tree and terrain modifiers
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There are some photos going round of Jeff Bezos at Coachella in an awful Hawaiian shirt and it is kind of funny comparing him and Elon. They are both monsters, hideously rich, and incredibly divorced but Bezos just seems like he is having a good time and doesn't care what people think of him because, you know, he's hideously rich. Elon's constant desire to be known and loved just makes him inherently more pathetic.
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There's a Behind the Bastards episode(s) on him, I think. He's a very weird dude.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:There are some photos going round of Jeff Bezos at Coachella in an awful Hawaiian shirt and it is kind of funny comparing him and Elon. They are both monsters, hideously rich, and incredibly divorced but Bezos just seems like he is having a good time and doesn't care what people think of him because, you know, he's hideously rich. Elon's constant desire to be known and loved just makes him inherently more pathetic. Bezos also has rockets that work
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