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Has anyone said that police unions aren't unions? I'd just like to make that point! EDIT: Bad snipe, but it's true.
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Apr 27, 2023 03:59
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Collective bargaining is so powerful even our enemies use it
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Apr 27, 2023 04:01
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It's also worth noting that police unions aren't onions. In other news, apparently the powers that be are allowing SFU, TMU, and UPEI to start medical schools. Two word-name universities were unfairly excluded from eligibility.
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Apr 27, 2023 04:02
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eXXon posted:It's also worth noting that police unions aren't onions. True, onions are good, and if police unions had a taste, it would be that of human feces.
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Apr 27, 2023 04:04
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Mister Speaker posted:This news about Ontario police post-secondary requirements disappearing is pretty mask-off poo poo. We already knew cops were just empowered highschool bullies, but it's appalling to be this blatant about it. I do remember hearing someone tell me back when I was in college though, that some police departments prefer you not have attended Police Foundations... True-with-an-asterisk. There was a misconception that the program was necessary and sufficient to get hired, which uh, led to some very stupid people making some very unwise promises their future couldn't hold up. The people who relied on this assumption did very poorly in interviews and got a reputation. run on sentience posted:Police school should definitely be at least 4 years and have at least 50% of the time dedicated to community relations/social work/ethics/sensitivity training/etc. to maybe weed out the worst of them. I have to agree that having general post-secondary education says absolutely nothing in itself about a person or what kind of cop they would be. Absolutely correct, but consider that dental school - a place that creates doctors of medicine with one of the most trusted roles in society - will pass students who drug women unconscious and grope them, and take photos, and brag about it. The piece we're missing is disallowing anyone who currently is a cop from having any say whatsoever in who becomes one, ideally because these people are retired en masse to flush that critical mass of shitters out of the system before they can infect the next generation. And at the current rate of attrition, they absolutely will no matter how many postgrad hippie marxists you shove into the other end of the tube. "But medical schools select for wealthy white applicants" my person a two-year community college diploma is a bar plenty high to keep the sorts of people out of the system that the cops can't weed out on their own without doing something conspicuously racist. That is the only thing that comes close to a defense of Ford's plan, and for that to work you'd have to believe in some sizeable number of people who ought to become cops, but can't because nobody's willing to lend them tuition. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Apr 27, 2023 |
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Apr 27, 2023 04:05
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run on sentience posted:Police school should definitely be at least 4 years and have at least 50% of the time dedicated to community relations/social work/ethics/sensitivity training/etc. to maybe weed out the worst of them. I have to agree that having general post-secondary education says absolutely nothing in itself about a person or what kind of cop they would be. Not entirely wrong, but I will say that the only person I knew who wanted to be a cop but still figured a degree would be good, noped out of it hard while getting a degree. Although he's now a Realtor so it's left as an exercise to the reader as to whether society has benefitted.
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Apr 27, 2023 04:22
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flakeloaf posted:That is the only thing that comes close to a defense of Ford's plan, and for that to work you'd have to believe in some sizeable number of people who ought to become cops, but can't because nobody's willing to lend them tuition. We should give people tuition to be cops, lawyers, pilots, doctors, teachers, basket-weavers, whatever the gently caress they want to be. poo poo, you ever gone through a normal day in your life and thought, "man, the problem with this poo poo is people have TOO MUCH EDUCATION! They're too smart!"? No; no one's ever thought that, in the history of the world. Make education so freely and easily available that the only reason to avoid it is that you're dumb as all gently caress, and then we can look down on people who don't avail themselves of it with a clean conscience.
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Apr 27, 2023 04:26
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MikeC posted:It is amusingly ironic to me that this thread's greatest love affair (unions and collectivism) is one of the biggest factors in causing the thread's greatest villain (cops) to be continually protected against investigations and consequences whenever they gently caress up. L O L
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Apr 27, 2023 04:41
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PT6A posted:"man, the problem with this poo poo is people have TOO MUCH EDUCATION! They're too smart!"? No; no one's ever thought that, in the history of the world. I know you're aware of the federal conservative party. (postsecondary education should absolutely be free-as-in-beer to everyone)
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Apr 27, 2023 04:51
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I trust Dougie to bring in buck-a-course-credit.
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Apr 27, 2023 04:57
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MikeC posted:It is amusingly ironic to me that this thread's greatest love affair (unions and collectivism) is one of the biggest factors in causing the thread's greatest villain (cops) to be continually protected against investigations and consequences whenever they gently caress up. In my job I represent workers in disciplinary hearings. Sometimes I have to represent people who clearly have hosed up and I see my role in those circumstances as making sure the employer is doing their due diligence and not targeting the worker for discriminatory or harassment reasons, as well as offer corrective actions that don’t include termination if the worker is willing to learn, retrain etc. More often than not, the workers in the hearings could have just been talked to by a supervisor and coached into better work performance, and often made just one bad decision or had one bad day. But supervisors often abdicate their responsibilities to higher ups to just get rid of people who annoy them or cause difficulties. If you wanted to be a manager you should have the skills to manage conflict and difficult personalities. That said, the workers I represent don’t have guns, are held accountable for their actions and don’t act as agents of state violence. So again, cop unions aren’t unions.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:28
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Cops are like onions. They smell bad and make your eyes water.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:43
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ZShakespeare posted:Cops are like onions. Don't forget thin-skinned.
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Apr 27, 2023 06:11
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Police unions are fascist political lobbying groups, not labour unions. They stand in direct opposition to organized labour. They are the thugs sent to break up union activity. They are no more a union than North Korea is Democratic. They just co-opt a word and mimic labour unions like a snake mimics a stick.
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Apr 27, 2023 12:41
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eXXon posted:It's also worth noting that police unions aren't onions. That's cool, hopefully we can increase domestic capacity to train doctors and stop stealing them from the already underserviced third world lol. Dalhousie is opening a new med school up in Cape Breton in a couple years too but I think they'll only be handling like 20 residents a year. For reference 15% (~144,000 people) of the province is on the provincial wait list to get a family doctor. The real shame is we never took the Cubans up on their offer to train doctors, and even worse still won't grant Cuban doctors permission to come serve Indigenous communities.
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Apr 27, 2023 12:46
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DaysBefore posted:That's cool, hopefully we can increase domestic capacity to train doctors and stop stealing them from the already underserviced third world lol. Dalhousie is opening a new med school up in Cape Breton in a couple years too but I think they'll only be handling like 20 residents a year. For reference 15% (~144,000 people) of the province is on the provincial wait list to get a family doctor. The Americans would be so pissed if we treated Cuba as anything more than a vacation spot, is likely the problem.
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Apr 27, 2023 12:49
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MikeC posted:It is amusingly ironic to me that this thread's greatest love affair (unions and collectivism) is one of the biggest factors in causing the thread's greatest villain (cops) to be continually protected against investigations and consequences whenever they gently caress up. I regret to inform you that your thoughts from a couple of pages ago are not any less terrible after aging for a few pages. Really a fascinating thing to say when a massive labour union is currently on strike to demand completely reasonable things.
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Apr 27, 2023 14:02
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Speaking of doctors https://ca.news.yahoo.com/frightening-shortage-canadian-family-doctor-221312130.html As is no surprise, medical students don't want to go into family medicine because it's a poo poo show and there are currently hundreds of openings in the first round of the matching program. Thus, they are probably going to get filled in the second round by people who couldn't get their first-choice matches and who will bail out into their preferred specialty at the first opportunity. Family medicine pays a lot less than other specialties and it's pay structure incentivizes seeing as many patients as possible, impacting quality of care. It also has the most administrative work which gets no compensation at all. It's definitely set up to fail in my mind.
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Apr 27, 2023 14:08
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Arivia posted:The Americans would be so pissed if we treated Cuba as anything more than a vacation spot, is likely the problem. Crazy that our first Cubano prime minister wouldn't work to get past that
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Apr 27, 2023 14:14
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I think we should accept humanitarian assistance from developed nations
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Apr 27, 2023 14:42
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Maybe if we removed the post secondary requirement and made tuition free we'd get a lot more family doctors.
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Apr 27, 2023 17:08
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Police unions are fascist political lobbying groups, not labour unions. They stand in direct opposition to organized labour. They are the thugs sent to break up union activity. They are no more a union than North Korea is Democratic. They just co-opt a word and mimic labour unions like a snake mimics a stick. I wouldn't call them "not a union" - their workers still largely interact with their bargaining agents in the same way as other unions and push for similar collective agreement language to other unions - but they're definitely not part of the labour movement. Police unions aren't an example of unions winning too hard and showing their true colours so much as they're an example of a deeply corrupt group that can operate with impunity and also has a union.
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Apr 27, 2023 18:17
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PSAC is a strange animal in this respect in that it represents both your run-of-the-mill government computer-touchers as well as correctional officers, certain RCMP desk staff, and CBSA guards who detain and deport people. In fact, the CRA salary demands PSAC put forward are based on comparable gains won for border guards last year. I saw a couple years ago that PSAC-Québec was vehemently demanding that Transport Québec officers should be armed. I've never been too sure what to think of all that, except that it sucks.
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Apr 27, 2023 18:47
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Labour aristocrats, many members are also management of some kind or another
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Apr 27, 2023 22:07
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Fidelitious posted:Family medicine pays a lot less than other specialties and it's pay structure incentivizes seeing as many patients as possible, impacting quality of care. It also has the most administrative work which gets no compensation at all. eXXon posted:It's also worth noting that police unions aren't onions. UPEI is tiny, I don't know if they have the resources to get a good quality school going, and I presume they'd have to do a lot of the clinical work off the island. It would make more sense to have a school in New Brunswick but I presume the government there has no interest in paying for anything whatsoever. I honestly didn't know what TMU was until I googled and found out it's what Ryerson became. Waterloo is the largest metro area in Canada without a medical school, and coincidentally has one of the largest universities in Canada without a medical school. It would seem to me that establishing one there would be a good idea. Albino Squirrel fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Apr 27, 2023 |
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Apr 27, 2023 22:22
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Albino Squirrel posted:UPEI is tiny, I don't know if they have the resources to get a good quality school going, and I presume they'd have to do a lot of the clinical work off the island. It would make more sense to have a school in New Brunswick but I presume the government there has no interest in paying for anything whatsoever. They have a vet school which means they have 1970s human medical equipment already, ez pz.
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Apr 27, 2023 22:34
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Bud the Spud, M.D.
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Apr 27, 2023 22:37
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There's nothing in the Charter that says a dog can't practice family medicine 
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Apr 27, 2023 22:55
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Albino Squirrel posted:UPEI is tiny, I don't know if they have the resources to get a good quality school going, and I presume they'd have to do a lot of the clinical work off the island. It would make more sense to have a school in New Brunswick but I presume the government there has no interest in paying for anything whatsoever. I watched a brief clip on CBC and they said it would have a small initial class (~20 students?) focused on family medicine and doing residencies in local clinics rather than big teaching hospitals to encourage them to stay in PEI, which seems reasonable. Albino Squirrel posted:Waterloo is the largest metro area in Canada without a medical school, and coincidentally has one of the largest universities in Canada without a medical school. It would seem to me that establishing one there would be a good idea. I had co-op jobs in medical physics (don't worry, they didn't let me near patients) so it sure doesn't seem like a big stretch, especially since they've had optometry for 20+ years. I gather from this reddit thread that UWaterloo is still unpopular for pre-med so maybe they are hesitant to put money and effort into it.
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Apr 27, 2023 23:46
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The closest KW has to a medical school is IIRC McMaster does have a small satellite med school campus in Kitchener that's a partnership with UW. Apparently it's only 28 students per class though.
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Apr 28, 2023 13:43
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Fidelitious posted:Speaking of doctors AMA posted:Number of unfilled family medicine positions after the second iteration of the 2023 R-1 main residency match I don't know how we're gonna fill those spots in Alberta - maybe with some of those 'international' medical graduates who are actually Canadians that we don't have enough med school spaces to train? There are six unfilled specialist spots country wide, amongst every medical speciality that isn't family med. eXXon posted:I had co-op jobs in medical physics (don't worry, they didn't let me near patients) so it sure doesn't seem like a big stretch, especially since they've had optometry for 20+ years. I gather from this reddit thread that UWaterloo is still unpopular for pre-med so maybe they are hesitant to put money and effort into it.
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Apr 28, 2023 14:48
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I went to U of A because I didn't want to see anyone from my town in Calgary at the U of C.
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Apr 28, 2023 15:31
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Police unions are fascist political lobbying groups, not labour unions. They stand in direct opposition to organized labour. They are the thugs sent to break up union activity. They are no more a union than North Korea is Democratic. They just co-opt a word and mimic labour unions like a snake mimics a stick. Yep - it's telling that various other unions are picketing in solidarity with PSAC when available. On the other hand, cop unions are mysteriously absent while their members are busy busting up and fining hot dog stands serving free food to Ottawa picketers https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPublicServants/comments/130tbmp/ottawa_police_back_to_fine_free_hotdog_stand_at/
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Apr 28, 2023 18:38
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Charles Bukowski posted:I went to U of A because I didn't want to see anyone from my town in Calgary at the U of C.
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Apr 28, 2023 18:40
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ColdBlooded posted:Yep - it's telling that various other unions are picketing in solidarity with PSAC when available. On the other hand, cop unions are mysteriously absent while their members are busy busting up and fining hot dog stands serving free food to Ottawa picketers Note, this spot was where the convoy had one of their food tents that shockingly wasn't ticketed or anything. Wonder what the difference was
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Apr 28, 2023 21:35
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some of those that work forces are the same that eat hot dogs.
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Apr 28, 2023 21:48
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Pigs don’t like seeing their own kind cooked
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Apr 28, 2023 21:53
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I really wish we would stop calling them pigs. Pigs are in far better shape and serve the communities better.
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Apr 28, 2023 22:05
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ColdBlooded posted:Yep - it's telling that various other unions are picketing in solidarity with PSAC when available. On the other hand, cop unions are mysteriously absent while their members are busy busting up and fining hot dog stands serving free food to Ottawa picketers That would have been city of Ottawa Bylaw services, who are under the city's union Cupe 503 - not Ottawa police.
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Apr 28, 2023 22:22
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Pigs are indiscriminate. They don't care how rich or poor you are, if you disturb them, they WILL gently caress your poo poo up
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