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very important news https://twitter.com/InsiderEng/status/1651564482559201282 and another normal day on Russian TV, propagandists scream about nukes again, declare they will likely support "old man Donald" (unlike youthful septuagenarian Putin?  ) again, something about "raging American transgenders in UAF" and duma member says they should bring back chemical weaponshttps://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1651810692285059074
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Apr 28, 2023 08:29
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Play posted:Regarding the leaker, I always have respect for true whistle blowers, who are coming forward and endangering themselves and their careers when there is genuinely shady stuff that is in he public interest to be known. Yeah. I approve of the orthopraxy. But there's no denying that this fella was completely brainworm'd.
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Apr 28, 2023 08:41
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Tai posted:Remember people, it was Norway responsible for the Nordstream pipe explosion according to the reliable fact checking and totally not making poo poo up to look cool to get on russian TV, Seymor No, no. You see, it was the US Navy. After they faked Bin Laden's death. My sources told me so.
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Apr 28, 2023 08:47
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OctaMurk posted:They invaded a nation and broke a whole bunch of treaties and ate a million sanctions. Breaking a contract in a time of special military operation is really that big of a deal?? Yes. Why does Russia still have elections when they aren't real? It's for the pageantry, to pretend there is a democratic mandate for everything the dictator does. Because the idea of a leader with the full support of a majority of their people is still powerful, even when the entire process behind it is not at all democratic. In the same manner, Russia cloaks itself in the language of Rule of Law. There's no substance there, but the idea is powerful and prestigious. The idea of "there are laws, and everyone abides by the laws in a rules based order" is considered so powerful and prestigious that even dictators are invested in the appearance of following it. The imperialistic land grab Russia is involved in is draped in the language of International Law as well. I guess you can call it a "win" for the "West" that even countries nominally opposed to everything "Western" appropriate the language of the "West". And I'd like to add that I would've used more scare quotes, but I don't think I can properly express how hollow that "win" is even with more of them. Anyway, breaking contracts is bad, because it makes you look like someone who breaks contracts, and that's bad in a world that kind of likes the idea that contractual obligations aren't optional. Committing force majeure against infrastructure and walking away whistling innocently is preferable.
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Apr 28, 2023 09:09
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Toxic Mental posted:No, no. You see, it was the US Navy. After they faked Bin Laden's death. My sources told me so. Can confirm, Bin Laden still alive today in Serbia along with Elvis, JFK, Tupac, and Jimmy Hoffa in 2023.
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Apr 28, 2023 09:12
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Karate Bastard posted:Maybe it's the usual internal division, corruption and infighting. If you blow it up the rat bastards over in building B can't scam a little gas sales on the side and disrupt the war effort. Maybe some dipshit really saw it as Europe's pipe, and blowing it up would hurt them more than us, and it would especially gently caress over those rat bastards in Building B hell yea that's it we do this. To promote Russia. And, also, my scams on the side. And in hindsight, did it even hurt them? They had already stopped all gas deliveries through the NS pipelines at that point and were operating the pipelines at a loss. The explosion was a huge boon to their nternal and international propaganda operation. That one NS2 line that was mysteriously unaffected by the sabotage and is still operational let them keep their political leverage in a wildcard European revolution scenario. Only upsides to them.
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Apr 28, 2023 09:37
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some vile poo poo, posting this after once again targeting apartment buildings, killing civilians, including children https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1651868241407492096 Dwesa fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Apr 28, 2023 |
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Apr 28, 2023 09:46
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Jesus. Even the US didn’t have the nerve to post some poo poo like that after that wedding got drone bombed
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Apr 28, 2023 09:49
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Dwesa posted:some vile poo poo, posting this after once again targeting apartment buildings, killing civilians, including a child Was just about to post this, absolutely loving deranged poo poo.
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Apr 28, 2023 09:51
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about that earlier AI's Ukraine report... https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1651870213070110721
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Apr 28, 2023 10:11
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tiaz posted:I agree with Set. Reviving public attention to the matter at a time of your choosing, say when you have indications Russia is considering similar infrastructure sabotage again is a nice capability to have - right after the Nordstream sabotage it would've only served to calm the population, which I don't think was really necessary at the time, and point the finger at Russia, already an international pariah. Withholding the release seems to make it more politically motivated though? If they released it within a quick time-frame they can always come back and say (especially after another infrastructure attack) "Russia has done these clandestine sabotage missions before, look at the Nord Stream sabotage!". Dwesa posted:about that earlier AI's Ukraine report...
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Apr 28, 2023 10:14
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Dwesa posted:about that earlier AI's Ukraine report... Maybe Shamnesty International can depart from the scene and get replaced with a better organization, but i'm not holding my breath.
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Apr 28, 2023 10:20
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lol I am SHOCKED that the report every single tankie, concern troll, sealioner and right winger were repping on social media and forums, touting “Russia is not doing war crimes!! It’s the perfidious Ukraine!”, turns out to be complete steaming dog poo poo
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Apr 28, 2023 10:20
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Toxic Mental posted:lol I am SHOCKED that the report every single tankie, concern troll, sealioner and right winger were repping on social media and forums, touting “Russia is not doing war crimes!! It’s the perfidious Ukraine!”, turns out to be complete steaming dog poo poo "The evil west and perfidious HATO forced poor Россия to invade the so-called Ukraine to save itself, don't listen to the capitalists' lies"
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Apr 28, 2023 10:26
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Budzilla posted:With "AI" I thought chatgpt made a really bad but popular report about the war in Ukraine
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Apr 28, 2023 10:28
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mobby_6kl posted:To be fair it does seem like ChatGPT is running russia's operation People have said even at the beginning of the war that a strategy game AI on the lowest difficulty setting would probably prosecute this war better than Putler and friends did.
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Apr 28, 2023 10:30
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Toxic Mental posted:lol I am SHOCKED that the report every single tankie, concern troll, sealioner and right winger were repping on social media and forums, touting “Russia is not doing war crimes!! It’s the perfidious Ukraine!”, turns out to be complete steaming dog poo poo The stupidest part by Amnesty International was the doubling down and going "no it definitely is Ukraine's fault that people get killed, not Russia's" after international press laughed at their little hit piece bought by Moscow. They even had a follow-up article few days later that instead of apologizing for their propaganda fodder said that "someone needs to keep the Ukrainian army in check, and if we stop reporting about Ukrainian violations against civilians we would not be impartial". loving sham of an organization, Putin apologists and paid shills.
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Apr 28, 2023 10:38
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1651884319219290113
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Apr 28, 2023 10:42
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I'll give AI exactly this much: Keeping tabs on wrongdoings by both Russia and Ukraine is not in itself wrong, and could be a way to make them look more trustworthy. It would take a much more thoughtful approach to writing and publishing about it, though.
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Apr 28, 2023 10:54
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They just hosed it up so badly it was immediately obvious it was just a hit piece, torpedoing their credibility in the process
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Apr 28, 2023 10:55
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Der Kyhe posted:loving sham of an organization, Putin apologists and paid shills. Are they? I mean thought they generally have done a good job over the years but they just screwed up on that report and then doubled down on it which is dumb. To me it suggests they've got a leadership issue but that is just me guessing. Have they always been half assed like this and I didn't notice or what?
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Apr 28, 2023 11:05
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Anyone who was following the war at that point could extremely obviously see that no, Ukraine was not posting up in places where civilians were to try and reduce Russian artillery and missile fire. Even the biggest war simpleton could see that.
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Apr 28, 2023 11:24
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Are they? Amnesty International is a big organization, there's probably alot of differences across region and country that can have alot of impact on their coverage. I don't know much about the current leadership, overall or regional, but I can't imagine it's not the case that that generalizations about them probably aren't that useful.
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Apr 28, 2023 11:47
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1651894518281633792 I hope they buy what time they need. Better to delay the counteroffensive by however long it takes to have all their ducks in a row than half rear end it.
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Apr 28, 2023 11:54
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I don't think half-assing it will ever be a problem for the Ukrainians, but I am legitimately worried that this it for them. If they don't manage to retake their country with what they have now then they're gonna get off and pressured into accepting a peace where Russia gets to keep whatever it still holds onto.
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Apr 28, 2023 12:02
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My understanding of AI is that their coverage of Israel/Palestine is pretty good? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Apr 28, 2023 12:04
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Are they? Well in this case they were literally Putin apologists, because they published an article saying "well yes the Russians did bad stuff but to be honest the Ukrainians were kinda asking for it". The only question is if they were in fact paid for it, or if there was a whole structure of people who are just shockingly incompetent and wrote that piece of poo poo, and allowed it to be published, and then doubled down on it. That doesn't immediately make the whole organization corrupt or useless, but it does raise questions about their motivations and the quality and content of their other reports.
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Apr 28, 2023 12:16
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Are they? Their Finnish section has at least drawn considerable ire because a well-known physicist who sits on their board of directors has repeatedly referred to the Donbas war as a civil war. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out there has been a concerted Russian campaign to insert corrosive personalities into western human rights NGOs, because discrediting them serves the Kremlin's objective to silence human rights activism at home.
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Apr 28, 2023 12:17
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Their Finnish section has at least drawn considerable ire because a well-known physicist who sits on their board of directors has repeatedly referred to the Donbas war as a civil war. That physicist BTW got shitcanned, and no longer is in the Finnish AI board.
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Apr 28, 2023 12:58
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Toxic Mental posted:lol I am SHOCKED that the report every single tankie, concern troll, sealioner and right winger were repping on social media and forums, touting “Russia is not doing war crimes!! It’s the perfidious Ukraine!”, turns out to be complete steaming dog poo poo Fall back to the keep!!! *Keep is labelled "but if we did then they deserved it"*
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Apr 28, 2023 13:10
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What internet shitholes are you guys burrowing into that you feel the need to constantly mock all these dumbass positions that nobody here is taking? Who cares what some hypothetical people that are not posting here might say in any given situation?
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Apr 28, 2023 13:17
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Funky See Funky Do posted:What internet shitholes are you guys burrowing into that you feel the need to constantly mock all these dumbass positions that nobody here is taking?
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Apr 28, 2023 13:21
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:thatsbait: of Russian paratrooper levels lmao
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Apr 28, 2023 13:31
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Funky See Funky Do posted:What internet shitholes are you guys burrowing into that you feel the need to constantly mock all these dumbass positions that nobody here is taking? Spending even two minutes on a single pro-Ukrainian tweet alone, for example, will get you enough vile whataboutisms, gore posting, and sometimes even death threats or other vile poo poo aimed at the OP, so yeah, it's a lot more common on social media itself, for an example, than you think.
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Apr 28, 2023 13:35
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Oh, I guess that makes sense. I don't use social media so I never feel the need to argue with people that aren't around to read it.
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Apr 28, 2023 13:40
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Their Finnish section has at least drawn considerable ire because a well-known physicist who sits on their board of directors has repeatedly referred to the Donbas war as a civil war. Not only that. There's a little bit of noise around the recent leaks, including plans that map out a plan of seeking influence in humanitarian and environmental NGOs. I'm already mad, because this means that legitimate environmental concerns will now be seen as easily dismissable. https://news.err.ee/1608959284/leaked-documents-reveal-russia-s-plans-for-the-baltics [quote] https://news.err.ee/1608960712/how-russia-deploys-baltic-sea-topics-to-influence-european-scientists
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Apr 28, 2023 13:40
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Dwesa posted:about that earlier AI's Ukraine report... Cool, i'm glad i cut them off and will never give them money ever again. Pieces of poo poo.
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Apr 28, 2023 13:41
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Are they? Yeah, this is my take. Its still a good organisational overall, but a big one. I can't fully recall all the details, but remember several prominent AI employees stating that someone in a prominent role used their position to write and push through a politically motivated report that didn't come close to meeting AI's usual standards. The claims it made were incredibly weakly supported: "I saw a couple of soldiers milling about at a hospital", became "Ukraine must therefore be perfidiously garrisoning civilian buildings and using maternity wards as snipers nests, babies as human shields, etc. It certainly couldn't be something simple like troops visiting their wounded comrades, etc." The author's motivations? Probably just 'USA BAD, therefore RUSSIA GOOD and UKRAINE BAD'. Every big organisation is going to have some people in them with strong political views, and some will let it influence their work. Where AI really failed is in not having enough checks and balances in to scrutinise this report before it was published and damaged their reputation.
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Apr 28, 2023 13:58
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Tigey posted:Yeah, this is my take. Its still a good organisational overall, but a big one. Wouldn't trying to use human shields against Russian attacks be like making a tiger armor out of steak?
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Apr 28, 2023 14:02
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Lammasu posted:Wouldn't trying to use human shields against Russian attacks be like making a tiger armor out of steak? lol
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