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Mastodon has its own particular weirdness going on that's iirc closer to like, Google+, right? Bluesky sounds like it's just flat out a Twitter clone not being obviously run into the ground.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Mastodon has its own particular weirdness going on that's iirc closer to like, Google+, right? Bluesky sounds like it's just flat out a Twitter clone not being obviously run into the ground. The fact that Jack Twitter is involved in it has a lot of people interested.
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Mastodon is more like IRC in that it’s a patchwork of multiple servers with their own sub-communities and quirks and a steeper learning curve than Twitter Yeah, Bluesky does appear to be Jack starting over with the exact same basic idea
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Mastodon has its own particular weirdness going on that's iirc closer to like, Google+, right? Bluesky sounds like it's just flat out a Twitter clone not being obviously run into the ground. As far as I understand it, Bluesky is basically a Mastodon competitor, built on the same concept of a federated social network with different instances sharing data via a common protocol. It's just that no one has built an actual usable instance over it yet aside from the Bluesky company itself. The thing it's probably most comparable to is mastodon.social, in that it's an official main instance for a decentralized protocol. And personally, I think it's waaaaaaay too early to say it's not being obviously run into the ground. Personally, I think it's better to assume incompetence until proven otherwise. Especially given that Jack has spent the last few years falling down every tech-libertarian rabbit hole he comes across, and there's no sign that he's learned anything useful from Twitter. What little I can find about Bluesky's moderation philosophy suggests that their approach to hate speech and abuse is "don't like it, don't read it", couched in all the usual rhetoric about free speech and refusing to censor.
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Apr 28, 2023 06:17
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Yeah I'm not surprised it's Twitter again with all the same mistakes. though I find it lol to have the probably viable techbro business model to build a successful platform, sell it to a rich idiot for way too much money, and then when they run it spectacularly into the ground, just make it all over again for everyone to flee to.
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Apr 28, 2023 06:27
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Republicans posted:The fact that Jack Twitter is involved in it has a lot of people interested. Shouldn't this be off-putting? I thought he was also broadly okay with a lot of the kind of far right stuff Elon was embracing. Or am I misremembering.
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Apr 28, 2023 07:48
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Danger - Octopus! posted:Shouldn't this be off-putting? I thought he was also broadly okay with a lot of the kind of far right stuff Elon was embracing. Or am I misremembering. Unlike Musk, he's been largely quiet on social issues and culture war stuff. But he's a big libertarian, and a huge sucker for economically right-wing stuff cloaked in vague rhetoric about freedom. He's hugely into cryptocurrency, and supported Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang in the primaries. He's probably not as openly abhorrent as Elon, but he's probably not going to do any more than Elon would about transphobic hate and abuse.
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Apr 28, 2023 07:56
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The only real value I can see in BlueSky is potentially fracturing Twitter's userbase further with a design spec and leadership that appeals to Musk's libertarian techbro orbit. It's also likely to trigger another case of Musk embarrassing himself by trying to block it or deplatform it on Twitter, so I will absolutely be getting an account to add to my Twitter bio and never use as soon as possible. This whole saga really does have the energy of disgruntled posters on big internet forums starting their own Invision / phpBB boards back in the 2000s to compete with a bigger forum that wronged them, except the bigger forum's owner keeps reacting to them in the most self-sabotaging ways possible.
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Apr 28, 2023 11:24
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Teratrain posted:This whole saga really does have the energy of disgruntled posters on big internet forums starting their own Invision / phpBB boards back in the 2000s to compete with a bigger forum that wronged them, except the bigger forum's owner keeps reacting to them in the most self-sabotaging ways possible. 
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Apr 28, 2023 11:45
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I tried to steer my implication away from that because I ain't about to stick my dick into that hornet nest, but yeah pretty much any prominent forum back in the day had lovely splinter communities.
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Apr 28, 2023 13:47
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Is Bluesky the network on whose behalf elite undercover operative / shadowrunner Matt Taibi infiltrated Twitter to steal their database? Or was that another thing
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Apr 28, 2023 14:21
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Saw a Lucid at my local Asian market the other day, and it made me wonder just how much money Elon's hard right turn is going to make them given that CHUDs are not exactly the market for EVs.
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Apr 28, 2023 14:34
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haveblue posted:Yeah, Bluesky does appear to be Jack starting over with the exact same basic idea It's effectively Twitter with more moderation and a significantly more airtight privacy policy. https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1651686218319425570 https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1651688259355918336
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Apr 28, 2023 14:54
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IIRC that person is kind of a nut who is describing bog standard social media policies in a misleading way. The inability to delete your account at will is one of those things that the GDPR would come down hard on, though.
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Kith posted:It's effectively Twitter with more moderation and a significantly more airtight privacy policy. It only has more moderation because musk fired twitter's moderation teams. As bluesky currently is, there's no way to block people so the couple nazis that got in are having a run of it.  On the other hand, the lack of a block lets people bully matty g 
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Yeah I'm not surprised it's Twitter again with all the same mistakes. though I find it lol to have the probably viable techbro business model to build a successful platform, sell it to a rich idiot for way too much money, and then when they run it spectacularly into the ground, just make it all over again for everyone to flee to. Reminds me of the guy who invented "cigarette boats", who kept founding boat building companies, selling them, and then founding another one that went on to eat his old companies lunch.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:IIRC that person is kind of a nut who is describing bog standard social media policies in a misleading way. The inability to delete your account at will is one of those things that the GDPR would come down hard on, though. She is also misrepresenting her qualifications: https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1651762490605182976 Here is the response from Bluesky: https://twitter.com/iamrosewang/status/1651705402441203713
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steinrokkan posted:Is Bluesky the network on whose behalf elite undercover operative / shadowrunner Matt Taibi infiltrated Twitter to steal their database? Or was that another thing Taibbi was recruited by Elon Musk to publish Twitter's secret info so Musk could prove that Twitter's previous management was politically objectionable to Musk's supporters. Kith posted:It's effectively Twitter with more moderation and a significantly more airtight privacy policy. Could you elaborate? All those quotes are pretty standard stuff that basically every service has, and that random Twitter user's summary of those quotes is rather hyperbolic and misleading. Also, does Bluesky actually have more moderation? I have yet to see any indication that this is actually the case, especially considering that they only added moderation tools a few days ago. A lot of people seem to think that Bluesky will have more moderation, but I don't really see what basis they have for this belief other than "there's no way Jack can be worse than Musk". Bluesky's own writings on moderation do not inspire confidence in me: they want to hire as few moderators as possible, and instead rely on a "decentralized moderation" scheme that's basically some Mastodon-rear end poo poo. In particular, it doesn't seem to provide for deleting posts at all. Instead, posts get tagged with things like "child abuse" or "hate speech", and then instances can use that list of tags to define which posts they want to be auto-hidden on their instances, and individual users can define additional tags they also want to be auto-hidden from them. https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/4-13-2023-moderation quote:Composable Moderation I don't know how anyone reads that and comes away with the impression that Bluesky is going to be well-moderated. It feels like people aren't really reading anything about Bluesky, and just kind of blindly assuming that it'll be an improved Twitter replacement, rather than the improved Mastodon replacement it actually is.
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Yeah it's weird to me how many people are forgetting that Jack and the original twitter leadership also didn't give a gently caress about Nazis or hate speech. When they added that thing that asks you if you're sure you want to see this tweet (that called a Nazi a butthead or something) they called it their snowflake filter internally.
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SimonChris posted:She is also misrepresenting her qualifications: Good to know I'm just an idiot who bit the bait, then. This is what I get for being online without coffee. Main Paineframe posted:Could you elaborate? See above.
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Bluesky is off to a good start because they knew what made Twitter popular with the “verified” status, and launched it with a closed beta with invites to the cool crowd. Now getting into Bluesky is the new “verified.” edit: Also it's describing itself as "decentralized", and there's a server menu when you try to log in, so I think it's going to be a combination of Mastodon and Twitter. With the "Bluesky" server being operated like Twitter, while people have the option of joining private servers outside of Bluesky's control. Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Apr 28, 2023 |
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Automata 10 Pack posted:Bluesky is off to a good start because they knew what made Twitter popular with the “verified” status, and launched it with a closed beta with invites to the cool crowd. Now getting into Bluesky is the new “verified.” Oh, so it's a twitter/discord hybrid? If they can get the programing right and manage to attract a user base that's actually a really good idea. I'm assuming the "no screenshots" thing is untrue and based on something taken out of context because that is a wild thing to demand and try to enforce.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Oh, so it's a twitter/discord hybrid? If they can get the programing right and manage to attract a user base that's actually a really good idea. Nah, it's pretty much exactly like Mastodon. Bluesky is a Mastodon-like decentralized protocol, with the site that's opening up now being the Bluesky company's official instance (their equivalent of mastodon.social).
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Eh, if it's streamlined and easy to sign up and automatically pushes everyone to a single main instance where 99% of people will hang out, it's basically just Twitter.
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koolkal posted:Eh, if it's streamlined and easy to sign up and automatically pushes everyone to a single main instance where 99% of people will hang out, it's basically just Twitter.
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Yep, good way to get people in with an easy setup, and familiar interface, -and I assume they'll do some version of verifying celebrities/orgs/popular accounts on the main instance- and it also allow people who want something a bit different to do that as well. Will make it easier for people to leave if they can just set up a different instance, and also how do you monetize it, but it all makes a lot of sense, and so far it seems they've been doing everything right to siphon people from twitter.
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I've said that making an alternative site as close to Twitter as possible would lead most people to jump ship who aren't Musk sycophants So far I feel like Blue Sky is the first one that seems like it may actually last. The others have all had a bunch of problems with either security or functionality.
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Mastodon is about as useful as Discord, that is to say, not useful at all as a replacement for Twitter.
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If nothing else, it seems like Bluesky is going to be one hell of a laugh factory. First of all, they shipped blocking functionality, but with the caveat that with a bit of effort, anyone can access your blocklist and see exactly who you've blocked. So all the talking heads who block their critics will continue to be easily mockable. Second of all, for some godforsaken reason, @everyone apparently works on Bluesky, and anybody can use it. It sends a notification ping to everyone on the site to come look at your post. https://twitter.com/misterbumface/status/1652139012256137216 Third of all, and probably related to the previous point, Bluesky's users have managed to make so many posts in a single thread that this so-called "hellthread" crashes the app and fucks up people's notifications. https://twitter.com/lint_ax/status/1652170003741810688 I wasn't expecting much from Jack, but at this point I've kinda gotta wonder if anyone working there has ever used social media before. Shipping without blocks and adding an @everyone feature were both obviously foolish ideas, and the hellthread is some radium-rear end poo poo.
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Apr 29, 2023 06:55
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The simplest answer is that they literally hired Radium.
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Main Paineframe posted:If nothing else, it seems like Bluesky is going to be one hell of a laugh factory.
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The site's early underbaked but at least it's mostly just funny problems so far, compared with Hive's terrifying security and identity issues. ... So far.
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In bluesky's defense, it's a closed beta. It's meant to find problems like this, especially when scaled up. Like, the issue with blocking sounds something that they had thought would come up later as they increased the audience, they didn't expect the initial group of invites would have so much off-site drama to begin with.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:What? Lol this loving rules. You might get a kick out of this one, then. 
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To be fair, nothing good has ever come out of Twitter DMs.
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Young Freud posted:In bluesky's defense, it's a closed beta. It's meant to find problems like this, especially when scaled up. That might explain it for anyone else, but not for Jack Dorsey. The guy spent something like seven years as CEO of Twitter, and more than a dozen years sitting on its board of directors. He was involved with Twitter in various roles from its founding in 2006 until he cut all his ties with it in the early 2020s. If he really thought people wouldn't be lovely to each other in the closed beta, that goes beyond "naive" and into "did this motherfucker learn anything at all from Twitter?".
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Main Paineframe posted:That might explain it for anyone else, but not for Jack Dorsey. The guy spent something like seven years as CEO of Twitter, and more than a dozen years sitting on its board of directors. He was involved with Twitter in various roles from its founding in 2006 until he cut all his ties with it in the early 2020s. If he really thought people wouldn't be lovely to each other in the closed beta, that goes beyond "naive" and into "did this motherfucker learn anything at all from Twitter?". Given who has been getting early invites I honestly think this could have been intentional as a means of generating buzz. People want to wallow in the poo poo in twitter, that's what they like about it. They don't particularly like when all the useful things go away and the only comments with high visibility are blue check reply guys, because it's not fun OR useful. So intentionally inviting people in that are likely to stir poo poo and cause drama is not out of the question for someone who, as you described, should have been extremely aware of exactly what would happen. There are also no DMs/PMs on bluesky, which according to Jack is intentional. Someone complained about it and he told them to use signal. So it launched with no blocking, but also no way for people to privately harass others without having off site links or identifiers.
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Main Paineframe posted:That might explain it for anyone else, but not for Jack Dorsey. The guy spent something like seven years as CEO of Twitter, and more than a dozen years sitting on its board of directors. He was involved with Twitter in various roles from its founding in 2006 until he cut all his ties with it in the early 2020s. If he really thought people wouldn't be lovely to each other in the closed beta, that goes beyond "naive" and into "did this motherfucker learn anything at all from Twitter?". Jack personally intervened to prevent Nazis like Richard Spencer getting kicked off Twitter. Jack learned plenty from running Twitter, just not the things we would have liked him to have learned.
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Biden ripping on Elons ability to ruin things. https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1652500078366449664
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