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psydude posted:WTF did Russia have to gain by destroying those pipelines? It completely destroyed their leverage against Germany. i posted about it last year pmchem posted:Russia.
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Murgos posted:Well, that’s some pretty suspicious timing. Almost as if they withheld the evidence until the time to release it would be the most effective!
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Apr 27, 2023 21:02
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SlowBloke posted:T72 and T90 engine is an evolution of ye olde V2 from the BT7 and T34. Is there a source for this?
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Apr 27, 2023 21:06
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psydude posted:WTF did Russia have to gain by destroying those pipelines? It completely destroyed their leverage against Germany. NS2 had been dead before the 2022 invasion, NS1 had not been transporting gas (and was not going to again) before the explosions, either. They no longer represented leverage. Demonstrating that infrastructure in the baltics was vulnerable, that was all NS1/2 were still good for. There were other sabotage acts on German infrastructure during that time as well. I don't think it was a coincidence that one pipe of NS2 was left intact, either.
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Apr 27, 2023 21:08
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Antigravitas posted:NS2 had been dead before the 2022 invasion, NS1 had not been transporting gas (and was not going to again) before the explosions, either. They no longer represented leverage. that’s not even remotely true and you can get the historical daily physical flow data here https://www.nord-stream.info edit: if I re-read and interpret your post as not transmitting gas in immediate days before, yes. but for like the entire rest of the year, no. pmchem fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Apr 27, 2023 |
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Apr 27, 2023 21:26
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Is there a source for this? http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/EQP/v_diesels.html
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psydude posted:WTF did Russia have to gain by destroying those pipelines? It completely destroyed their leverage against Germany. In Russian mind, "now the EU needs to come to the negotiations table and abandon Ukraine or they will freeze to death, and they need to divert resources to fix the lines". In everyone else's mind, "now that the gas pipelines are dead we no longer need to negotiate with Russia and can openly support Ukraine". Also, it is not completely insane proposal that this was done as an escalation to force EU to choose sides. At this point of the conflict it still seemed possible that Germany and France might decide to sit this one out, and force the rest of the EU to do the same "because we need to focus on getting these lines back online and work with Russia". Similarly, it could have also been done by Putin's inner circle to demonstrate internal politics that backing off and going back to being a mob-ran gas station is no longer an option so stop talking about it. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Apr 27, 2023 |
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pmchem posted:edit: if I re-read and interpret your post as not transmitting gas in immediate days before, yes. but for like the entire rest of the year, no. You mean "if I re-read the post as it was written". NS1 was down for """maintenance""" on extremely flimsy grounds that Russia was called out on. "Oh, we would love to transmit gas, but the turbines are broken, no we don't need the repaired spare turbines, but if you would just open NS2…". Russia's manoeuvring didn't work, and from that point on leverage was lost.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Is there a source for this? its pretty well known. it is very different from the ww2 v2 engine of course.
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The leadup to the pipelines blowing up was the height of the Russian messaging about how Europe was going to freeze over the winter and European will to aid Ukraine would dry up in the face of high energy prices and people living in 5 degree apartments and so on.
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ishikabibble posted:It was that, yeah. He added a note in the description on the T-14 saying it was a 'mis-translation on his part'. That is what I meant. Looking back on the post, I did that thing where I'd written the sentence a few different times then edited it so that parts of the older sentence were still there and made a word salad. I Didn't see that Pig corrected himself. I had an idea that it was the problem since it came up at one of my previous jobs a few times, and I think I remember reading that it was a point of contention in a few of Germany's joint design projects. I don't think that goofing up some figures like that ruin arguments, but I also feel the need to not have disinformation going around. I had to encounter a lot of it when I was working on military contracts. Like I said, he had good points like Russia's procurement and manufacturing woes as well as even the tech and design for the T-14 being bad. Reformists tend to not have influence in terms of having real connections, but a lot of their bullshit ends up as "common knowledge" and gets repeated by everyone from laymen to journalists, politicians, and other public figures. What's funny is that when I did have to fight off such arguments about AFVs when I worked on them, the conclusion from the people spouting them to me was that it was evidence that we needed more expensive and technologically overdesigned projects instead of the simpler designs that Reformists push for.
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Pigs point in that T14 video isn’t that the V2 was bad in general it’s that it is bad for a tank in 2023 especially as compared to western engines that produce more power in less area with similar or better reliability and maintainability. And that the Porsche Tiger engine was even worse. And that designing the Armata around that engine and tightly coupling to it was particularly egregious. The actual power output numbers are irrelevant. Edit: said another way, if the Armata had been designed with the same engine but so that it could be relatively easily replaced with something else then it already would be a much better tank than actually it is. Murgos fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Apr 27, 2023 |
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ishikabibble posted:
It sure doesn't seem that way when they actually are given the time of day at all. Like I get their reputation in the civilian aspects, but it just seems so weird that they were able to actually get the Pentagon to listen to a literal Nazi talk about planes at all, even if it was just a one-off teleconference call. EDIT: *looks at avatar* Lmao, I sure made Demon Of The Fall mad.
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Kchama posted:It sure doesn't seem that way when they actually are given the time of day at all. Like I get their reputation in the civilian aspects, but it just seems so weird that they were able to actually get the Pentagon to listen to a literal Nazi talk about planes at all, even if it was just a one-off teleconference call. It's not that crazy or big of a deal. Nazis were advising every aspect of the US military at the time. Hans Rudel was an incredibly accomplished pilot in CAS infancy. Ignoring his lies and stories, he was still very experienced in a field where few survive long enough to develop an expertise. Rudel was ardent Nazi, and his ideas were fantastic for the last war. He wanted what amounted to a modern Stuka with a suite of autocannons, but was completely disregarding much of the tech development that happened on the Allied side during the war, and what came after. The 'Reformers' were Wheraboos in US utilitiy uniforms.
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bulletsponge13 posted:The 'Reformers' were Wheraboos in US utilitiy uniforms. This tracks with Adam Tooze's Wages of Destruction. Defense procurement reform was a major Nazi propaganda platform.
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MRC48B posted:This tracks with Adam Tooze's Wages of Destruction. Defense procurement reform was a major Nazi propaganda platform. And surprise surprise, they were extremely bad at it outside of propaganda.  Bomber B
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Learning about the "fighter pilot mafia" and "Reformer" poo poo really makes me wonder how much foreign powers were pushing all the controversy around the F22/F35 behind the scenes. That's not to say the planes and the processes around them didn't have genuine problems, but I guess I'm just more conscious these days of how easy it is for an embellishment or outright lie to become a broadly accepted "fact" because it feeds narratives that the left is already primed for. Folks rightly skeptical of the American military industrial complex probably make easy targets for disinformation campaigns on subjects they lack expertise or trusted, truly reliable sources on.
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Can we add the gravelbellies to that list? They killed more Americans than the rest combined.
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CommieGIR posted:Russia, famous for being a rational actor lately... Well put another way, Russia's leadership has almost certainly existed in a bubble for some time in which the information provided to it is carefully curated to avoid upset rather than for its factual content and so its decisions are not going to make a whole lot of sense to outsiders because those decisions are pretty much based in an alternate reality.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Learning about the "fighter pilot mafia" and "Reformer" poo poo really makes me wonder how much foreign powers were pushing all the controversy around the F22/F35 behind the scenes. That's not to say the planes and the processes around them didn't have genuine problems, but I guess I'm just more conscious these days of how easy it is for an embellishment or outright lie to become a broadly accepted "fact" because it feeds narratives that the left is already primed for. Folks rightly skeptical of the American military industrial complex probably make easy targets for disinformation campaigns on subjects they lack expertise or trusted, truly reliable sources on. Pierre Spray loved himself some Russia Today appearances. Whether it was because he just loved being on camera or there were other reasons, I dunno.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Pierre Spray loved himself some Russia Today appearances. Whether it was because he just loved being on camera or there were other reasons, I dunno. Also a huge pusher on the absolute supremacy of the A10 as an invincible CAS platform. Wonder if he got that from Russia or if it was a mix of his own stupidity and Russia.
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Murgos posted:Pigs point in that T14 video isn’t that the V2 was bad in general it’s that it is bad for a tank in 2023 especially as compared to western engines that produce more power in less area with similar or better reliability and maintainability. A lot of the T14 issues stems from using a new engine DIFFERENT from a v-2 derivative, the 12Н360, which is closer to the concept of a modern European tank power pack. If it was another V-2 derivative they wouldn't poo poo themselves on parades.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Pierre Spray loved himself some Russia Today appearances. Whether it was because he just loved being on camera or there were other reasons, I dunno. I'm sure the ego stroking was more than enough reason.
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SlowBloke posted:A lot of the T14 issues stems from using a new engine DIFFERENT from a v-2 derivative, the 12Н360, which is closer to the concept of a modern European tank power pack. If it was another V-2 derivative they wouldn't poo poo themselves on parades. As that other YouTube dude showed that was likely some driver error or electrical malfunction that engaged the breaks, as it couldn't be towed and later drove off by itself. Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Is there a source for this? It basically mostly has the same shape and rough dimensions, the engine is good at what it does but probably has little room for improvement left. So if you design a new tank without the old size constraints of the older hulls you might as well use a new engine. Only time will tell if it is actually reliable in practice but how to design reliable combustion engines is an extremely mature field so Russian engineers can probably make it so. Murgos posted:Pigs point in that T14 video isn’t that the V2 was bad in general it’s that it is bad for a tank in 2023 especially as compared to western engines that produce more power in less area with similar or better reliability and maintainability. The engine is not the Porsche engine in the Tiger, the main similarity appears to be the x cylinder shape, which was first used as a tank engine in the Tiger. I mean, judging how this war has gone so far an armata will probably get stuck in a ukranian mud lake and burns up from the heat of swiveling it's turret in a panic, but it is completely untested so far and most info about it is just rumors and really stupid promo videos.
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And yet, the point that the design of the tank is so tightly coupled to that specific engine that with 8 years of development they still don’t seem to have corrected the problem that it’s too hot and seems prone to breakdowns still stands.
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Murgos posted:And yet, the point that the design of the tank is so tightly coupled to that specific engine that with 8 years of development they still don’t seem to have corrected the problem that it’s too hot and seems prone to breakdowns still stands.
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This is why battletech makes you install enough heat sinks to be heat neutral in your vehicles
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1652155232896286720 https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1652165036134080515 Ukraine apparently hit an oil refinery in Sevastopol with a UAV this morning, current reporting is that the blaze has consumed almost a square kilometer and is still going strong, the pictures look proper apocalyptic.
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1652155232896286720 alhamdulillah
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Ubik_Lives posted:Are we sure that's not just the Admiral Kuznetsov coming into dock? If it's black smoke that means they haven't selected a new CO yet
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GD_American posted:If it's black smoke that means they haven't selected a new CO yet 
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Ubik_Lives posted:Are we sure that's not just the Admiral Kuznetsov coming into dock? To come in to dock it first needs to be capable of leaving dock.
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Murgos posted:And yet, the point that the design of the tank is so tightly coupled to that specific engine that with 8 years of development they still don’t seem to have corrected the problem that it’s too hot and seems prone to breakdowns still stands. The whole point of the Tiger's Maybach was that it was comparatively small vs others at the time. Has Russia painted themselves into a corner where they can't get enough HP into that space with a more conventional design?
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Karma drone strikes again!
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1652155232896286720 On a scale of 0-10 Ohio train derailments, how bad is this for the people there?
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I don't think this is the thread to be worrying about the health of russians living in houses stolen from Ukrainians.
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