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The amount we on the left bend over backwards to say "well I would never cheer for Disney/please don't misunderstand I hate Disney/gently caress Disney" is quite frankly tiring. They aren't doing anything wrong here, I feel no compunction to make me throttle my support for them as they smother President DeSantis in his crib.
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Yawgmoft posted:The amount we on the left bend over backwards to say "well I would never cheer for Disney/please don't misunderstand I hate Disney/gently caress Disney" is quite frankly tiring. They aren't doing anything wrong here, I feel no compunction to make me throttle my support for them as they smother President DeSantis in his crib. Yeah, Disney is just transparently in the right here. It is in fact Very Bad for the government to punish businesses for speaking up for LGBT rights.
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Disney was not even actively getting in DeSantis' way, he's just a petty local tyrant punching above his weight.
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World Famous W posted:you actually don't have to give it to giant evil corporations But enough about both political parties
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I find it somewhat comforting that “woke,” socially aware posturing is advantageous for making money. It shows pretty clearly on which side the majority of the population falls. That’s why Republicans are trying to roll back democracy so hard; it’s never been more obvious that they are a cultural minority.
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Yawgmoft posted:The amount we on the left bend over backwards to say "well I would never cheer for Disney/please don't misunderstand I hate Disney/gently caress Disney" is quite frankly tiring. They aren't doing anything wrong here, I feel no compunction to make me throttle my support for them as they smother President DeSantis in his crib. Personally it feels like I shouldn’t be handing it to Disney just because desantis is a moron and pushed them into a win-win situation of doing what’s good for their bottom line as well as getting some good PR out of it
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It's hard to outright root for Disney but I figure the worst consequences of a Disney victory is that American culture remains a bit too milquetoast and unchallenging and the worst consequences of a DeSantis victory are, well, discussed a lot here
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haveblue posted:It's hard to outright root for Disney but I figure the worst consequences of a Disney victory is that American culture remains a bit too milquetoast and unchallenging and the worst consequences of a DeSantis victory are, well, discussed a lot here
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I read an interesting article, and it highlights the disconnect between hard-right GOP politicians and their constituents. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/28/us/montana-governor-son-transgender-bills/index.html The language used here is so odd, respectful yet sad. It reminds me of the Cheney family, and I hope the children of these politicians keep standing up and pushing back on these policies. Usually Republicans are monsters on issues until it directly affects them, but perhaps LGBTQ+ issues are a bridge too far.
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VorpalBunny posted:I read an interesting article, and it highlights the disconnect between hard-right GOP politicians and their constituents. “Son, we’re inherently superior to those we rule. The laws we pass will never affect us. And if they do, I’m letting you get dragged to the camps.”
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Ogmius815 posted:You’re a huge dumbass. Why are you contributing to a panic? Are you aware of what the FDIC does? Wow, SomethingAwful still has that much power? I'm impressed. But seriously, there won't be a bank panic because of individuals with money in it. It will be a bank panic by the rich and powerful who pull their money out first because they already know it's doomed. Why on earth would you keep any money in a failing business? Granted it's not like a Corporate Gift Card that's going to be useless after a collapse, but moving banks should be straight forward. And the amount of people defending it is weird.
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Yawgmoft posted:The amount we on the left bend over backwards to say "well I would never cheer for Disney/please don't misunderstand I hate Disney/gently caress Disney" is quite frankly tiring. They aren't doing anything wrong here, I feel no compunction to make me throttle my support for them as they smother President DeSantis in his crib. It's extremely important to always remember that corporations are not your friends. Otherwise you start saying stupid things like "Disney is standing up to fascist takeover" and forgetting that they're funding the fascists.
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Nazis in Columbus stood outside a drag brunch today. What an amazing country. The American dream.  
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I think it's fine to not point out that a multinational corporation is bad at every turn. However, it is important to remember that while Disney is in the right in this particular case, they didn't stand up for poo poo. In the lead up to the passage of Don't Say Gay, they were silent. Only after they were looking at internal turmoil did they say they were totally working behind the scenes to fight this, and they're sorry for not being more vocal. Then when the law passed they put out a statement that essentially boils down to, "Oh, we don't agree with this law." They were a typical poo poo company trying to not be involved, and when they were essentially forced to stand behind their established branding they did just that. They didn't rally the troops, or threaten to do something. They hoped that the legislature would change their mind or the courts struck it down. And for that, Governor Fuckstick declared Jihad. So Disney was basically backed into a corner where they had to fight the fascist. Not good, but every once in a blue moon the interests of capital and the people oddly align. So, yay Disney. Go get 'em, champ. I'll refrain from going out of my way to point out you're a dickhead too, in this specific instance where I'm talking about your fight with the Florida Government. Edit: If we get more full out and proud Nazi protests of Drag Shows and Trans events that would probably help. It'll be absolutely terrible for everyone who is being protested by Nazis, but it's hard for normal right wing idiots to proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with the Nazis and fight "The Woke". Gyges fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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Comstar posted:Wow, SomethingAwful still has that much power? I'm impressed. This is dumb because the FDIC has made it clear they will cover even uninsured deposits. The only losers are shareholders. If you hold a bank's stock you should certainly get out but as a depositor there's no reason to worry. It might save a bit of headache while the FDIC works out transfership but that's more of an inconvenience than a major concern. koolkal fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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Comstar posted:Why on earth would you keep any money in a failing business? That’s investments, not deposits. The FDIC covers the latter, no one covers the former. Depositing money in a bank account is not investing in it
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Comstar posted:Wow, SomethingAwful still has that much power? I'm impressed. Others have already pointed out that you don’t seem to know the difference between a deposit and equity, so that’s covered. But I’d also like to add that SVB literally failed because of morons panicking on the internet.
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Willa Rogers posted:Has the use of a particular font, no matter how the public has tied the font to a corporation or corporate usage, ever been declared to be copyright infringement? Yeah, that's my whole point. It sucks that no one gives a poo poo about the human trafficking to the point that it's been allowed to continue and the courts look at it and just say "meh, technically not human trafficking" and do gently caress all to stop the situation. Like I said, there's larger systematic problems.
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Morrow posted:It's pretty decisive that those were not revolutions: those were top down reforms imposed by the federal government after abolitionists/Civil rights activists successfully lobbied and took power through democratic means.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:No one wants to hear this answer, but Mike Pence. With the sage advice of Dan Quayle.
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5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loosequote:Police said they believe the massacre occurred after neighbors asked the suspect to stop shooting his gun in the front yard because there was a baby trying to sleep. i hate it here i hate it here i hate it here i hate it here
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Jan 6 failed because of the failure of the rioters to understand how the mechanisms of government and exercise of power actually works. Which isn't at all rare on any side of American politics, in fact it's pretty much exactly the narrative from mainstream media and education; worship and fetishisation of procedure, ritual and symbols; liberals aren't the only ones who are paralysed and bamboozled by good ol'  and wondering why the world doesn't work like it does on the TV. Understanding material conditions is pretty much alien to mainstream politics in the West, deliberately so for various reasons.It was pretty much a big LARP with real guns, trying to imitate the ideas of revolutionary violence like it's shown on history movies and the news, toppling statues of Saddam Hussein and storming the Bastille and whatever. Seriously, look at the joke of a 'gallows' they made, and they're taking photos and posing like they're a part of history. (Well, not in the way they thought) Of course leftists didn't want any part of that shitshow when fundamentally there's no realistic win condition anyway. The one rioter who actually posed a meaningful threat to officials was immediately shot dead. Probably one saving grace of the American march to fascism is that most of the fascists are too dumb, deluded and belligerent to realise the cops are their natural allies, and make full use of their other advantages. Though being stupid, deluded and belligerent is still the nature of successful fascists, too... Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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There were organized groups there like proud boys who would have been happy to kill people if the opportunity presented itself.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Lol Maybe the leftists in United States should? Because their current track won't get them anywhere different if the liberal establishment fails as it often does. There are no militant organizing at any level. Hell, you're doing a disservice to leftists under Hindenburg by even comparing them, to be honest. Where is the American RSRG and if that could exist are American leftists really facing bigger threats now? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold Anyway, be it the more ruthless politics or more ruthless preparation outside politics, if you don't even try because of a mythic all-powerful, all-seeing government/cops, you are a self-fulfilling defeatist prophecy and the biggest edge that government/cops have against you. I feel like there has been enough evidence given about them not magically becoming hyper-competent just because they hear the word "left". Literal insane people can say, stockpile guns in the United States. VorpalBunny posted:I read an interesting article, and it highlights the disconnect between hard-right GOP politicians and their constituents. What disconnect? Literally every Republican constituent with LGBTQ+ friends or family members is making the exact same choice of loving them over by continuing to vote for Republicans. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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Vintersorg posted:Nazis in Columbus stood outside a drag brunch today. What an amazing country. The American dream. I like to think groups like this and Patriot Front are just FBI honeypots and nobody is in any real danger from them.
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I AM GRANDO posted:There were organized groups there like proud boys who would have been happy to kill people if the opportunity presented itself. What ended up stopping them? They broke in, got into some offices… and milled around and walked out. They didn’t seem any more organized once they smashed a window and climbed in.
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Comstar posted:What ended up stopping them? They broke in, got into some offices… and milled around and walked out. Did you miss all the evacuations? You seem to not understand much of what happened that day or what their goals were.
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Republicans posted:I like to think groups like this and Patriot Front are just FBI honeypots and nobody is in any real danger from them. Few groups wants to commit violent crimes like one with an FBI agent inside looking to "take it down". A bunch of nazis without an informant is probably on average less dangerous than one with one inside. Then again, nazis are right wing so the FBI might just be chillin' with like minded individuals. Maybe just some light offering of supplying weapons instead of fomenting a kidnapping or planning a bombing.
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Comstar posted:What ended up stopping them? They broke in, got into some offices… and milled around and walked out. Organized =/= competent. They absolutely were looking to murder people if they could have gotten their hands on them, but thankfully were too dumb/easily distracted to get to where their various targets were sheltering. DarkCrawler posted:Maybe the leftists in United States should? Because their current track won't get them anywhere different if the liberal establishment fails as it often does. There are no militant organizing at any level. Hell, you're doing a disservice to leftists under Hindenburg by even comparing them, to be honest. Where is the American RSRG and if that could exist are American leftists really facing bigger threats now? Historical quibble, the Reichsbanner weren't hugely leftist; they generally rose in support of the more centrist (though usually not the actual Center) and center-left parties like the Social Democrats who were (usually) the largest partner in the ruling Weimar coalition until the end. If you want an actual, and really, leftist Weimar street militia you'd look to the Roter Frontkämpferbund, particularly as any actual American equivalent would likely be treated the same by the Democrats as they were by the Social Dems ie: getting banned for being too indecorous/actually leftist.
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I think the talk about murdering people was all bluster, as evidenced by the fact that they didn’t murder anyone. Talking about wanting to murder a politician and actually doing it are far different.
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Cool NIN Shirt posted:I think the talk about murdering people was all bluster, as evidenced by the fact that they didn’t murder anyone.
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Cool NIN Shirt posted:I think the talk about murdering people was all bluster, as evidenced by the fact that they didn’t murder anyone. They did kill a capitol police officer, it's not that far of a leap to think they would have also killed a politician had they gotten their hands on one...
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Comstar posted:What ended up stopping them? They broke in, got into some offices… and milled around and walked out.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Historical quibble, the Reichsbanner weren't hugely leftist; they generally rose in support of the more centrist (though usually not the actual Center) and center-left parties like the Social Democrats who were (usually) the largest partner in the ruling Weimar coalition until the end. If you want an actual, and really, leftist Weimar street militia you'd look to the Roter Frontkämpferbund, particularly as any actual American equivalent would likely be treated the same by the Democrats as they were by the Social Dems ie: getting banned for being too indecorous/actually leftist. Sure, but there isn't anything comparable to that either. At least American leftists should get to the point where they are actually contemplating banning their militant organization instead of whining about how they would ban them if they would try. Even the vacuous liberal equivalents had their own in Hindenburg times. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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Cool NIN Shirt posted:I think the talk about murdering people was all bluster, as evidenced by the fact that they didn’t murder anyone. They evacuated the politicians under armed guard and shoot a rioter in the head in the process of keeping them back. What about that situation made you think the issue was intent not ability?
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Jarmak posted:They evacuated the politicians under armed guard and shoot a rioter in the head in the process of keeping them back. What about that situation made you think the issue was intent not ability? mostly that jan 6 was more of a riot than anything, disorganized af and everyone there had their own intent. they were riding high on mob energy. so ascribing pretty much any intent to 'Them' is both possible and probably inaccurate.
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This is straying a bit into right wing talking points about the insurrectionists. They were absolutely willing to do violence to politicians there and the reason they didn't was that the politicians were under security and the J6ers couldn't get to them. The closest they got was that woman who was shot by security. They went into the building looking for politicians and it was more due to the action of security in the building that they couldn't find any. This is not to say that they didn't want to do violence in the first place.
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