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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:There's always something to say about the hideous things that the USA either encouraged, supported, or flat-out carried out in the name of its imperialism, and that there will never be justice done in terms of punishing the state actors responsible. This is likely the first time in maybe 70 years the us military budget had been spent on something actually good. The US gets personally nothing out of countering russia here other than international good boy points for being on the correct side of a genocide for once. I guess it fits in with the USAs geopolitical aims of "not letting china and russia get the idea they can annex things" as well, but again describing that as imperialism is... Kinda bizare.
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May 1, 2023 11:50
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Computer viking posted:If Ukraine joins the EU, they'll also probably join the Schengen area - the zone where you can travel without a passport or visa. It's not 1:1, Bulgaria and Romania are not (yet) Schengen members, and there's a few non-EU members on the inside. Still, they'd probably want to join, it makes life easier in many ways. If they do, their border with Russia becomes EU's border with Russia. There was a quote from one of their diplomats basically straight up saying "if you try to join the EU, we will not accept your sovereignty any more", does anyone know who/where it was said?
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May 1, 2023 11:55
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mobby_6kl posted:Yeah they were pretty mad about the EU prospect. The EU is also a single market so they wouldn't get to dictate terms of trade and would have to deal with the EU to get their rocket engines and what not lol. quote:"We don't want to use any kind of blackmail. This is a question for the Ukrainian people," said Glazyev. "But legally, signing this agreement about association with EU, the Ukrainian government violates the treaty on strategic partnership and friendship with Russia." When this happened, he said, Russia could no longer guarantee Ukraine's status as a state and could possibly intervene if pro-Russian regions of the country appealed directly to Moscow. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/22/ukraine-european-union-trade-russia
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May 1, 2023 12:03
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Budzilla posted:Are you serious? Look at post Soviet states that have joined the EU. At a macro level joining the EU is a major win for better trade integration with wealthier economies with the financial benefits that flow with it. At a lower level getting work in those economies for individuals, initiatives against corruption, more progressive policies and other incentives make it a no brainier. You saying "Why was Putin against EU cooperation?" comes across as an insincere 'just asking questions'. The last decade, especially after the euro crisis, had a very strong narrative to the lines of "EU is a neoliberal project and they will force everyone to privatize everything". I don't think it's as prominent anymore as the edgelords of those times grew up and the current edgelords have different agendas, but there is still some understanding missing of the extent that the EU integrates and supports member-states' institutions that lowers corruption and increases transparency and effectiveness. On a basic level EU = open borders and getting subsidies, but it's much more than that
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May 1, 2023 12:04
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1652951787026956288 Pigozhin claims that the leaked documents detailing Russian ammo supplies to the Wanker SS are either a fake, or if real, not enough for his troops to conduct any proper operations.
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May 1, 2023 12:34
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Splorange posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3mm5OXS1mY Just got round to starting these. Very interesting, and very funny.
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May 1, 2023 12:35
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I recall lindybeige being a bit of a climate denier nutter a while back. Am I misremembering, and if no did he get better?
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May 1, 2023 12:39
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I was happy to see that after nearly a year without posting anything, Steve1989mreinfo uploaded some new videos today! I thought the dude had died from botulism or something tbh. Watching him be unbelievably excited about eating weird old food is bizarrely fulfilling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmSUWu37dt4
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May 1, 2023 12:43
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Karate Bastard posted:I recall lindybeige being a bit of a climate denier nutter a while back. Am I misremembering, and if no did he get better? I watched a couple of his videos and he started ranting emotionally and incoherently on the  about female soldiers, so I quickly left.
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May 1, 2023 12:47
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Drone_Fragger posted:...The US gets personally nothing out of countering russia here other than international good boy points for being on the correct side of a genocide for once... I think depleting the military of someone who they see as their long-time enemy is a significant personal gain. The MIC also will probably come out of this financially better off than they otherwise would have been. I definitely do not think the US has taken any action in Ukraine purely for a reputational boost.
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May 1, 2023 12:47
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Tigey posted:I watched a couple of his videos and he started ranting emotionally and incoherently on the The one lindybeige video I saw was one he did with Nicholas Moran for the tank museum regarding their bottom 5 tanks and Moran kept correcting him lol
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May 1, 2023 12:54
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Somaen posted:The last decade, especially after the euro crisis, had a very strong narrative to the lines of "EU is a neoliberal project and they will force everyone to privatize everything". Let's not get carried away here, the EU absolutely is a neoliberal project that is big into privatisations. But it's a project of True Believers in free movement of capital, workers, goods and they will send Margrethe Vestager after megacorps for misbehaving. The rules of the EU are pretty hostile to kleptocrats and low-level corruption as experienced by ordinary people. I strongly agree that any country joining the EU is much harder for Russia to influence, because there's nothing Russia could offer that can compete with the EU. (Beyond Culture War poo poo, that is)
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May 1, 2023 13:04
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Screama posted:I think depleting the military of someone who they see as their long-time enemy is a significant personal gain. The MIC also will probably come out of this financially better off than they otherwise would have been. I definitely do not think the US has taken any action in Ukraine purely for a reputational boost. Yeah, probably. Over the past year, Russians have been repeatedly humiliated by the capabilities of US military hardware. To add insult to injury, the American equipment is even considered outdated in its home country. Every customer who's put an order in for Russian equipment is having serious second thoughts. Meanwhile, US hardware is proven to be horrifically effective against the vehicles and equipment being made by their rivals. And now that various countries in the EU, including the rest of NATO, are spooked by Russian aggression after years of paring down their own military spending and production, the most expedient option available to them is to shore up their own defenses by buying whatever the US is willing to sell.
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May 1, 2023 13:24
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To add to that - not only is Russian hardware being shown to be lacking, the Russians are demonstrating they are going to be unreliable suppliers that can now no longer guarantee delivery. They're going to have to prioritise supplying their own armed forces over at least the short to medium term. And the Russia MIC was already getting a reputation for being unable to deliver the goods (now it can no longer rely on selling off ex-Soviet stock). India pulled out of a major joint aircraft project a few years back for related reasons. Warm fuzzy feelings of cold war nostalgia toward the USSR will only last so long.
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May 1, 2023 13:29
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Disco Pope posted:Why don't Russia simply create rock and roll, Coca Cola and Hollywood?!? You make a good point, and it makes me a bit mad thinking about.
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May 1, 2023 13:45
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Lindybeige is superfically plausible right up until you hear him talking about a subject you know well yourself at which point.....
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May 1, 2023 14:05
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https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1652745698822049793?t=BMEpoSyDFL3pJl-d6MGyXw&s=19 If you are wondering why this guy is a former ombudsman, he joked on camera to the face of a child that survived a boat accident where 14 of their friends died about whether they enjoyed swimming
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May 1, 2023 14:07
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1652745698822049793?t=BMEpoSyDFL3pJl-d6MGyXw&s=19  This guy acts as though there won't be retaliation if Russia would actually go through with his stupid idea.
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May 1, 2023 14:15
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Antigravitas posted:Let's not get carried away here, the EU absolutely is a neoliberal project that is big into privatisations. Absolutely. The E.U. is not a good guy. But this does not mean Russia is a good guy by being against it.
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May 1, 2023 14:18
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Antigravitas posted:Let's not get carried away here, the EU absolutely is a neoliberal project that is big into privatisations. It's not neoliberal, it was built by christian and social democrats that do not believe that everything should be solved by the free market Case in point, the last significant privatisation in my home country happened was in 2010, all other state companies stayed owned by the state without any EU push to privatize
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May 1, 2023 14:19
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Socialism for me (Germany), market competition for thee (Greece)
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May 1, 2023 14:23
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1652745698822049793?t=BMEpoSyDFL3pJl-d6MGyXw&s=19 russian gallows humor is when the executioner tells joke and demands to know why you aren't laughing
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May 1, 2023 14:26
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Karate Bastard posted:I recall lindybeige being a bit of a climate denier nutter a while back. Am I misremembering, and if no did he get better? He's a giant moron who is to be disregarded on all topics
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May 1, 2023 14:33
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Samovar posted:Absolutely. The E.U. is not a good guy. Strategic Tea posted:Socialism for me (Germany), market competition for thee (Greece)  
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May 1, 2023 14:40
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When I was in college (late 90s) and we did a unit on EU economics, the Big Four Sick Men of Europe (the ones who were likely to miss convergence criteria for standardization on the Euro) were: Ireland, Spain, Portugal, and Greece. Things have changed a bit
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May 1, 2023 14:43
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TBF direct funding is just a fraction of what EU affects fiscally. Main fiscal / economic effects are realised indirectly through regulations and their domestic implementations. But yeah, it's been absolutely a net boon.
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May 1, 2023 14:44
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Data Graham posted:When I was in college (late 90s) and we did a unit on EU economics, the Big Four Sick Men of Europe (the ones who were likely to miss convergence criteria for standardization on the Euro) were: Ireland, Spain, Portugal, and Greece. Ireland figured out one weird trick lol
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May 1, 2023 14:49
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Somaen posted:It's not neoliberal Oh come on, the EU is a neoliberal shitshow run by lizard people. The fact that it gets some things right from time to time is not an excuse.
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May 1, 2023 14:49
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More like the Pee-You!!!!!!!!   Which is still better than anything Russia can offer in 2023 and well beyond
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May 1, 2023 14:53
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It's true that the EU is run by an army of this guy's inhuman clones But that's somehow better than the endless stampede of crass, corrupt, criminally incompetent, inbred shits who keep getting promoted in national politics and who are also neoliberál on top of all that.
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May 1, 2023 14:55
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Russian Children's Ombudsman posted:He wonders why the Polish Ambassador is yet to be found floating in the Moskva River. Maybe because... u can't float in something that sinks to the bottom of the sea EYOOOOO
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May 1, 2023 14:56
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May 1, 2023 15:01
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mobby_6kl posted:No, EU is good guy. I mean sure, everything always sucks, but relatively speaking it's absolutely net positive. Lol so for 2018 Germany is 17 billion "down", and Greece is 3 billion "up". Staggeringly huge numbers, just unfathomable, that must be like 5000% of Germany's GDP, it's a wonder they haven't gone under already Now find me some graphs for how much Germany has profited from adopting the Euro, how much Greece has lost, how much Germany profited from the Greek financial crisis, and how much of the Greek economy now belongs to Germany And then compare debt relief strategies for Germany post war and Greece post crisis
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May 1, 2023 15:10
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https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1652736480341549056?s=46&t=PJIxGDyp2ZcdczVnKDD3nA Everything’s a drone.
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May 1, 2023 15:14
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russians said someone set up them the bomb to derail a train in Bryansk. unfortunately minor derail
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May 1, 2023 15:32
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1652736480341549056?s=46&t=PJIxGDyp2ZcdczVnKDD3nA I dont think we can trust him anymore, this mf pays for twitter
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May 1, 2023 16:08
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boofhead posted:Lol so for 2018 Germany is 17 billion "down", and Greece is 3 billion "up". Staggeringly huge numbers, just unfathomable, that must be like 5000% of Germany's GDP, it's a wonder they haven't gone under already There's an EU thread in D&D if you want to continue the debate of how EU neolibs are the worst without derailing this.
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May 1, 2023 16:10
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1652736480341549056?s=46&t=PJIxGDyp2ZcdczVnKDD3nA
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May 1, 2023 16:15
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Sashimi posted:The spirit of the Kamchatka lives on. Put a fishing boat in front of the Kremlin with a note that Putin's been promoted and watch them blow it up.
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May 1, 2023 16:28
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1652736480341549056?s=46&t=PJIxGDyp2ZcdczVnKDD3nA If only there was a way to end this fear and insecurity for the Russian people ...Ah well, never the less
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