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Only good FNV path is the Yes Man path, the path of true royalty. Kill the presidents and topple their vertibirds
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Apr 30, 2023 06:27
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Youremother posted:Only good FNV path is the Yes Man path, the path of true royalty. Kill the presidents and topple their vertibirds yet in my arrogance i built a prison for the entire world [upside down lightly cracked yes man sprouting feathers]
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Oxxidation posted:chris avellone really really wanted to push the idea that the NCR was the worst faction in new vegas because a repetition of the same society would inevitably result in the same problems that led to the previous iteration's destruction It turns out that it’s really hard to do moral equivocation when the other faction is Roman larpers, one of the most perennially odious types of Guy in western history
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:It turns out that it’s really hard to do moral equivocation when the other faction is Roman larpers, one of the most perennially odious types of Guy in western history
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Apr 30, 2023 07:11
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imagine the worst kind of paradox forums rear end in a top hat now give him an army something something sword law
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Averting Hanlorn's suicide meant legion massacre all game, every game. Averting the disappointment of 10 Vigilant Gaze Purges the Horizon means swearing by gentleness all kalpa, every kalpa.
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Oxxidation posted:chris avellone really really wanted to push the idea that the NCR was the worst faction in new vegas because a repetition of the same society would inevitably result in the same problems that led to the previous iteration's destruction Chris Avellone wrote 3/4 of the DLCs (and the original conception of Caesar's Legion/Daughters of Hecate in the Black Isle tabletop game). the stuff we see in New Vegas proper is Josh Sawyer and/or John Gonzalez - Sawyer's main aim with Caesar was to have someone to spout Hegelian dialectics as part of the generally historical-materialist take on the series. he's on the record as saying the Legion aren't intended as morally equivalent to the other choices Avellone's through-line in the DLCs was usually one of a) critique of RPG mechanic b) semiotics stuff, culminating in Ulysses, whose big deal is both at the same time
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I honestly never really saw the point of FNV as "NCR is just as bad as the Legion" so much as "NCR is not fit for purpose, and the Legion is an example of how/why"
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GunnerJ posted:I honestly never really saw the point of FNV as "NCR is just as bad as the Legion" so much as "NCR is not fit for purpose, and the Legion is an example of how/why"  The Legion are organized and disciplined yet unrepentantly evil, and the NCR are well-meaning but regularly prove themselves to be woefully incompetent.
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girl dick energy posted:I usually end up going independent or siding with House, honestly. Yeah, he's a capitalist rear end in a top hat, but he's a capitalist rear end in a top hat who's kept he place steady. Meanwhile, it's constantly obvious that the NCR is overextending by trying to control the Mohave as well when they don't even have California fully re-civilized, and are leaving their civilian populations to foot the bill, and the Legion is the Legion. To be fair, the NCR aren't overextending to the Mojave because of simple expansionist reasons, they're doing it explicitly because the dam can help stabilise California. It was a dice roll. But yeah, it was a very poorly done dice roll. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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girl dick energy posted:
Kaisar is the "I am very smart" guy. Back in Fallout 1, Shady Sands had freshly locally constructed housing, on native American designs. In Fallout 2, NCR had made a lateral move to freshly constructed building on pre-war pre-fab designs. They are the only civilisation in the fallout-verse that even considers building something new. In new Vegas the NCR is unable to deploy that capacity to Vegas, or has lost it. They stick to tents and pre-war buildings. The legion also sticks to tents and pre-war buildings, and seem wholly unaware that the Romans had road-building and masonry skills. And House is of course doctrinally opposed to building anything that hasn't existed pre-war. Strangely we have that DLC Ulyssus guy alleging doom and gloom about the NCR, but when you nuke their supply lines you become able to travel there. Where you find out that they were using modern trucks on modern roads that were in at least as good condition as they are irl.
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Lt. Danger posted:as mentioned earlier: it's fine to not like or want to read something that feels uncomfortable or distressing. I think though people are responding to others externalising that discomfort by saying the author has to "be careful", they should have presented it differently by e.g. posting all in one go, was this really necessary etc. etc. pretty well said, also: Operant posted:in retrospect I probably shouldn't have done this as a one-update page, it will fly by in the backlog and that's mainly how I intend it to be read I don't even feel you should have to justify anything considering everything, and I didn't jump to any conclusions myself, but in case anyone did, keep this in mind!
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girl dick energy posted:Hell yeah. No Gods, No Masters. Take 'em all out (and don't feel too bad if the Enclave guys don't make it either).
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Shame we don't meet the Burned Man in the base game, he'd have been a better face for the legion
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New Vegas' biggest failing is that the Kings cannot rule the wasteland under the guiding principles of Elvis
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I did not mean to detail the thread but I think this was a healthy direction so I'm not ashamed
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RBA Starblade posted:New Vegas' biggest failing is that the Kings cannot rule the wasteland under the guiding principles of Elvis Be the change you want to see in the world
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Youremother posted:Only good FNV path is the Yes Man path, the path of true royalty. Kill the presidents and topple their vertibirds Reach heaven through posting (mail).
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Google Jeb Bush posted:yet in my arrogance i built a prison for the entire world so is benny juggernaut star in this analogy? disrupted the prophecy/cycle by taking down the person who carried the key?
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Jetamo posted:so is benny juggernaut star in this analogy? disrupted the prophecy/cycle by taking down the person who carried the key? I guess it works.
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It's been less than a month since I removed my bookmark for the FNV thread after having read and posted there for near a decade; "time to move on" I thought to myself. Yet here we are. It just goes to show, you can't escape your past. what if Benny's suit had hexagons instead. Bee casino
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I am legitimately stunned there are people dumb enough to think that the NCR being critiqued also means it’s meant to be seen as morally exactly the same as Caesar’s Legion. Man did you know two things can be bad but also different wild I know.
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ThaumPenguin posted:It's been less than a month since I removed my bookmark for the FNV thread after having read and posted there for near a decade; "time to move on" I thought to myself. Yet here we are. It just goes to show, you can't escape your past. Ya like jazz?
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Is Maya supposed to be the Skull Knight in this story?
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Captain Oblivious posted:I am legitimately stunned there are people dumb enough to think that the NCR being critiqued also means it’s meant to be seen as morally exactly the same as Caesar’s Legion. It probably didn't help that there was an entire dlc where the dumbest man in the west rants at you about it for a while
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Joke Miriam posted:Is Maya supposed to be the Skull Knight in this story? She has a comparable character arc but Maya actually has a personality.
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Victis posted:Nah gently caress that Whatever people might think about the last page and its place in the comic... this is weird. You're weird.
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Oxxidation posted:my guess is six years was the point where maya decided to forgo the god-killing blade for a manamum mana-killing blade "The real sword was
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RBA Starblade posted:It probably didn't help that there was an entire dlc where the dumbest man in the west rants at you about it for a while I am legitimately stunned that anyone would come away from Ulysses thinking him anything other than the dumbest man in the west.
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Captain Oblivious posted:I am legitimately stunned that anyone would come away from Ulysses thinking him anything other than the dumbest man in the west. I still wish there was a dialogue option to simply explain to him what a courier actually is
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avellone didn’t write his filibusterers with the expectation that the player would dismiss them. a big reason why lonesome road stank is that it really wants you to think Ulysses has a point, and that’s just too big a lift. his premise and values are too abstract, introduced too late, and require you to contort your perception of your character to fit his grievances so yes, obviously the NCR doesn’t come up negatively against the Legion in pretty much any way, but one of NV’s key writing staff disagreed. Caesar’s cargo-cult Pax Romana is supposed to represent a stabler but far grimmer paradigm for postwar civilization, but in the actual game they come off as a mob of hooting rapists whose stability hinges on a pissy history teacher with brain cancer. avellone’s conception of the dichotomy between the two factions doesn’t really exist in the game proper, but that’s the one that LR and Ulysses’ premise is built on
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Ulysses just came off as profoundly mentally unwell to me, never really considered the possibility of him being written to make the player go "well hang on now let's hear him out"
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ulysses' philosophy of nation-as-symbol, the resurrection of societies, and cultural appropriation was meant to be some big thematic crescendo not just to new vegas but to the entire franchise it went down like a damp whoopee cushion but the NV's run of dlc gave him a huge amount of gravitas for a reason
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I'm permabanned courier semioticstomper69
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forgot thread was still talking about NV for a bit and was puzzling over how all of this fit into the Oddessy
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I like how the DLC was insistent on doing gotchas like "hah... this is a result of you not letting go of your greed and your lust for the past" my dude I forgot this triggered the DLC i walked into this trigger by accident while getting out of the rain what are you even talking about.
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