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Ardryn posted:Oh yes, it's very much worth noting that the D15/PS are massive rear end dual-tower coolers packed with heat pipes (the PS has 7), and the 216 at least has a very open interior and comes with two 160mm fans in front and a 140mm in back, and the 78 is a 'dinky' little 8-core processor. I knew all this going in, the case will last me hopefully until the improbable death of ATX design and the PS will hopefully get adapters for whatever I go for down the line. Nothing wrong with 3/4ths kilo of overkill! Especially with noctua and thermalright both having good track records of supporting coolers with upgrade kits for later sockets. X3D chips just tend to have hotter observed temperatures than normal chips, even with overkill cooling, due to the cache chip sitting between the cores and the IHS+cooler. It's a (mild) insulating layer. New Zealand can eat me posted:What's the best way to make sure I get notified of such a sale? I don't necessarily need it, but now that I have spare memory and a GPU sitting around I might as well do this too and piece towards turning the 3950X into a networking mule. I'd do PCpartpicker + camelcamelcamel.
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I have a 7950x3D on a Prosiphon Elite in a Fractal Torrent case, and I can't make it break 70C in Prime95. Before the new BIOS revisions it was stable with a -20mv offset, but after it started throwing errors in OCCT, so I had to back off on that.
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For all the people with multi-CCD X3D chips, I'm curious whether you've installed the nonsense that parks cores completely, or whether you manage it by using start.exe /affinity to dictate which cores a process runs on. It seems to me that parking the cores completely mean that even background processes can't run on them, whereas with affinity adjustments you can at least make sure background cores aren't taking away per-core cputime from the game.
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Yeah, the 7000 X3D chips have tweaked voltage curves and they just can't draw enough power to be a problem. This means they run cooler than the non-X3D chips unless you undervolt/power limit those.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:For all the people with multi-CCD X3D chips, I'm curious whether you've installed the nonsense that parks cores completely, or whether you manage it by using start.exe /affinity to dictate which cores a process runs on. I don't bother, tbh. But if I need to for some reason, I use Process Lasso to do the "soft" affinity adjustment just like the AMD first party solution does. E: cpu sets: https://bitsum.com/processlasso-docs/#cpusets
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Yeah, the 7000 X3D chips have tweaked voltage curves and they just can't draw enough power to be a problem. This means they run cooler than the non-X3D chips unless you undervolt/power limit those. That makes sense. The 5800x3d definitely seems to needs an AIO to hold 4.5 but it’s not like 4.3 is that different. OTOH who can argue with RGBs and 200MHz?
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AMD back in the red in their financials, although not as bad as Intel. Client computing absolutely collapsed, just like with Intel, and it doesn't seem like their server push has been nearly as successful as I thought it was going to be. Flat YoY. Their "gaming" segment was still strong though, which we know isnt the GPU portion, so I imagine that is Steam Deck and PS5/Xbone/future PS5 Pro money. https://ir.amd.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1128/amd-reports-first-quarter-2023-financial-results
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Thanks a lot for the feedback! Would have had to wait or hunt around the town for Arctic case fans, but a few PWM Pure Wings 2 were in stock. Ran out of patience, so I now have two 140mms for the front and a 120mm for the top of the 110R. Would have bought a third 140 if they'd had it. So those are going in. If the airflow situation doesn't improve radically and the mood carries me, I might take a good hard look at what the front panel is made from (I doubt it's stronger than Bosch). Looking at tower coolers next, though slightly hesitant to start disassembling what basically works (and to spend more money). Peerless Assassin nowhere to be seen unfortunately - probably could order from Germany or something. Anything else come close in terms of value? There's a selection of Arctic Freezers for example, which might be a couple of days to order but are listed at least. Duuk fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 3, 2023 |
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Cygni posted:AMD back in the red in their financials, although not as bad as Intel. Client computing absolutely collapsed, just like with Intel, and it doesn't seem like their server push has been nearly as successful as I thought it was going to be. Flat YoY. The consoles seem to be continuing to pay off for AMD as a lifeline of low-margin volume when times are tough. It's pretty good business that they hung onto them.
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Duuk posted:Looking at tower coolers next, though slightly hesitant to start disassembling what basically works (and to spend more money). Peerless Assassin nowhere to be seen unfortunately - probably could order from Germany or something. Anything else come close in terms of value? There's a selection of Arctic Freezers for example, which might be a couple of days to order but are listed at least. Arctic Freezers are fine. In the US they're more expensive than other budget solutions, but where you are they might be cheaper -- arctic are based in germany. Ideally you'd like the 34 or 35, which are 120mm fan size, but tbqh the cheaper ones with 100mm fans would do fine. (A 100mm fan isn't easily replaceable if it dies though.) Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Yeah, the 7000 X3D chips have tweaked voltage curves and they just can't draw enough power to be a problem. This means they run cooler than the non-X3D chips unless you undervolt/power limit those. Yeah, like, the main difference from the 5000 series is that the plain X non-3D chips boost until they're at thermal max or the VRM cries uncle. A 7950X will draw over 250 watts! Everything is relative and the X3D having sane power limits makes it seem nice and cool by comparison. OTOH I should have been looking at GN this whole time because the 7800X3D does draw fewer watts than the 5800X3D. So it really is easier to cool than its predecessor, regardless of the insulator effect.
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Twerk from Home posted:The consoles seem to be continuing to pay off for AMD as a lifeline of low-margin volume when times are tough. It's pretty good business that they hung onto them. nvidia has only themselves to blame for this, apparently they were very difficult to work with on the original xbox and ps3. Nintendo seems to be doing alright at least.
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Nvidia's performing the best among the big three financially due to high margin AI facing products so I don't think they're missing out by not being in consoles
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New Zealand can eat me posted:The least worst it's ever been was when DDR4 was new, because intel 6/7th gen sucked hard enough to put people off DDR4
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Palladium posted:because intel 6/7th gen sucked hard enough to put people off DDR4 This feels really revisionist, Skylake was great and people were enthusiastic about 6600/6700K chips. Early DDR4 was before then when the HEDT platform used DDR4 while the client platform was still on DDR3. The 5820K was a hell of a great product and stood the test of time. 6 hyper-threaded cores for under $400 with quad channel DDR4 at the time when $250 desktop i5s were quad cores without hyper-threading? Hell yeah. You could do 8 DIMM DDR4 builds for cheap-ish.
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shrike82 posted:Nvidia's performing the best among the big three financially due to high margin AI facing products so I don't think they're missing out by not being in consoles AMD's margins on each console APU are rumored to be 10-15%. While not the kings ransom Nvidia gets for their AI stuff, given the volume of sales, they are indeed missing out.
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Yudo posted:AMD's margins on each console APU are rumored to be 10-15%. While not the kings ransom Nvidia gets for their AI stuff, given the volume of sales, they are indeed missing out. The 2nd best selling console of all time and still 2nd best selling at the moment is effectively a rebranded off the shelf Nvidia design.
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boy this asus beta bios sure is taking it's sweet time coming out of beta.
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runaway dog posted:boy this asus beta bios sure is taking it's sweet time coming out of beta. I think the official version of AGESA 1.0.0.7 is supposed to come out May 6th, and the non-beta BIOS versions should be using that, right? https://twitter.com/harukaze5719/status/1652659459024654336?s=20
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runaway dog posted:boy this asus beta bios sure is taking it's sweet time coming out of beta. i've resigned myself to just never getting the update to x470 that adds curve optimization support
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Kibner posted:I think the official version of AGESA 1.0.0.7 is supposed to come out May 6th, and the non-beta BIOS versions should be using that, right? All the parts that the local retailer ordered for my new system has arrived, but the GPU, monitor and SSD I bought before still haven't arrived - though at least I finally figured out the backorder issues, so supposedly it should arrive by the 10th of May. If I'm lucky, Asrock will have finished integrating and distributing firmware with AGESA 1.0.0.7 by then.
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I am 100% sure gigabyte will have bugs in their new bios, because oh boy does f5b have issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2n4rOWehtQ
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yeah the agesa 1.0.0.7 one is 1410 and it's currently in beta, gigabyte got one too that apparently is not labelled beta, and buildzoid was having his board shoot up to 1.4+ still while tweaking completely unrelated things, and it was also just straight up ignoring his settings.wargames posted:I am 100% sure gigabyte will have bugs in their new bios, because oh boy does f5b have issues. laffo, almost same time edit: oh that's not even 1.0.0.7 oops runaway dog fucked around with this message at 16:33 on May 4, 2023 |
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runaway dog posted:laffo, almost same time too slow nerd! but yeah he is running the emergency 1.0.0.6 bios that SHOULD LOCK THE VCORE TO 1.3.
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wargames posted:too slow nerd! but yeah he is running the emergency 1.0.0.6 bios that SHOULD LOCK THE VCORE TO 1.3. someone put the decibel in the wrong place again
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Cygni posted:The 2nd best selling console of all time and still 2nd best selling at the moment is effectively a rebranded off the shelf Nvidia design. Nvidia is still missing out. AMD is too. Monopoly is the most viable tech business strategy.
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Cygni posted:The 2nd best selling console of all time and still 2nd best selling at the moment is effectively a rebranded off the shelf Nvidia design. bonus: it's on a legacy node so they can keep pumping them out without eating into their wafer allocation for high-margin products
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repiv posted:bonus: it's on a legacy node so they can keep pumping them out without eating into their wafer allocation for high-margin products Oberon is 7nm. While not exactly legacy, it isn't competing with any of their other high margin products in terms of wafer allocation. Edit: from AMD's earnings call, it is clear that consoles are the only thing keeping their consumer graphics division relevant (as much as they want to tout the sales of the 7900xtx). Yudo fucked around with this message at 17:06 on May 4, 2023 |
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we're talking about the switch, which is currently on TSMC 16nm (formerly TSMC 20nm)
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repiv posted:we're talking about the switch, which is currently on TSMC 16nm (formerly TSMC 20nm) Oh, lol, fair enough. My mistake.
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Cygni posted:The 2nd best selling console of all time and still 2nd best selling at the moment is effectively a rebranded off the shelf Nvidia design. Switch 2 could use that new amd z1 APU and that would just dunk on switch 1 hard.
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it won't though, the nvidia leak all but confirmed they're making the next gen switch SOC the console makers aren't likely to switch teams for as long they want to maintain 100% backwards compatibility
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repiv posted:it won't though, the nvidia leak all but confirmed they're making the next gen switch SOC When has Nintendo ever cared about that? Nintendo has history wanted to use cheaper hardware so they can profit off of console sales as well as games. Sony and MS accepted losses on the consoles but made up for in game sales. So the amd z1 might be too much $ for that.
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Did AMD fully shut down / sell off / give up at making ARM CPUs? I feel like Ampere, AWS, and Apple have already done the hard work, and software portability to ARM is the best that it's ever been. ARM may not be the outright fastest option for single-threaded work, but my understanding is that there is some power efficiency to be had and ARM on a modern node like TSMC 5nm beats both current Epyc and Xeon for power efficiency. Either that, or AWS is running their ARM pricing as a loss leader right now.
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Twerk from Home posted:Did AMD fully shut down / sell off / give up at making ARM CPUs? Pretty much yes. Twerk from Home posted:I feel like Ampere, AWS, and Apple have already done the hard work, and software portability to ARM is the best that it's ever been. The problem for any chipmaker like AMD is that the big customers, if they want an ARM server, can make it themselves. Amazon did, Google is doing so, and even MS supposedly has a team poking at it. And that's not just AMD. Samsung has occasionally made noise about doing ARM server CPUs, and there have been a bunch of smaller companies that come in with a splashy announcement about their new server chips. Some of them have been successful for a generation or two, but the ARM market is insanely competitive.
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