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rwm is already running the headline “putin survives assassination attempt” so it’s def a false flag
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If Russia is running around screaming that Ukraine did it, something doesn't smell right with the attack. Russia wouldn't want to give off the vibe internally that they're somehow weak to Ukraine flying drones into their loving capital and hitting the Kremlin, so the only way it makes sense is it's FSB trying to shake international support for Ukraine by claiming that this is an aggressive strike against Russian territory.
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May 3, 2023 16:10
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I'm reading that as an excuse to make more civ infrastructure into smouldering pits. A very brave, very Russian show of force.
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May 3, 2023 16:12
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orange juche posted:If Russia is running around screaming that Ukraine did it, something doesn't smell right with the attack. Russia wouldn't want to give off the vibe internally that they're somehow weak to Ukraine flying drones into their loving capital and hitting the Kremlin, so the only way it makes sense is it's FSB trying to shake international support for Ukraine by claiming that this is an aggressive strike against Russian territory. I feel like it would be more of a Kremlin play to make an argument to their own people that the Ukrainians are the aggressors and thus the war has to continue, because I can't imagine anyone abroad buying it.
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May 3, 2023 16:18
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I don't think there is any course of action that could be comfortably evaluated as "too stupid for Russia to engage in" with respect to this conflict. They are 100% high on their own supply. Having an "assassination attempt" on the eve of some military parade or whatever sounds pretty straightforward. I'm sure morale in the rank and file is even more dire than Russian's are used to.
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May 3, 2023 16:18
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A.o.D. posted:There's video of the drone 'strike' out there.
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May 3, 2023 16:33
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If Putin ordered action within Russia in a location where he probably has a good understanding of the reality but which seems nonsensical to us, it's probably actually for internal political purposes that we don't fully understand. Putin might be a terrible military leader, but he didn't get where he is by being bad at internal politics and control. Alternatively, it's another military fuckup by Russia, which is obviously plausible.
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May 3, 2023 16:36
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Dirk the Daring is a mobik?
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May 3, 2023 16:58
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glynnenstein posted:If Putin ordered action within Russia in a location where he probably has a good understanding of the reality but which seems nonsensical to us, it's probably actually for internal political purposes that we don't fully understand. Putin might be a terrible military leader, but he didn't get where he is by being bad at internal politics and control. Yeah, I also think that Putin is much more motivated by domestic politics then a lot of his/his foreign fan's/his foreign enemies' propaganda suggests. I even still assume that the Nordstream pipeline was blown up by Russians who were primarily motivated by domestic politics. Hell, it might turn out it was some domestic terrorist group that was 100% made up of police informants from different departments.
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May 3, 2023 18:01
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false flag or not, just going to point out that hitting the kremlin with a drone would be the single happiest day of bydanov's entire life
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May 3, 2023 18:40
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Give it a day and see what kind of lies Russia comes up with. If they have Ukrainian driver's licenses of prisoners in custody with signed confessions proving their intent to be as big a Nazi as possible and to assassinate Putin personally then you'll know it was a false flag.
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May 3, 2023 18:48
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The comedy option is they tried to do a false attack and accidentally set Kremlin on fire.
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May 3, 2023 18:52
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I wonder which version of the Sims they guided the drone with
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May 3, 2023 18:54
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:lol I love to false flag attack my own capital because ?????? Get in losers we're doing false flag attacks on our capitals 
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May 3, 2023 19:02
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Dein Specht posted:WHAT AIRDEFENSE DOING Hahahaha holy poo poo Battle of Britain all over again but better
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May 3, 2023 19:08
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Reminder that Putin used the FSB to blow up an apartment building in Russia to get in power. If this is a false flag attack on Russian soil it wouldn't be his first.
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May 3, 2023 19:14
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spankmeister posted:Reminder that Putin used the FSB to blow up an apartment building in Russia to get in power. If this is a false flag attack on Russian soil it wouldn't be his first. Ukraine was also tracking and warning about False Flag attacks previously, so Russia has been looking for an opportunity Just didn't realize how much of a joke it would be.
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May 3, 2023 19:15
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FSB searching every vehicle within 50km of the Kremlin looking for copies of The Sims 3.
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May 3, 2023 20:25
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I've seen some stuff on social media that suggests that the "assassination attempt" at the Kremlin is justification to take out Zelenskyy.
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May 3, 2023 20:35
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A.o.D. posted:I've seen some stuff on social media that suggests that the "assassination attempt" at the Kremlin is justification to take out Zelenskyy. They already tried to take him out at the start of this fiasco. And I doubt, given how popular Zelensky is, taking him out would do anything but create a martyr.
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May 3, 2023 20:36
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A.o.D. posted:I've seen some stuff on social media that suggests that the "assassination attempt" at the Kremlin is justification to take out Zelenskyy. When did Putin ever need a justification for that?
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May 3, 2023 20:36
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Hey, I'm just repeating what I saw. Don't expect me to rationalize or justify this poo poo.
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May 3, 2023 20:39
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https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1653836377891414040?s=20 A good analysis of the different footage. https://twitter.com/BrynnTannehill/status/1653749827086213125?s=20 This thread is interesting because it starts out with some solid political analysis of what it means if Ukraine did it, but then she's more and more open to the idea of a false flag. Interesting to see the opinion shift tweet by tweet.
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May 3, 2023 20:40
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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1653769407099707395?t=0JKGu4_2NwGgJ1kstqzKLw&s=19 It's always stamp time lol, commemorative stamps in response to Russia blaming Ukraine for the Kremlin thing Replies are humorous in that they're howling about how a stamp concept is proof that Ukraine did it and Russia must respond with DA NOOKS
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May 3, 2023 20:49
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Obvious rogue black op by the UA postal service confirmed.
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May 3, 2023 20:53
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Ukraine actually denying involvement, which is remarkable insofar as they rarely ever deny involvement. Kremlin also got the narrative of 'this was an attempted assassination' and 'this is the first time Moscow has been bombed since 1942' out basically as it happened, which certainly is convenient.
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May 3, 2023 20:53
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Ukraine actually denying involvement, which is unusual. There'd be nothing to gain really by drone striking the Kremlin. Sure I guess it gets SHORAD pulled back towards Moscow but a more strategic move would be targeting fuel depots before going for the Kremlin, since it would reveal that you can hit a structure 450km away from the border, and hitting a bunch of fuel depots would achieve the same thing but be more relevant. Now they're going to focus their air defenses around strategic assets in Russia making actually damaging strikes harder to pull off. I'm assuming they didn't have air defense batteries already around these things since they didn't think they'd be inside the range of Ukraine. orange juche fucked around with this message at 21:01 on May 3, 2023 |
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May 3, 2023 20:59
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Could be some great trolling opportunities here though. "We would never expend ordinance on attacking the Kremlin. We conserve our resources in order to hit valuable targets instead."
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May 3, 2023 21:00
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War Boi posted:Sorry for post necromancy, but I’m just now getting caught up- but the way it was explained to me was that it was Soviet scientists who first conceived of and published on the concept of stealth. In typical Soviet fashion it went nowhere, meanwhile the AIA (Now NASIC) got their hands on a copy of the seminal technical paper on stealth and translated it for use by the U.S. and in typical U.S. fashion, it went somewhere. It's true. Soviet censors didn't recognize the military value of the science, so it was allowed to be published internationally. Someone at Lockheed read it and probably drat near had a stroke.
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May 3, 2023 21:32
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glynnenstein posted:Obvious rogue black op by the UA postal service confirmed. And I thought the US Postal Inspection Service was loving ruthless 
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May 3, 2023 21:41
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Hannibal Rex posted:Yeah, but they didn't sink their own false flagship in order to blame Ukraine and justify further escalation. They play down Ukraine's capability, not up. No but they initially claimed they sank it themselves accidentally.
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May 3, 2023 22:03
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Per Wikipedia
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May 3, 2023 22:10
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Godholio posted:No but they initially claimed they sank it themselves accidentally. They kept the Kremlin footage under wraps for ~12 hours, before they reached a decision how to respond. If they could've claimed a chimney sweep had a smoking accident, they might have, but they assessed how many witnesses there were. Hannibal Rex fucked around with this message at 22:14 on May 3, 2023 |
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Icon Of Sin posted:And I thought the US Postal Inspection Service was loving ruthless You know poo poo is real when USPIS gets involved
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Godholio posted:It's true. Soviet censors didn't recognize the military value of the science, so it was allowed to be published internationally. Someone at Lockheed read it and probably drat near had a stroke. IIRC (it's been a while since I read Skunk Works), part of the issue was that turning the theory into an actual airplane design would take an ungodly amount of computing power. So it was seen as "cute theorem, no military significance" until Lockheed said "okay, but what if we buy a bunch of computers?" Even a lot of folks in the US required some Kelly Johnson salesmanship to buy into it. e: beaten with a citation, my recollection is correct! 
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I thought the other half was that the fly-by-wire systems needed to make such an unstable aircraft actually fly weren’t a thing when the paper was written.
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Vengarr posted:I thought the other half was that the fly-by-wire systems needed to make such an unstable aircraft actually fly weren’t a thing when the paper was written. Fly by wire was first used in 41, I don't think that was a huge deal by then.
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May 3, 2023 22:38
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CainFortea posted:Fly by wire was first used in 41, I don't think that was a huge deal by then. Is that 41 iteration just fly-by-wire replacing cables and hydraulics, or fly-by-wire using computer avionics to compensate for an inherently unstable airframe?
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May 3, 2023 22:42
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CainFortea posted:Fly by wire was first used in 41, I don't think that was a huge deal by then. The flight computers to handle an aircraft like that probably were. The F-117 was so bonkers it had quadruple redundancy built in.
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Godholio posted:The flight computers to handle an aircraft like that probably were. The F-117 was so bonkers it had quadruple redundancy built in. I didn't say it was something off the shelf, but it's not like they were having to reinvent what computers are or something. The space shuttle was also fly by wire and was as aerodynamic as a brick and was designed at around the same time.
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