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Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007


zone posted:


Prigozhin gave not a single gently caress about what happened, apparently, only asking for more shells

Sounds like the kind of thing someome who directed a low risk bombing of the kremlin would say.

Also apparantly the filmed bomb drone is the second one - people were climbing onto the roof to inspect the damage. And put out the fire.

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Jan 27, 2018
A second drone sharted the Kremlin

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Tai posted:

Did I get that right..

Well it's either all that or Russia doing a pathetic false flag to prop up support for an unpopular war special military operation. Impossible to say which!

E: like seriously back in the day they used to be at least half decent at this poo poo and now they're doing the nationstate version of "blacks rule".

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

Cartoon Man posted:

Have they threatened nukes yet?

Actually, this time they say one of Ukraine's methods is "nuclear blackmail" :shrug: just the usual bizarro world of Russian propaganda

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1653762417216634891

and official statement says that drone attack was an attempt to embarrass Russia in front of its foreign guests on 9 May? Not sure who is coming... maybe Luka, Taliban?

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1653765592564875266

Ukrainian spokesman: “Maybe it was a UFO.”

https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1653763437799825412

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Tankies be like "Oh, the drones exploded indirectly over the Kremlin and didn't blow up Putin's bedroom? I was told Ukraine was WINNING!?!??! :smug:"

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Tai
Mar 8, 2006
I'm looking forward to a few melt downs tonight on those russian expert group hugs

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1653759940958334981
They're definitely not very happy about what happened. Prepare for some coping and seething in retaliation tonight.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
I thought Russia beefed up it's AA in Moscow.

How tf do 2 drones make it to the Kremlin?

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



zone posted:

They're definitely not very happy about what happened. Prepare for some coping and seething in retaliation tonight.

Well maybe next time they should aim better and loving hit Putin so they don't have to cry about it afterwards.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



zone posted:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1653759940958334981
They're definitely not very happy about what happened. Prepare for some coping and seething in retaliation tonight.

Even funnier is it's coping and seething over a likely false flag by the Russian government to shake international support for Ukraine. Remember yesterday their propagandists were interviewing Kevin McCarthy, speaker of the House in the US Congress and asked him if he would cut aid for Ukraine, and his answer was "gently caress you, child killers, get out of Ukraine" and he's the leader of the conservative party in control of the US House of Representatives.

Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007


Those drones were almost 100% launched with a mile of the kremlin because of their design.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Dwesa posted:

Actually, this time they say one of Ukraine's methods is "nuclear blackmail" :shrug: just the usual bizarro world of Russian propaganda

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1653762417216634891

and official statement says that drone attack was an attempt to embarrass Russia in front of its foreign guests on 9 May? Not sure who is coming... maybe Luka, Taliban?

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1653765592564875266

Ukrainian spokesman: “Maybe it was a UFO.”

https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1653763437799825412

Xenocides
Jan 14, 2008

This world looks very scary....


Drone_Fragger posted:

Those drones were almost 100% launched with a mile of the kremlin because of their design.

So more of those globohomo Hitler worshipping Mein Kampf reading Sims 3 players?

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
Serious question: what is the point of Russia trying to do false flag attacks to justify another 100,000+ soldier conscription to all the filthy fake Russians not in Moscow/St. Petersbug and/or come up with plausible deniability about how Those Goddamn Ukrainians are still sniveling weak cowards that are also extremely dangerous and crippling the second mightiest army in the 21th century because of support by The West and Wagner wasting all the good ammo? If Russia really wants another wave of soldiers thrown into the meatgrinder to kill more kids and bomb more hospitals why go through all this elaborate pretense poo poo?
It is not like that this time (unfortunately) is going to rile up the people to get rid of Putin by suddenly realizing the war is idiot poo poo for fuckers, and Russia blatantly gives zero fucks about what anybody has to say about what Russia is doing, with the only response being notably higher rates of arrests and window accidents for a day. It also isn't like this is going to justify Putin hitting the big red shiny button for real this time, which he won't loving hit given all of the empty threats in the past year.

Unless I'm missing something obvious :v:

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



EorayMel posted:

Serious question: what is the point of Russia trying to do false flag attacks to justify another 100,000+ soldier conscription to all the filthy fake Russians not in Moscow/St. Petersbug and/or come up with plausible deniability about how Those Goddamn Ukrainians are still sniveling weak cowards that are also extremely dangerous and crippling the second mightiest army in the 21th century because of support by The West and Wagner wasting all the good ammo? If Russia really wants another wave of soldiers thrown into the meatgrinder to kill more kids and bomb more hospitals why go through all this elaborate pretense poo poo?
It is not like that this time (unfortunately) is going to rile up the people to get rid of Putin by suddenly realizing the war is idiot poo poo for fuckers, and Russia blatantly gives zero fucks about what anybody has to say about what Russia is doing, with the only response being notably higher rates of arrests and window accidents for a day. It also isn't like this is going to justify Putin hitting the big red shiny button for real this time, which he won't loving hit given all of the empty threats in the past year.

Unless I'm missing something obvious :v:

Russian internal politics is very strange to a western observer and you shouldn't really aim to understand it completely. Lots of armchair experts have cropped up since 2022 but it all boils down to "poo poo doesn't make any sort of coherent sense, but is par for the course for Russia" for most of it.

When your entire worldview is shaped by the lens of propaganda and state pressure, things get weird. People who plan this poo poo are not immune to their own propaganda and are definitely getting high on their own supply, anyone with the sense to reject the bullshit is either in jail or has left Russia.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 17:24 on May 3, 2023

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 7 minutes!
Nevermind

Willo567 fucked around with this message at 17:31 on May 3, 2023

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012




Are you afraid for your balls to be nuked, Willo567?

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

EorayMel posted:

Serious question: what is the point of Russia trying to do false flag attacks to justify another 100,000+ soldier conscription to all the filthy fake Russians not in Moscow/St. Petersbug and/or come up with plausible deniability about how Those Goddamn Ukrainians are still sniveling weak cowards that are also extremely dangerous and crippling the second mightiest army in the 21th century because of support by The West and Wagner wasting all the good ammo? If Russia really wants another wave of soldiers thrown into the meatgrinder to kill more kids and bomb more hospitals why go through all this elaborate pretense poo poo?
It is not like that this time (unfortunately) is going to rile up the people to get rid of Putin by suddenly realizing the war is idiot poo poo for fuckers, and Russia blatantly gives zero fucks about what anybody has to say about what Russia is doing, with the only response being notably higher rates of arrests and window accidents for a day. It also isn't like this is going to justify Putin hitting the big red shiny button for real this time, which he won't loving hit given all of the empty threats in the past year.

Unless I'm missing something obvious :v:

We don't really know that it's a false-flag, could be some idiots with a drone. If it is though, it's because Putin needs to manufacture the consent for another mobilization. He can't actually do things if 90% of the population is against it.

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

Fun Shoe

Are you just posting for attention, or are you really buying this dumb poo poo?

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



LRADIKAL posted:

Are you just posting for attention, or are you really buying this dumb poo poo?

Willo567 is afraid their balls will be nuked again

Tai
Mar 8, 2006

EorayMel posted:

Serious question: what is the point of Russia trying to do false flag attacks to justify another 100,000+ soldier conscription to all the filthy fake Russians not in Moscow/St. Petersbug and/or come up with plausible deniability about how Those Goddamn Ukrainians are still sniveling weak cowards that are also extremely dangerous and crippling the second mightiest army in the 21th century because of support by The West and Wagner wasting all the good ammo? If Russia really wants another wave of soldiers thrown into the meatgrinder to kill more kids and bomb more hospitals why go through all this elaborate pretense poo poo?
It is not like that this time (unfortunately) is going to rile up the people to get rid of Putin by suddenly realizing the war is idiot poo poo for fuckers, and Russia blatantly gives zero fucks about what anybody has to say about what Russia is doing, with the only response being notably higher rates of arrests and window accidents for a day. It also isn't like this is going to justify Putin hitting the big red shiny button for real this time, which he won't loving hit given all of the empty threats in the past year.

Unless I'm missing something obvious :v:

Think North Korea dumb poo poo then ramp it up. The olds in the country are mostly hosed from propaganda and the olds in power thinks it works on the young and middle age. A lot will have the same reaction as we do which is face palm levels of child like stupidity. Buuuuut, you'll get 5-10 years in jail if you talk about it.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://www.the-sun.com/news/8025198/ukraine-tries-assassinate-putin-drone/

zone
Dec 6, 2016

LRADIKAL posted:

Are you just posting for attention, or are you really buying this dumb poo poo?

Wouldn't be the first time Osechkin's exaggerated for the sake of attention, as well.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
Maybe trying to look for logic is poor material for being in an authoritarian dictatorship clubhouse, I wouldn't know :shrug:

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012




Come on, the sun is not a valid news source.

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 7 minutes!

zone posted:

Wouldn't be the first time Osechkin's exaggerated for the sake of attention, as well.

when was the first

zone
Dec 6, 2016

If Mighty Russia's going to do anything at all for being humiliated this time around they'll use some of their irreplaceable missiles and somewhat more replaceable drones in an angry monkey tantrum aimed at saving face, that's pretty much it

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!

orange juche posted:

Come on, the sun is not a valid news source.

Everything I've seen in there I've seen reported elsewhere, but its played up for sensationalism. I'm sure we'll see a lot of rhetoric and implied threats of this nature though.

Willo567 posted:

when was the first

I can't recall specifically, but I've seen similarly bellicose rhetoric from him before too.

Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 17:43 on May 3, 2023

Tai
Mar 8, 2006
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1653751602199646211

I want to come back from dinner to lots of meltdowns on russian TV

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1653743763557081092
:qqsay: we will ban all the drones, that'll stop them!

Honestly, kind of surprised they didn't have that already--drones are largely banned in the District of Columbia and we're not even at war (officially, anyway).

Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 00:45 on May 4, 2023

Tai
Mar 8, 2006
Deleted, a bit extra was added after posting a tweet thread

Russians shelling their own city after it voted massively in favour of joining in russia in a totaly legit vote with independant oversight.

Tai fucked around with this message at 18:07 on May 3, 2023

RoboBoogie
Sep 18, 2008

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1653759940958334981
They're definitely not very happy about what happened. Prepare for some coping and seething in retaliation tonight.

this is definitely a false flag, it would make more sense to use himars instead of a drone.

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

EorayMel posted:

Serious question: what is the point of Russia trying to do false flag attacks to justify another 100,000+ soldier conscription to all the filthy fake Russians not in Moscow/St. Petersbug and/or come up with plausible deniability about how Those Goddamn Ukrainians are still sniveling weak cowards that are also extremely dangerous and crippling the second mightiest army in the 21th century because of support by The West and Wagner wasting all the good ammo? If Russia really wants another wave of soldiers thrown into the meatgrinder to kill more kids and bomb more hospitals why go through all this elaborate pretense poo poo?
It is not like that this time (unfortunately) is going to rile up the people to get rid of Putin by suddenly realizing the war is idiot poo poo for fuckers, and Russia blatantly gives zero fucks about what anybody has to say about what Russia is doing, with the only response being notably higher rates of arrests and window accidents for a day. It also isn't like this is going to justify Putin hitting the big red shiny button for real this time, which he won't loving hit given all of the empty threats in the past year.

Unless I'm missing something obvious :v:

My take is they refuse to admit they've lost yet again and are doubling down for the 5th time so they do actually need another draft as some leaks have reported. The first one wasn't exactly cheered by the populace as a heroic endeavor and they had to force people into it. A second draft would be much worse.

So operating on the terms where you must continue the war when most of your army has died then you must do a second, bigger, more ugly draft. This draft would be different than the first as everyone realizes the first draft failed and those people mostly died. They also have less people to draft after throwing the infirm and elderly at the trenches already so this draft will cut deeper. It would be received worse as they will have to force more people at gunpoint to go die like the original conscripts.

In stupid strategic terms they also probably are going to try to do a bigger draft because they obviously think the problem is lack of foot soldiers. The more people they have to force at gunpoint to their deaths the worse it looks domestically and internationally.

I'm not saying that kremlin attack is fake but it honestly looks like a WWE pyrotechnic explosion like Kane came out of the kremlin and raised his hands while the flag symbolically poofed up in smoke in a fireball. It looks extremely lovely so it's down to if you think Ukraine sent extremely lovely drones to target the flag as a symbolic gesture or if Russia set off some fireworks on their own flag to manipulate their population into thinking they are under attack and to try and generate a patriotic response like the Dollar Tree equivalent of the world trade center attacks where they didn't want to use actual missiles or actually destroy anything.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Willo567 posted:

when was the first

He rattled on about muh nooks when the Engels airbase got paid a visit. Nothing happened then either.

Pennsylvanian
May 23, 2010

Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky Independent Presidential Regiment
Western Liberal Democracy or Death!
You'd also have to believe that Ukraine thought they could assassinate Putin by blowing up a little bomb like 50ft above the dome of Putin's house.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Rectal Death Adept posted:

My take is they refuse to admit they've lost yet again and are doubling down for the 5th time so they do actually need another draft as some leaks have reported. The first one wasn't exactly cheered by the populace as a heroic endeavor and they had to force people into it. A second draft would be much worse.

So operating on the terms where you must continue the war when most of your army has died then you must do a second, bigger, more ugly draft. This draft would be different than the first as everyone realizes the first draft failed and those people mostly died. They also have less people to draft after throwing the infirm and elderly at the trenches already so this draft will cut deeper. It would be received worse as they will have to force more people at gunpoint to go die like the original conscripts.

In stupid strategic terms they also probably are going to try to do a bigger draft because they obviously think the problem is lack of foot soldiers. The more people they have to force at gunpoint to their deaths the worse it looks domestically and internationally.

I'm not saying that kremlin attack is fake but it honestly looks like a WWE pyrotechnic explosion like Kane came out of the kremlin and raised his hands while the flag symbolically poofed up in smoke in a fireball. It looks extremely lovely so it's down to if you think Ukraine sent extremely lovely drones to target the flag as a symbolic gesture or if Russia set off some fireworks on their own flag to manipulate their population into thinking they are under attack and to try and generate a patriotic response like the Dollar Tree equivalent of the world trade center attacks where they didn't want to use actual missiles or actually destroy anything.

Terrorist Strelkov was begging just a couple weeks ago to anyone he could think of in power to beg, borrow, or steal 300,000 mobiks from anywhere possible to send into the occupied Ukrainian territories if Russia wanted any hope of holding on to what they had. Which certainly points to a critical manpower shortage just as Ukraine is getting ready to launch the counterattack.

Mr Teatime
Apr 7, 2009

It’s been said from reliable sources that the tiny Zelensky personally piloted the small manned aircraft into the Kremlin himself, supposedly only bailing out at the last second with his parachute made from a small handkerchief. My infallible sources tell me he is currently at large in the Moscow countryside.

Commodore_64
Feb 16, 2011

love thy likpa




Tai posted:

Russians shelling their own city after it voted massively in favour of joining in russia in a totaly legit vote with independant oversight.

I hate to be that guy but could you NMS that stuff? I've seen enough corpses and mangled bodies for a while.

Edit- Thanks friend. Twitter bait n' switched on the collage.

Commodore_64 fucked around with this message at 18:09 on May 3, 2023

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HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
Be nice to Willo, it can't be easy to have your balls be under nuclear crosshairs.

The funny thing about this drone attack on the Kremlin is that no matter whether it was a Russian false flag or a legitimate Ukrainian harassment strike, or even a local anti-war partisan, no possible interpretation makes Russia look good or sympathetic. Personally I like the theory that Ukraine conducted the attack to basically troll Putin in front of the world. A drone attack on the central government building of the Russian Federation and all they do is blow up the flag on top of the building is hilarious because of the implications therein that they could have done much more and instead chose to just humiliate Putin on a grand and very public scale.

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