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exmarx posted:some of the coverage says whaitiri intends to sit with tpm until the election, but under the waka jumping leg her seat becomes vacant by her resigning from labour. did she not realise that was the case??? lol it looks like the answer is "yes" https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131930730/defecting-labour-mp-meka-whaitiri-may-have-just-ousted-herself-from-parliament quote:But given how Whaitiri has resigned from the party, it’s possible the law means her electorate seat has automatically been vacated – an issue Te Pāti Māori president John Tamihere has suggested is being worked through with Parliament’s Speaker, Adrian Rurawhe.
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wait surely she was aware of this right, her govt passed that legislation and then actively refused to repeal itEl Pollo Blanco posted:Her jumping p much guarantees TPM as the deciding party based on polling then? Looking increasingly likely that Winnie will be back, so we'll get a National/ACT/NZF govt.
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bike tory posted:Looking increasingly likely that Winnie will be back, so we'll get a National/ACT/NZF govt. I'm a bit puzzled that the media aren't covering that real possibility in light of the past few polls. I mean the less coverage he gets the better in my mind but still.
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May 3, 2023 04:10
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i imagine she'd only be concerned about waka jumping if she thought labour had an alternative candidate that would outperform her in that electorate.
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May 3, 2023 04:33
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Confusedslight posted:I'm a bit puzzled that the media aren't covering that real possibility in light of the past few polls. I mean the less coverage he gets the better in my mind but still. The media HATE Peters, he is also savvy enough to manipulate the narrative if they give him a chance. I imagine he would leverage the first serious story about his comeback. I view National having to go into a coalition government with him as a conciliation prize, his condition would probably be that Seymour gets nothing.
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There is too much animosity on both sides for a Nat/NZF coalition to work. It hasn't happened since the 90s and any such govt would be on suicide watch from day one.
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exmachina posted:There is too much animosity on both sides for a Nat/NZF coalition to work. It hasn't happened since the 90s and any such govt would be on suicide watch from day one. As I said, consolation prize.
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exmarx posted:i doubt seymour and winston could work together I'm not saying it'd be a functional government but Winston can and will "work" with anyone, he cares way more about the baubles of power than his grumpy old man schtick or his dislike of sniveling neoliberal
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bike tory posted:wait surely she was aware of this right, her govt passed that legislation and then actively refused to repeal it gently caress
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May 3, 2023 07:43
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It's going to be a long 5 months.
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Actually the worst case scenario is for Winnie to cark it early in the term leaving whatever bootscrapings he brings with him access to the levers of power.
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i think seymour would be willing to sit on the crossbenches if the alternative option was a coalition with nzf
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exmarx posted:i think seymour would be willing to sit on the crossbenches if the alternative option was a coalition with nzf you're high on the hopium sir
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Personally I hope David Seymour gets called back to his home planet before the election
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/489210/speaker-rules-meka-whaitiri-not-affected-by-waka-jumping-law Are communications to/from the speaker of the house subject to OIA? Or can they be rejected under parliamentary privilege?
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Project M.A.M.I.L. posted:Personally I hope David Seymour gets called back to his home planet before the election Does Rimmer, as a computer-generated hologram of a dead person, even have a home planet?
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bike tory posted:https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/489210/speaker-rules-meka-whaitiri-not-affected-by-waka-jumping-law I don't think they are, parliamentary service.
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bike tory posted:https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/489210/speaker-rules-meka-whaitiri-not-affected-by-waka-jumping-law is parliament part of the executive
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Parliamentary Service and Office of the Clerk aren't subject to the OIA, I don't think the Speaker's Office is either.
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lmao so the Waka jumping legislation can be defeated simply by not explicitly notifying the speaker you have joined another party, and simply saying you withdraw your proxy vote from your current party and want to sit with the other party. Amazing bit of legislation, just stunning stuff.
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May 3, 2023 11:11
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the party can trigger it if they want to (which labour doesn't). i don't even get why the self-jump provisions exist, an mp could just resign from parliament.
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She very dimly sent an email to the speaker outlining what she was doing (which should trigger the waka jump) and now they're all having to pretend that the speaker didn't see it and she withdrew it and blah blah blah technically an email is not a letter. It's very dumb. Source me, direct from people who work in the Parliamentary service who are all finding it highly amusing. Saros fucked around with this message at 13:10 on May 3, 2023 |
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quote:Labour deputy leader Kelvin Davis has brushed off the shock departure of Meka Whaitiri, calling it "small-fry" in comparison to losing Jacinda Ardern. Labour caucus seething
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Strong corncob energy
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Is it like, commonly known around chch who those sick-gently caress serial rapists that have name suppression are?
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Not afaik. Haven't heard anyone talking about it. Maybe in certain circles?
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Good friend's car got stolen yesterday to use in a ram raid. Pro-tip: don't buy an Aqua that has a key instead of a fob.
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random question, is there any authority I can complain to about my neighbour's mosquito breeding program? He's got a bunch of old cars and containers full of water sitting all over his property. I don't give a poo poo about that, but the plague of little biting shits is getting out of hand. I've asked if I can come over and deal to them but the old boomer won't let me on his property and claims they're coming from ponds about 1km away. I'd sneak over and do it but he doesn't work, just sits inside. They're the little stripey fucks that will happily bite through clothes and I hate them so much
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carrionman posted:random question, is there any authority I can complain to about my neighbour's mosquito breeding program? He's got a bunch of old cars and containers full of water sitting all over his property. I don't give a poo poo about that, but the plague of little biting shits is getting out of hand. I've asked if I can come over and deal to them but the old boomer won't let me on his property and claims they're coming from ponds about 1km away. I'd sneak over and do it but he doesn't work, just sits inside. Sounds like a council issue, if it isn't then they can probably tell you who to contact.
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Green MP Elizabeth Kerekere resigns from partyquote:Kerekere has notified the Green Party Caucus of her intention to sit as an independent MP until the General Election, when she will retire, Shaw and Davidson said in a statement tonight.
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While Kerekere and the Greens at least tried to do the right thing by voting for repeal after they capitulated to Winston by passing it in the first place, the continued belief of MPs and parties that obeying the waka-jumping law is optional if you all just don't feel like it really sticks in my craw. At the very least be honest and scrap the provisions where MPs automatically kick themselves out and admit it was all about party whips being able to cow their MPs into submission, not the pretense of maintaining 'proportionality'.
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the provision is intended to be triggered only if the ex-party wants it to be 55CNotice from parliamentary leader of political party A written notice under section 55A(3)(b) must— (a) be signed by the parliamentary leader of the political party for which the member of Parliament who is the subject of the notice was elected; and (b) be addressed to the Speaker; and (c) be accompanied by a statement that complies with section 55D.
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exmarx posted:the provision is intended to be triggered only if the ex-party wants it to be Yeah, I'm talking about the self-exclusion ones, which are clearly intended to apply in a situation where someone has effectively resigned from a party, has told the speaker their former party can't cast their vote, has caused parliamentary question allocations to their former party be recalculated, etc. 55B A written notice [by the MP in question] under section 55A(3)(a) must— (a)be signed by the member of Parliament by whom it is given; and (b)be addressed to the Speaker; and (c)notify the Speaker that the member of Parliament— (i)has resigned from the parliamentary membership of the political party for which the member of Parliament was elected; or (ii)wishes to be recognised for parliamentary purposes as either an independent member of Parliament or a member of another political party. Both Whaitiri and Kereker clearly wish to be recognised for parliamentary purposes as part of TPM or independent (and have/will inform the speaker as much), but it feels we're just ignoring that by agreement.
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exmarx posted:i agree the speaker's interpretation of the whaitiri situation seems weird as hell given her public comments, and it's hard to see why an mp would ever use the self-exit provision when they could just... resign as an mp Commentators suggest she will win the seat, polling suggests that Labour would need TPM in coalition and currently her vote isn't needed. Also I suspect that they are going to be slammed for failing Maori so going after her is just shedding more votes.
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labour's reasons for not triggering s 55C have nothing to do with whether the speaker is correctly interpreting s 55B
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exmarx posted:labour's reasons for not triggering s 55C have nothing to do with whether the speaker is correctly interpreting s 55B Sorry, I thought your comment about why she was still around was in reference to 55C because you quoted it earlier.
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