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Weembles
Apr 19, 2004

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

And this is a good thing. It isn't going to lower prices by increasing housing units on the market though, since the housing market has been disconnected from supply and demand for a long time.

And this is why we'll never get cheaper homes.

The end game here is everyone paying 105% of their net income on rent every month and we're going to get there sooner than we think.

If I have no choice about paying 105% of my income in rent, I'd rather do so within walking distance of a supermarket and a bus stop. I just don't see the value in making everything as bad as possible to spite some people who won't even feel it.

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Greg12
Apr 22, 2020

genericnick posted:

Look, we're going to solve the parking problem by having the cars just circle the block until they'll need to pick you up. Problem solved.

No sarcasm, 2014 Planning magazine was full of articles about how great this will be for our cities and how we all have to start renovating our streets to make war for the robots.

The authors celebrated how robot-car-as-a-service would bring the end of car ownership AND street congestion. "We won't need parking lots! We won't even need street parking! We can widen every sidewalk!" "There won't be traffic jams because drive-alone-own-car trips won't exist!" They never, ever asked what the cars would do when not occupied because it never occurred to them.

*Make room for the robots, lol

Greg12 has issued a correction as of 18:21 on May 4, 2023

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/kaleekreider/status/1654100471093641216?t=4LbOphxR9PeSINk74-yb0A&s=19

mystes
May 31, 2006

Greg12 posted:

The authors celebrated how robot-car-as-a-service would bring the end of car ownership AND street congestion. "We won't need parking lots! We won't even need street parking! We can widen every sidewalk!" "There won't be traffic jams because drive-alone-own-car trips won't exist!" They never, ever asked what the cars would do when not occupied because it never occurred to them.
I mean theoretically maybe self-driving cars could do that if the government assigned everyone staggered times to go to and leave work, times to go shopping, and places to work and live but if you think the government should be able to do that you can also just build apartment blocks and transit and then you don't need the self-driving cars

Certainly in the free market utopia that is the us self driving cars will not achieve any of those things and will in fact make all these problems worse rather than better

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Greg12 posted:

No sarcasm, 2014 Planning magazine was full of articles about how great this will be for our cities and how we all have to start renovating our streets to make war for the robots.

The authors celebrated how robot-car-as-a-service would bring the end of car ownership AND street congestion. "We won't need parking lots! We won't even need street parking! We can widen every sidewalk!" "There won't be traffic jams because drive-alone-own-car trips won't exist!" They never, ever asked what the cars would do when not occupied because it never occurred to them.

Wasn’t the solution to ‘where does the car go while I’m at work’ that you could put it to work patrolling the neighborhood for rideshare passengers and make some sweet cash on the side

I remember hearing that a few times at least, but never any response to “okay but what happens when an entire office park worth of cars are patrolling the same sleepy suburban commuter campus all day? Let’s not even think about a downtown area

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

BonHair posted:

I mean, at least the AI won't get drunk?

I would have said that it wouldn't get road rage or car brain, but that's probably optimistic.

Manual reversion mode for when you want to ram someone because they're taunting you from their car, or the other car has a woman in it.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
That is the thing, Portland went all in on 2000s-2010s new urbanism but it really didn’t make a difference because while some of the structure of the cityscape was revamped, there was no real attempt to actually make it for people who worked in it. Obviously, the pandemic was a fluke, but there was clear dysfunction before it.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 18:30 on May 4, 2023

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

mystes posted:

I mean theoretically maybe self-driving cars could do that if the government assigned everyone staggered times to go to and leave work, times to go shopping, and places to work and live but if you think the government should be able to do that you can also just build apartment blocks and transit and then you don't need the self-driving cars

Certainly in the free market utopia that is the us self driving cars will not achieve any of those things and will in fact make all these problems worse rather than better

better yet you could have a bunch of cars in a series that go from one place to another and stop along the route. they would be on a set schedule and like you show up to one of several locations on along the road or "route" and wait a few minutes then hop in and go where you need to go.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
they should just take trains and glue a bunch of either monster truck tires and big exhaust pipes or a bunch of steampunk garbage to them and everyone would be happy

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:

quote:

Americans love a good road trip. There’s nothing better than packing up your stuff, turning up the music, and just — driving. For more than a century, summertime dreams have been fueled by the limitless possibilities of a full tank of gas.

That same “live free or die” mentality has also made the US, until recently, slower to adopt electric cars. The open road is freedom, and the need to frequently stop and charge an intrusion. Last year, plug-in vehicles made up less than 8% of new-car sales in the US — far behind Europe’s 32% EV adoption rate and China’s 30% uptake.

...

Many have been quick to wag their fingers at this quintessential American excess. The average US commute is 55 miles a day, the thinking goes, so why the need for so many more miles? But America’s EV exceptionalism reflects a more nuanced understanding of range limitations than consumers are typically given credit for.



"Easily" doing a lot of heavy lifting here and boy howdy "driving" as a factor on battery usage on a car, also note there is no similar chart for ICE vehicles

quote:

The environmental case for range
Another argument against big batteries is that they add to the significant environmental cost of EV manufacturing. Giant EVs like the 400-mile-range Chevy Silverado pickup coming later this year have roughly the same lifetime environmental footprint as a gasoline-powered Honda Civic, according to EV researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In other words: If everyone trades in their small internal combustion engines for giant EVs, we won’t be making much environmental progress.

But few consumers are trading in Civics for Silverados, or Volkswagen Jettas for Ford F-150 Lightnings. If America’s suburban cowboys can’t be convinced to give up their pickups, they might as well take the combustion engines out of them. Look across any Walmart parking lot in America and imagine if every giant SUV and truck were replaced with a fuel-efficient Toyota Corolla. That’s the scale of environmental achievement inherent to long-range EVs. And the environmental savings will only increase as batteries get more efficient and more of the grid runs on renewable energy sources.

Dr. Killjoy has issued a correction as of 18:34 on May 4, 2023

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


The rape of Bolivia to secure their lithium deposits will be a sort of environmental achievement, they're not wrong

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


spacemang_spliff posted:

better yet you could have a bunch of cars in a series that go from one place to another and stop along the route. they would be on a set schedule and like you show up to one of several locations on along the road or "route" and wait a few minutes then hop in and go where you need to go.

Yep


Seive brained poo poo. I finally stopped reading at the chart where they just pulled a bunch of numbers out of their rear end.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
https://komonews.com/news/local/dea...t-pierce-county

quote:

Woman killed, man injured after car crashes into Pierce County home


quote:

Officials at the scene told KOMO News the car rolled over and hit the home, causing damage to part of the home near the roof. The vehicle came to a stop in the front yard of the home after the crash.

Pierce County Sheriff’s Department spokesperson Sgt. Darren Moss told KOMO News it was apparent the vehicle was traveling at a high rate of speed at the time of the crash.

The 23-year-old woman driving the vehicle was pronounced dead at the scene. A man who was a passenger in the vehicle was taken to the hospital in critical condition. The man’s age is currently unknown. Deputies said no one inside the home was injured.

KOMO News spoke with a neighbor who tried to help the two people inside the vehicle after the rollover crash.

"The engine was pushed back into the compartment of the car where the people are,” said David King. “You had the engine literally right there. I could see it. It didn’t even look like a car in the inside.”

King said he felt speeding in the area has been a major issue that needs to be addressed.

“This road has on high speed on it every day. We have been complaining about this for six years,” explained King.

A tow truck was at the scene before 6 a.m. The vehicle was removed from the yard of the home by 7 a.m.



I wonder how much people would lose their poo poo if someone actually found a way to make speed limiters work per road the car is on and managed to fully implement it.

mystes
May 31, 2006

silicone thrills posted:

I wonder how much people would lose their poo poo if someone actually found a way to make speed limiters work per road the car is on and managed to fully implement it.
People will lose their poo poo if people even talk about trying to do it

It doesn't help that you would probably need to use gps or something and people would freak out about that even if it just used a database of road speeds and didn't actually upload your location or whatever

Of course it might be simpler to implement if you just limited all non-highway roads to 20mph or something but that wouldn't work based on us road design

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


mystes posted:

People will lose their poo poo if people even talk about trying to do it

It doesn't help that you would probably need to use gps or something and people would freak out about that even if it just used a database of road speeds and didn't actually upload your location or whatever

Of course it might be simpler to implement if you just limited all non-highway roads to 20mph or something but that wouldn't work based on us road design

Subaru lets you set speed alerts on their newer cars but won't let you actually limit them. If your kid goes out and does 100mph on the freeway you'll get a useless email

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Dr. Killjoy posted:



"Easily" doing a lot of heavy lifting here and boy howdy "driving" as a factor on battery usage on a car, also note there is no similar chart for ICE vehicles

the most popular SUV in the US last year, the RAV4: 28/35 mpg
a 2022 carolla: 32/41 mpg

so switching from an F150 to an EV F150 saves about 4 mpg

lol

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
What advantages does this electric motor car have over say a train...which I can also afford

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

spacemang_spliff posted:

What advantages does this electric motor car have over say a train...which I can also afford

You (probably) won't have to sit next to a homeless person in an electric car.

This is not an endorsement by the way. Just an explanation of the thinking involved.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

mystes posted:

People will lose their poo poo if people even talk about trying to do it

It doesn't help that you would probably need to use gps or something and people would freak out about that even if it just used a database of road speeds and didn't actually upload your location or whatever

Of course it might be simpler to implement if you just limited all non-highway roads to 20mph or something but that wouldn't work based on us road design

People are fine with their Taco Bell app tracking their location to send them coupons for $0.10 off a taco but goddamn the freakout if they put that in a car. Yeah no way anyone’s going for that, you even lose a lot of otherwise sympathetic people

The uproar over contact tracing would look like a politely worded letter

mystes
May 31, 2006

Dr. Killjoy posted:

"Easily" doing a lot of heavy lifting here and boy howdy "driving" as a factor on battery usage on a car, also note there is no similar chart for ICE vehicles
There's no similar chart for ICE vehicles because it's about "range" rather than cost per mile and range isn't an issue with ICE vehicles because you can refill them instantly everywhere.

I wouldn't entirely dismiss this article because if EVs are really supposed to be the solution, unless superchargers or battery swapping stations or something become as widespread as gas stations are now, the fact that lots of americans want to be able to sometimes drive longer distances is going to be a problem, and I suspect that EVs are going to remain mostly limited to one car in households that have multiple cars for the near future.

Of course, if EVs only replace shorter trips where people shouldn't be using cars in the first place, that isn't really ideal either.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

McCracAttack posted:

You (probably) won't have to sit next to a homeless person in an electric car.

This is not an endorsement by the way. Just an explanation of the thinking involved.

This is why you have first class seating in trains, the exact same great experience, only more expensive so you don't have to deal with people who care about money.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

emptyquote my posts or die

all cars should instantly explode if you drive more than 60 miles in a day

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

AnimeIsTrash posted:

why would you imply that we’re all nazis lmfao

we are all nazis here on cspam, and we support the national socialist germn workers party and its leader adolf hitler

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

Weka posted:

What do you fellows think about these new driverless taxis roaming the streets?

https://ktla.com/morning-news/waymo-self-driving-car-ride-demo-san-francisco/

Personally I support the butlerian jihad but for unrelated reasons.

there was an article a week or so ago saying that there have been over 12 incidents where these things have interrupted fire trucks or emergency services in SF this past year, most recently there was a report of one that mistook a fire hose for a speed bump and tried to run it over, which could have potentially caused the fire hose to rupture while firefighters were actively fighting a fire.

the cops have resorted to just breaking their windows whenever these things try to do something odd because the only official way to stop them is to call the dispatcher with the license plate number and then the dispatcher can call waymo, who can have a remote driver take over.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Wasn’t the solution to ‘where does the car go while I’m at work’ that you could put it to work patrolling the neighborhood for rideshare passengers and make some sweet cash on the side

I remember hearing that a few times at least, but never any response to “okay but what happens when an entire office park worth of cars are patrolling the same sleepy suburban commuter campus all day? Let’s not even think about a downtown area

Oops all rush hour!

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


lol I forgot about the warped "my car acts as a robot taxi while I'm at work" poo poo

Everything must be monetized at all times.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Dr. Killjoy posted:



"Easily" doing a lot of heavy lifting here and boy howdy "driving" as a factor on battery usage on a car, also note there is no similar chart for ICE vehicles

55 miles a day lol. On commute alone. God drat. That's an average too so you're gonna have some outliers driving 50+ a mile one way

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Milo and POTUS posted:

55 miles a day lol. On commute alone. God drat. That's an average too so you're gonna have some outliers driving 50+ a mile one way

The average American drives 40 miles a day iirc

people are unable to wrap their minds around not driving that much so even in places where people are in favor of getting rid of cars they still assume that they're gonna live off a six lane stroad and everyone just has a horse in the garage instead

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
All NIMBYs, alongside cars, must be destroyed.

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

nimbeez nuts

Gabagool
Jul 20, 2020

i love walking during rush hour and i can beat all the stupid cars on foot

BeeSeeBee
Oct 25, 2007

Shoot at a car, killing someone: Gun enhancements added to your charge
https://www.alcoda.org/alameda-county-district-attorney-announces-murder-charges-after-man-fires-assault-rifle-into-street/
"The defendant, Bernard Tracy Jimmerson, an Oakland resident and the father of two young children, told police he was frustrated by the noise of cars racing up and down his street in the middle of the night."

Shoot from a car, killing someone: No gun enhancements
https://www.ktvu.com/news/3-alleged-gang-members-charged-with-murder-in-girls-freeway-shooting-death
"Anaya and Ayala Valderrama had already been charged by Alameda County prosecutors with assault with a firearm and gun violations in a separate shooting on Fremont city streets in which no one was hurt, records show."
"Although all three men were charged with murder, District Attorney Pamela Price's office did not charge them with any special circumstances or gang or gun sentencing enhancements."

Ferdinand Bardamu
Apr 30, 2013
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173397537/bride-killed-groom-injured-dui-drunk-driver-golf-cart-folly-beach

quote:

Bride killed and groom injured when driver slams into golf cart after wedding

A newlywed bride is dead and a groom is in serious condition after a woman who is accused of driving under the influence and more than double the speed limit slammed into the back of a golf cart on a South Carolina beach road, authorities said.

Samantha Miller, 34, of Charlotte, N.C., was riding in a golf cart-style vehicle back to her rental house with her husband just hours after their wedding Friday evening when she was struck and killed, said Andrew Gilreath, director of public safety for the City of Folly Beach, S.C., in a news release.

Three additional passengers traveling in the golf cart, including the groom, were taken to a local hospital for treatment of their injuries. The groom, Aric Hutchinson, remains in a local hospital in critical condition.

His mother, Annette Hutchinson, said in a GoFundMe page set up to raise money to help cover medical and funeral expenses that her son has had one of two reconstruction surgeries, numerous broken bones and a brain injury. She said Aric will have a "long recovery."

"I was handed Aric's wedding ring in a plastic bag at the hospital, five hours after Sam placed it on his finger and they read each other their vows. Aric has lost the love of his life," Annette wrote on a fundraising page.

The golf cart, which had proper lights, was in legal condition to drive at night, The Associated Press reported.

The driver of the striking vehicle, 25-year-old Jamie Komoroski, only briefly hit the brakes in the vehicle before crashing into the golf cart, police said.

Authorities said an investigation into the crash later revealed Komoroski had been driving at 65 mph in a 25 mph zone at the time she struck the four passengers. Komoroski was arrested and charged with one count of reckless homicide and three counts of felony DUI resulting in great bodily harm, police said.

BeeSeeBee
Oct 25, 2007

And of course she had a history of speeding and reckless driving.

Electro-Boogie Jack
Nov 22, 2006
bagger mcguirk sent me.

BeeSeeBee posted:

And of course she had a history of speeding and reckless driving.

essentially a series of missed opportunities to take the keys out of her hands and save some lives, but the state doesn't even see this as an option. her right to keep endangering others is more fundamental than their right to life.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Greg12 posted:

No sarcasm, 2014 Planning magazine was full of articles about how great this will be for our cities and how we all have to start renovating our streets to make war for the robots.

The authors celebrated how robot-car-as-a-service would bring the end of car ownership AND street congestion. "We won't need parking lots! We won't even need street parking! We can widen every sidewalk!" "There won't be traffic jams because drive-alone-own-car trips won't exist!" They never, ever asked what the cars would do when not occupied because it never occurred to them.

*Make room for the robots, lol

It's me, the Napoleon of the Butlerian Jihad, widening the streets so I can more easily blast the robocars with canon fire.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

lock her the gently caress up

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Milo and POTUS posted:

55 miles a day lol. On commute alone. God drat. That's an average too so you're gonna have some outliers driving 50+ a mile one way

No wonder half the thread has been driven insane about cars.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Weka posted:

No wonder half the thread has been driven insane about cars.

Oh yeah, I live in LA. The carhate is personal, it's so loving personal you can't even imagine.

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Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
hmmm... is this the new coolzone thread by any chance...? https://www.ktvu.com/news/da-charges-oakland-man-with-murder-after-firing-assault-rifle-at-drivers-killing-21-year-old-woman.amp

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