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Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Orange Devil posted:

Chinese people protest a hell of a lot more than people in the US and most (all? maybe France is the exception) capitalist countries and they also have the expectation that their protest will have effect and lead to change. Simultaneously they know there are some things, like say CPC rule, that you don’t protest against for fear of having your life ruined.

That’s been my experience talking with Chinese people studying here anyway. Whenever they learn about some of the seedy underside the Dutch economy runs on (such as massive exploitation of Eastern European migrant workers) they are baffled and ask why they don’t just protest and change it.

what do you tell them

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BEAR GRYLLZ
Jul 30, 2006

I have strong erections for Israel.
Strong, pathetic erections.

crepeface posted:

speaking of freedom of protest just lmao @ the UK coronation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbDAcV_pEt8

this is different, the UK is a democracy and these people are criminals

have you not seen the recently released global press freedom index? please read the OP

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004

Our posts

Zodium posted:

what do you tell them

I'd be their Spooky scrooge racist Christmas ghost, showing them their future if they don't change their capitalist ways.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Zodium posted:

what do you tell them

Well about the migrant labour I try to explain that those people are in a massively precarious position where they can be effectively fired at will, and since they are employed through temp agencies which also provide their housing being fired also means immediate homelessness and often also immediate cessation of their health insurance. Combine that with language barriers (both between any Dutch colleagues but also among themselves, as there are usually Polish, Romanian and Bulgarian people working side by side) and the economic situation being such that even with this exploitation they still make more money than they could back at home and thus they are to an extent "voluntarily" (as much as anything for the proletariat is voluntary in capitalism) accepting this situation, doing a small scale protest is economic suicide, and good luck organizing a large scale protest.

I don't know if it's the specific Chinese people I've talked to or if it's a cultural thing, but I have found that, for lack of a better way to describe it, they are often quite judgemental still even with the explanation. As in, quick to still blame the workers for their own lot ("if it's really so bad they should just protest anyways, and if they don't it's their own fault"). At times combined with at the same time saying people here don't have so much to complain about because poor workers in China still have it worse.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
They sound like libs tbh.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Why don't people protest?

It's because they're actually completely fine with whatever terrible thing is going on so long as it doesn't bother them personally.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Throatwarbler posted:

Yes, the movie about test pilots testing experimental aircraft that contains nothing whatsoever about any potential adversary is "China's Top Gun".

I mean I don't actually read any of it so who knows but I think all "news" in the western media is just AI generated word salad already.

It's funny that the thing that is objectionable is China making a movie that is like a movie already made twice (and 100 times over in other franchises) in the United States. Somehow, very apropos.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Tankbuster posted:

Fate: Stay/Night

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Tankbuster posted:

yeah, if only fromsoftware had made it. Then the entire game wouldn't run on PC and we would get political treatises on it.

"I wish ZA/UM made Fallout"

Monkey's Paw: It's developed after the original founders have left the company

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Somebody has already said it, but a gung-ho war story without nationalism, is basically anime. 95% of the anime take place in fantasy, or based on actual nations and history but have the names filed off, sometimes do a very sloppy job of filing out the labels.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
OK you've convinced me, I prefer it with nationalism.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

PhilippAchtel posted:

"I wish ZA/UM made Fallout"

Monkey's Paw: It's developed after the original founders have left the company

And released post a Microsoft aquisition, the true stamp of enduring quality.

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005

stephenthinkpad posted:

Somebody has already said it, but a gung-ho war story without nationalism, is basically anime. 95% of the anime take place in fantasy, or based on actual nations and history but have the names filed off, sometimes do a very sloppy job of filing out the labels.

britannica

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
ben norton did a interview with an australian (!!!) who wrote "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners". a bunch of interesting stuff in there about deng and whole process people's democracy in a fairly academic marxist context

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgcyqkEOhQc

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
Looking at Ben Norton my first question is, "Does this dude eat any meat?" and the answer is nope, vegan. More beans, maybe?

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

crepeface posted:

ben norton did a interview with an australian (!!!) who wrote "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners". a bunch of interesting stuff in there about deng and whole process people's democracy in a fairly academic marxist context

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgcyqkEOhQc

i read part of the book last year, it seemed decent and i want to pick it back up again later

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

Looking at Ben Norton my first question is, "Does this dude eat any meat?" and the answer is nope, vegan. More beans, maybe?

he looks like he has a liver disease

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

stephenthinkpad posted:

Somebody has already said it, but a gung-ho war story without nationalism, is basically anime. 95% of the anime take place in fantasy, or based on actual nations and history but have the names filed off, sometimes do a very sloppy job of filing out the labels.

and then there was that JSDF fantasy anime that got a lot of people mad.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Orange Devil posted:

Chinese people protest a hell of a lot more than people in the US and most (all? maybe France is the exception) capitalist countries and they also have the expectation that their protest will have effect and lead to change. Simultaneously they know there are some things, like say CPC rule, that you don’t protest against for fear of having your life ruined.

That’s been my experience talking with Chinese people studying here anyway. Whenever they learn about some of the seedy underside the Dutch economy runs on (such as massive exploitation of Eastern European migrant workers) they are baffled and ask why they don’t just protest and change it.

the mythical oriental protestor

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
everyone knows people from the orient cannot protest.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

Looking at Ben Norton my first question is, "Does this dude eat any meat?" and the answer is nope, vegan. More beans, maybe?

?

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

fart simpson posted:

he looks like he has a liver disease

lol

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

fart simpson posted:

i read part of the book last year, it seemed decent and i want to pick it back up again later

I keep looking for an epub of this but all I can find are pdfs

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005

Centrist Committee posted:

I keep looking for an epub of this but all I can find are pdfs

i wanna buy the hardcover but its so expensive lol

currently reading Legacy of Ashes

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
^ yeah I saw the print version was like $100 lol

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Centrist Committee posted:

I keep looking for an epub of this but all I can find are pdfs
Hmmm, i would just pm ya but i dont have pms. I dunno if it's kosher for me to just upload my mobi copy and link it....

If you're outside of the USA and can access it (or can just use something like Tor), libgen and zlib both have mobi copies (which you can use calibre or something to convert to epub if you really need epub)

Orbis Tertius
Feb 13, 2007

crepeface posted:

ben norton did a interview with an australian (!!!) who wrote "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners". a bunch of interesting stuff in there about deng and whole process people's democracy in a fairly academic marxist context

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgcyqkEOhQc

quote:

life expectancy in China in 1949 was about 34, it’s now higher than the United States

I did not know that particular stat (how low it was in the 40s). goddamn that owns.

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

crepeface posted:

ben norton did a interview with an australian (!!!) who wrote "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners". a bunch of interesting stuff in there about deng and whole process people's democracy in a fairly academic marxist context

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgcyqkEOhQc

an australian with the last name boer

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

https://twitter.com/thinking_panda/status/1655032358909927426

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
they put a god dang gay pagoda in nanchang

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

stephenthinkpad posted:

Somebody has already said it, but a gung-ho war story without nationalism, is basically anime. 95% of the anime take place in fantasy, or based on actual nations and history but have the names filed off, sometimes do a very sloppy job of filing out the labels.

My god could you imagine an Hollywood version of Girls und Panzer

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Anime is garbage

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
there's gonna be a live action version of one piece

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

Slavvy posted:

Anime is garbage

Dragon Ball was pretty cool. When I was a kid, I'd get up super early in the morning to watch episodes of it (I don't know how much exactly the stuff shown here was lagging behind what was being produced at the time, but it was quite a bit).

However, it was competing for slots with the late night broadcasts of Vojislav Šešelj's trial, and if a trial segment went on for too long, I'd end up having to watch a bunch of legal proceedings before getting to see Goku explode things. And sometimes they'd skip Dragon Ball to fit in more Šešelj.

God, that was a lot Šešelj.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

my dad posted:

Dragon Ball was pretty cool. When I was a kid, I'd get up super early in the morning to watch episodes of it (I don't know how much exactly the stuff shown here was lagging behind what was being produced at the time, but it was quite a bit).

I did this too! Kids are stupid and I was no exception. And hell, nothing's changed

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
you just got jaded like everybody else

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
I also grew up watching Digimon, too. We had a pretty good dub.

Much, much, much, much later I watched Fullmetal Alchemist, it was pretty neat, too.

Legend of the Galactic Heroes is pretty cool too.


My sister watched Bleach a lot. Like, a lot. Like, holy poo poo a lot. I never watched a single episode.

e: I like to pretend I have never watched Gun X Sword. Man, that was a trippy show. Someone had the rips of most episodes on a DVD. Notably not including that one super sketchy episode.

e2: Also, thanks to "cartoons are for kids, right?" I got to watch Princess Monokoke and Vandread at a very young age. That, uh, probably wasn't the best idea.

my dad has issued a correction as of 21:53 on May 7, 2023

BennyProfane
Apr 19, 2023

by vyelkin
Legend of galactic heroes is great, it's a materialist anime about the dumbest liberal democrats to ever exist fighting the smartest Imperial rulers to ever exist and the moral is that both systems are terribly stupid and doomed from the get go.

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Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

BennyProfane posted:

Legend of galactic heroes is great, it's a materialist anime about the dumbest liberal democrats to ever exist fighting the smartest Imperial rulers to ever exist and the moral is that both systems are terribly stupid and doomed from the get go.

Don't forget the evangelical theocrats trying to push the buttons from behind too for Earth cult supremacy.

Great show.

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Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

my dad posted:

e2: Also, thanks to "cartoons are for kids, right?" I got to watch Princess Monokoke and Vandread at a very young age. That, uh, probably wasn't the best idea.

ehhh, mononoke is slightly spicier disney

vandred, however... :v:

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