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Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007


HonorableTB posted:

this is how you get flesh eating blyateria

Nah swamps like that are where you get brain eating amoebas, which are OP since there is no working counterplay. Flesh eating bacteria you need open wounds and a depressed immune system, which is pretty easy to avoid as long as you only go in with full HP and no current status effects.

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HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Drone_Fragger posted:

Nah swamps like that are where you get brain eating amoebas, which are OP since there is no working counterplay. Flesh eating bacteria you need open wounds and a depressed immune system, which is pretty easy to avoid as long as you only go in with full HP and no current status effects.

ukronazis are hosed, mobiks have no brains for the amoebas to eat

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


HonorableTB posted:

this is how you get flesh eating blyateria

just say no to krokodil and you'll be ok

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011


Absolutely terrifying. How can we ever hope to compete with a society that is so strong willed and disciplined? Oh yeah, right ... I forgot. We can just wait for the fascist poo poo pile to collapse like every other fascist poo poo pile before it with nothing left behind but rubble and tears

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1655272440996458496

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat
Beau of the Fifth Column talks about assessments that Ukraine may not have the muscle to shove Russia out, at least not during this year. Him and I hope those assessments are wrong. Arm Ukraine for a quicker end to war. Russian death state go gently caress yourself.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Karate Bastard posted:

Beau of the Fifth Column talks about assessments that Ukraine may not have the muscle to shove Russia out, at least not during this year. Him and I hope those assessments are wrong. Arm Ukraine for a quicker end to war. Russian death state go gently caress yourself.

They won’t push them out of the Donbas and Crimea, but it’s enough if they push south to Melitopol or south from Kherson. Anything that cuts the supply line and moves artillery closer to Kerch.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

It's probably not too different from destroying ISIS in northern and western Iraq. It's not some 2 week operation or something and there's still probably a long ways to go to shove out the invaders because that's just how the logistics of war are.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1655311365567922183
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1655310464425816069
Here we go again.....

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Mokotow posted:

They won’t push them out of the Donbas and Crimea, but it’s enough if they push south to Melitopol or south from Kherson. Anything that cuts the supply line and moves artillery closer to Kerch.

This. The liberation of Donbass is for when Ukraine gains fighter jets and air superiority, as well as further aid to bulk out their army more after a successful counteroffensive.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

mobby_6kl posted:



The book is "Standards for NATO wannabees"
Wait, it's HATO in Cyrillic?? This has all been one big misunderstanding!!

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

Slugworth posted:

Wait, it's HATO in Cyrillic?? This has all been one big misunderstanding!!

this casts HATOful Boyfriend in a completely new light

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat

Karate Bastard posted:

Beau of the Fifth Column talks about assessments that Ukraine may not have the muscle to shove Russia out, at least not during this year. Him and I hope those assessments are wrong. Arm Ukraine for a quicker end to war. Russian death state go gently caress yourself.

New Perun seems to agree, with more words.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Toxic Mental posted:

It's not some 2 week operation or something and there's still probably a long ways to go to shove out the invaders because that's just how the logistics of war are.

A very long way, likely more than another year. Hence the value of the Czech announcement to Ukraine, "As long as it takes, we're with you until they are all gone." And the majority of Western equipment given to Ukraine? Likely gone in a year, casualties needing to be replaced. A year hence and the Western political and financial fatigue of the war will need to be carefully managed.

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

zone posted:

This. The liberation of Donbass is for when Ukraine gains fighter jets and air superiority, as well as further aid to bulk out their army more after a successful counteroffensive.

I don't think Ukraine is ever going to have air superiority, no matter how many fighter jets they are given. Look how poorly Russia's overwhelming number of fighters has translated to air superiority so far.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

the popes toes posted:

A very long way, likely more than another year. Hence the value of the Czech announcement to Ukraine, "As long as it takes, we're with you until they are all gone." And the majority of Western equipment given to Ukraine? Likely gone in a year, casualties needing to be replaced. A year hence and the Western political and financial fatigue of the war will need to be carefully managed.

I wouldn't say all of it would be gone. Remember how well Ukraine preserved even its own soviet era kit. Worst case scenario would be 1/4 - 1/3 lost, most likely still less, probably on the order of 1/5th, by the second anniversary of the war, IMO

e: Solovyov screaming about muh nooks again. Evidently he needs to go sober up.
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1655307058407788545

zone fucked around with this message at 00:15 on May 8, 2023

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

zone posted:

I wouldn't say all of it would be gone. Remember how well Ukraine preserved even its own soviet era kit. Worst case scenario would be 1/4 - 1/3 lost, most likely still less, probably on the order of 1/5th, by the second anniversary of the war, IMO

The other side of that is what Russia's equipment situation will be like in another year; it's not like they can replace all the semi-modern hardware they are losing.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Computer viking posted:

The other side of that is what Russia's equipment situation will be like in another year; it's not like they can replace all the semi-modern hardware they are losing.

Well I mean, Terrorist Strelkov basically said that without China's or anyone else's help, equipment wise they'd be boned by the second anniversary of the war and helpless to do anything against Ukraine by then.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
There's a new video of a Lancet taking out a Stormer HMV. There's been a couple before but there's they've had the suspicious cut-away at impact, but this one definitely shows a catastrophic exposition. Drones/loitering munitions are definitely changing the game when an anti-aircraft platform can't defend itself 24/7.

Victis
Mar 26, 2008

Pablo Bluth posted:

There's a new video of a Lancet taking out a Stormer HMV. There's been a couple before but there's they've had the suspicious cut-away at impact, but this one definitely shows a catastrophic exposition. Drones/loitering munitions are definitely changing the game when an anti-aircraft platform can't defend itself 24/7.

They dumped a bunch at once, of hitting an Avenger, a Stormer and an M109

Lancets definitely seem like one of the most effective Russian weapons, certainly cost-effective. From what I understand the American Switchblades are overcomplicated and underpowered (the 300s) in comparison

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

Victis posted:

They dumped a bunch at once, of hitting an Avenger, a Stormer and an M109

Lancets definitely seem like one of the most effective Russian weapons, certainly cost-effective. From what I understand the American Switchblades are overcomplicated and underpowered (the 300s) in comparison

underpowered I guess sure, but the real point of comparison to a Lancet would be the Switchblade 600. the munition part of the 300 system (like, motor, wings and all, not counting launch tube) weighs 4 lbs all told and isn't intended to take out IFVs and up.

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:

Reason would have me believe it's because he's used to seeing his shithouse rat rape-brigade win battles against poorly-trained/untrained militia groups, and the meat grinder that is Bakhmut has opened his eyes to just how poo poo his "anyone & everyone" goblin horde actually is when it's forced to fight against a determined, legitimate military opponent which has received modern training and is armed with modern weapons gifted from the single most powerful military alliance on the planet.

But then maybe I'm just some globohomo Ukronazi propagandist.

:ssh:

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Victis
Mar 26, 2008

tiaz posted:

underpowered I guess sure, but the real point of comparison to a Lancet would be the Switchblade 600. the munition part of the 300 system (like, motor, wings and all, not counting launch tube) weighs 4 lbs all told and isn't intended to take out IFVs and up.

I don’t know of any evidence of one of those in use, the big ones. A year ago they were only prototypes, and they’ve got to be expensive as hell. The Ukrainian FPV drones with RPGs strapped to them fill a similar niche but require a very skilled pilot fairly close to the frontlines, and don’t have much of a loiter.

Like I think it’s okay to acknowledge one of the narrow areas where Russia has overmatch

edit: loving lmao, please don’t be mean to the mercenary PMC full of literal criminals and murderers owned by a monster. gently caress Wagner

Victis fucked around with this message at 01:56 on May 8, 2023

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

Victis posted:

I don’t know of any evidence of one of those in use, the big ones. A year ago they were only prototypes, and they’ve got to be expensive as hell. The Ukrainian FPV drones with RPGs strapped to them fill a similar niche but require a very skilled pilot fairly close to the frontlines, and don’t have much of a loiter.

Like I think it’s okay to acknowledge one of the narrow areas where Russia has overmatch

edit: loving lmao, please don’t be mean to the mercenary PMC full of literal criminals and murderers owned by a monster. gently caress Wagner

my bad, I read your tone wrong. I just wanted to make clear that Switchblade 300 and Lancet aren't intended to do quite the same thing, so it's not a surprise that there's an overmatch where they go head to head. I agree we should acknowledge where Russia has overmatch :)

Autisanal Cheese
Nov 29, 2010

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Don't start the "orc/goblin/dwarf/troll/imp/sprite/kelpie/pooka" nonsense again over a 6er, thanks

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

Toxic Mental posted:

Don't start the "orc/goblin/dwarf/troll/imp/sprite/kelpie/pooka" nonsense again over a 6er, thanks

Well, I've now learned what a pooka is, so this is already way more productive than any of the other times.

Tai
Mar 8, 2006

Toxic Mental posted:

Don't start the "orc/goblin/dwarf/troll/imp/sprite/kelpie/pooka" nonsense again over a 6er, thanks

Ents too

TEMPLE GRANDIN OS
Dec 10, 2003

...blyat
milves

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Wookies.

Xenocides
Jan 14, 2008

This world looks very scary....



Wookiees with Guns!

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH

Toxic Mental posted:

Don't start the "orc/goblin/dwarf/troll/imp/sprite/kelpie/pooka" nonsense again over a 6er, thanks

ok pookie

ili
Jul 26, 2003


Toxic Mental posted:

Don't start the "orc/goblin/dwarf/troll/imp/sprite/kelpie/pooka" nonsense again over a 6er, thanks

What's the problem with kelpies? They've got tons of energy and can get nippy if not well trained/socialised, but all in all they're good dogs.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

They're all good dogs, Bront.

Except Fenton. Fenton's a problem.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Some different news from this YouTuber, more of a logistics and planning video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDH2L1EOI2U

Cool Kids Club Soda
Aug 20, 2010
😎❄️🌃🥤🧋🍹👌💯

the popes toes posted:

They're all good dogs, Bront.

Except Fenton. Fenton's a problem.

Fenton'll kill ya

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Karate Bastard posted:

Beau of the Fifth Column talks about assessments that Ukraine may not have the muscle to shove Russia out, at least not during this year. Him and I hope those assessments are wrong. Arm Ukraine for a quicker end to war. Russian death state go gently caress yourself.

I think those assessments are wrong. For the amount of weaponry we've sent to Ukraine they've been relatively quiet for months now. Those leaks did say that Ukraine was having trouble in terms of strength but also that the US talked them out of striking at Russian territory directly. That means they have had that capability and we advised them on a different course of action which hasn't been revealed yet.

They have had people training on foreign weapon systems in weeks long programs while receiving billions in heavy equipment, supplies and ammunition from pretty much everyone directly to their capital by air and rail. Outside of Russia demanding to keep attacking Bakhmut causing a bloody defense there it's not like Ukraine has had huge visible losses or failed attempts at doing much of anything the past few months.

My guess would be the military advisors from the US are helping to coordinate something Russia can't cope with. Working on that leaked "lack of strength" during weeks of depot-by-depot HIMARs attacks where every day some kind of fuel or ammo infrastructure of Russia's is being destroyed remotely.

the popes toes posted:

A very long way, likely more than another year. Hence the value of the Czech announcement to Ukraine, "As long as it takes, we're with you until they are all gone." And the majority of Western equipment given to Ukraine? Likely gone in a year, casualties needing to be replaced. A year hence and the Western political and financial fatigue of the war will need to be carefully managed.

I'm not sure it will be that long if there is a real counteroffensive that's been building up for months. If Russia starts retreating it's not like they have elaborate reinforcements or supply lines of equipment. The stuff they are managing to stage is getting blown up constantly. I'd say the Russia lines are extremely thin and in the context of an organized/strong counter attack you'd see just as quick and massive losses as there were gains at the start as they flee to the nearest pile of bullets and people which might be 10-20km away.

Rectal Death Adept fucked around with this message at 04:05 on May 8, 2023

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




What we've heard is that Ukraine has 9 brigades organized along NATO lines. Some of them have NATO AFVs. Those are the core of the UAF's mobile reserve and are going to suffer terrible losses in an offensive, especially if they advance beyond the GBAD umbrella. Ukraine has a lot of Western equipment in the replenishment pipeline, so they can afford to take losses in an offensive.

Nine brigades. That's basically two corps or one army. In WW2 the same ground was fought over by army groups. Ukraine can smash the gently caress out of front-line positions with a maximal effort by PGMs and drone operators, but exploitation behind the lines is going to be costly even in the good scenarios. I think they can reach the Black Sea with an offensive in Zaporizhya, but it'll be costly and extend the lines they have to defend when it comes time to hold their gains.

They do have to do something to ensure support for a long war. Perun says it best, so ignore me and go watch his video from today.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

mllaneza posted:

What we've heard is that Ukraine has 9 brigades organized along NATO lines. Some of them have NATO AFVs. Those are the core of the UAF's mobile reserve and are going to suffer terrible losses in an offensive, especially if they advance beyond the GBAD umbrella. Ukraine has a lot of Western equipment in the replenishment pipeline, so they can afford to take losses in an offensive.

Nine brigades. That's basically two corps or one army. In WW2 the same ground was fought over by army groups. Ukraine can smash the gently caress out of front-line positions with a maximal effort by PGMs and drone operators, but exploitation behind the lines is going to be costly even in the good scenarios. I think they can reach the Black Sea with an offensive in Zaporizhya, but it'll be costly and extend the lines they have to defend when it comes time to hold their gains.

They do have to do something to ensure support for a long war. Perun says it best, so ignore me and go watch his video from today.

Ukraine is also on a deadline until when and if two-pump Trump gets reelected, or some other GOP ghoul, not only cuts off supplies but also actively starts aiding russia to own the libs.

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HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
putin is a big wet sniveling bitch

https://twitter.com/anno1540/status/1655140732603072512?s=20

Also, yall remember those protests in Turkey about the Quran burnings etc etc?

yeah its more russian active measures, biiiiig shock. not a bad move though to provoke the pissiest of pissbabies Erdogan who would be the most likely to deny additional NATO membership, maybe tied with Orban

https://twitter.com/kevinshakir/status/1655257088258441216?s=20

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