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The whole point is that the bad guys don't know about the planet's existence, much less how to get there. Dagan wanted the remaining Jedi to hide there and rebuild their numbers, leaving once they're strong enough to defeat the villains. His goal after being revived is the same, except his new army would be the Raiders rather than the Jedi and the new villain is the Empire.
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I'm sure that What is the DEAL with Tanalorr is a sequel hook too, along with Cal joining the Sad Dad club, and the darkside stuff.
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May 8, 2023 00:04
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They never really tied up how the Nihil found Tanalorr in the first place, so it's likely the next game opens with the Empire finding it the same way
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May 8, 2023 00:16
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SirSamVimes posted:It's really funny how when Merrin is first introduced, she's just a spooky angry witch without much personality to speak of, but the moment she starts talking to Cal instead of yelling at him, she displays that excellent dry humour. I think a big part of why it's great is that the VA delivery is flawless. Yeah, it's a shame Merrin comes to the party so late in the first game. We needed like at least a full planet with her chiming in and such, although it's fine if she bonds quickly. Her old company on Dathomir was not the best.
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May 8, 2023 00:18
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I guess I should spoiler this because it's talking about villains and the future: I kind of wish there was still an antagonist out there for Cal. it's fine that Vader keeps popping up, but he's not really Cal's enemy. The empire is fine as the main antagonist, but I kind of wish there was someone out there for Cal to have beef with. They're going to have to introduce new enemies in the next game, but maybe it would have been cool for Bode to stick around idk. I guess there just aren't many characters on the baddie team.
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May 8, 2023 00:22
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I mean, Bode was new this game and was really compelling. Dagan was kind of meh a s a villain. I felt he was more of just an enemy with no stakes. If anything I was hoping Rayvis would be recurring. I was way more invested in him than Dagan.
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May 8, 2023 00:33
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JBP posted:I guess I should spoiler this because it's talking about villains and the future: Yeah, it's kinda weird that they had an original, personal villain in the first one, but then abruptly killed her off to make Vader the final boss. Seems like a weird choice if there's at least some hope of getting to do a sequel.
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May 8, 2023 00:38
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Captain Hygiene posted:Yeah, it's kinda weird that they had an original, personal villain in the first one, but then abruptly killed her off to make Vader the final boss. Seems like a weird choice if there's at least some hope of getting to do a sequel. They probably couldn't gamble on a sequel. Remember thr first game was one EA was sure waa going to fail because it wasn't multiplayer
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May 8, 2023 00:39
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Captain Hygiene posted:Yeah, it's kinda weird that they had an original, personal villain in the first one, but then abruptly killed her off to make Vader the final boss. Seems like a weird choice if there's at least some hope of getting to do a sequel. It's kind of funny that Star Wars characters tend to have tit for tat ongoing battles with one another for ages, but if you fight Cal Kestis more than once he is gonna kill you dead.
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May 8, 2023 00:42
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TremorX posted:They never really tied up how the Nihil found Tanalorr in the first place, so it's likely the next game opens with the Empire finding it the same way I believe the whole deal with the Nihil is they knew secret hyperspace shortcuts so I assume that’s how they got to Tanalorr.
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May 8, 2023 00:44
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JBP posted:It's kind of funny that Star Wars characters tend to have tit for tat ongoing battles with one another for ages, but if you fight Cal Kestis more than once he is gonna kill you dead. I said it before but it's really insanely absurd how crazy a badass Cal is presented as for a dude who is supposed to be a forgotten nobody. He's the Empire's #1 most wanted badass Jedi, he butchered his way through multiple Inquisitors, several fully trained Jedi/Sith, entire armies of stormtroopers, and is considered enough of a tactical nuke that luring him to an enemy base is considered a valid way to *destroy the base* instead of killing him. He's burned his way through some of the best bounty hunters the galaxy has to offer, almost kidnapped a senator directly off Corucscant, had all kinds of badass adventures... like seriously he's effectively Kyle Katarn except he could probably wreck Katarn's poo poo by this point. He's not quite yet Starkiller crazy but he's close! .. man, "Cal Ketus vs Starkiller" would be a fun third game.
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May 8, 2023 00:53
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Captain Hygiene posted:Yeah, it's kinda weird that they had an original, personal villain in the first one, but then abruptly killed her off to make Vader the final boss. Seems like a weird choice if there's at least some hope of getting to do a sequel. Clearly time to bring back Jerec who I believe has been retconned to be an Inquisitor.
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ImpAtom posted:They probably couldn't gamble on a sequel. Remember thr first game was one EA was sure waa going to fail because it wasn't multiplayer That was one of my first ideas, but I couldn't remember much about the development. It makes sense, I'd forgotten the game was going against the grain like that.
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It's kind of funny to realize this game takes place right around the same time as Obi-Wan, so Vader takes two beatings pretty close to each other, even if one of them was a win.
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bobjr posted:It's kind of funny to realize this game takes place right around the same time as Obi-Wan, so Vader takes two beatings pretty close to each other, even if one of them was a win. I prefer to pretend that whole thing never happened and isn't canon (the Obi-Wan show). None of it makes any sense anyways.
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May 8, 2023 01:16
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Anyways, I beat the game at 20 hours in. I liked it a lot on the whole, it was a solid improvement in almost every area I'd hoped for. I think my biggest remaining gripe is that the platforming design and implementation is so swingy. It feels like for every traversal sequence that's awesome and fun, there's another that I get mad at after the seventh or eighth time because something just fails to work right. I was hoping that would be tighter, but it felt pretty similar to the first one. Mostly great otherwise though, I can't decide whether to continue on looking for stuff I missed, or try running through faster on NG+.
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Is there a Jedi Luke switch-a-like anywhere? The Cordova emitter is basically the same as Luke’s but not seen a switch part yet that comes close. I’ve a Frankensteined set of sabres that are a mix of Cordova and High Republic parts so far. Digging the Samurai style wrap on the Justice handle.Alchenar posted:“Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will...” Yeah, ain’t gonna lie: I’m thinking about this every time I stumble on a new boss and break out the dark boosted power strikes when it invariably starts kicking my arse and I want it over with…
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ImpAtom posted:I said it before but it's really insanely absurd how crazy a badass Cal is presented as for a dude who is supposed to be a forgotten nobody. https://imgur.com/a/8JoQPHf E: I love Greez in a flap "don't tell me he was fighting the entire base at once! He was wasn't he!?" JBP fucked around with this message at 02:14 on May 8, 2023 |
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Sentinel Red posted:Is there a Jedi Luke switch-a-like anywhere? I think it’s part of the deluxe edition?
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I said come in! posted:I prefer to pretend that whole thing never happened and isn't canon (the Obi-Wan show). None of it makes any sense anyways. The Auralnauts redeem it with "Larry." Without Obi-Wan, we don't get stormtroopers singing sea shanties, so I welcome it with open arms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXCcZSxHsAo TremorX fucked around with this message at 02:46 on May 8, 2023 |
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TremorX posted:The Auralnauts redeem it with "Larry." Without Obi-Wan, we don't get stormtroopers singing sea shanties, so I welcome it with open arms. He’s actually going by Bonjo now
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TremorX posted:The Auralnauts redeem it with "Larry." Without Obi-Wan, we don't get stormtroopers singing sea shanties, so I welcome it with open arms. Oh god, I forgot about Larry Kenobi. I pretty much lost track of the Auralnauts over the last few years, I have some catching up to do 
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Finally getting around to playing and got through the intro and some of Koboh. Loving it so far, and the game seems stable for me on PC. If there have been any hiccups, I haven't noticed them. I popped hard for the Z-95s (EDIT: Also appreciate that the consoles have a similar look to the fighters in Squadrons) and I loved the home video of the Mantis crew eating dinner. The customization is wild. I appreciate that someone probably looked at The Last of Us and Red Dead Redemption 2 and decided to do the same here. My favorite little detail so far is each lightsaber color having its own distinct hum. That's super cool. PunkBoy fucked around with this message at 05:03 on May 8, 2023 |
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PunkBoy posted:The customization is wild. I appreciate that someone probably looked at The Last of Us and Red Dead Redemption 2 and decided to do the same here. My favorite little detail so far is each lightsaber color having its own distinct hum. That's super cool. Wait what, no way. Is there a video or something comparing them?
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404notfound posted:Wait what, no way. Is there a video or something comparing them? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB1GcA_pKYg This game is the loving bomb dude. That's passion.
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So having beaten the game now, it gives me no pleasure that my earlier opinion— Dagan is the better villain and he gets killed too early on and anti-climactically, and Bode is a poor replacement — is still how I feel. And on top of that, the Big Twist sequence is really the climax of the game and the actual ending is a letdown. Really doesn’t help that Tanalorr turns out to be four empty hallways and then a single boss fight. PunkBoy posted:The customization is wild. I appreciate that someone probably looked at The Last of Us and Red Dead Redemption 2 and decided to do the same here. My favorite little detail so far is each lightsaber color having its own distinct hum. That's super cool.
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Pretty sure they're consistent with screen canon, too, like the white blade sounds like Ahsoka's sabers. lol one of the KX droid heavy attack voice lines is "MAXIMUM EFFORT"
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Honestly, I think all the villains are pretty mid-tier. Rayvis is probably the best of them. That dude is having a blast. Been waiting centuries to go out in a blaze of glory and he's just so stoked to finally shoot his shot. Similar to Palpatine, I think Star Wars villains are at their best when they lean into the monochromatic morality and go full supervillain caricature.
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404notfound posted:Wait what, no way. Is there a video or something comparing them? You can hear them when you select them
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The villains were all good in their own ways, but none had enough focus overall (also not helped by the long down times between story beats running around collecting things, so gunning through on NG+ helps) I do appreciate the character parallels on subsequent playthroughs, however, when you have hindsight and experience with it to better get a feel for it rather than the first time where it's "whoa wait what hold on stop go back"
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Dagan is the only villain who sucked imo.
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TK-42-1 posted:The voice work in this game is above and beyond even the best animated works. I guess it helps that they did a lot of it in mocap, but even then there’s times where I forget that it’s all animated. The acting is just really top notch. Except this one recurring Pilgrim whose echoes you keep finding on Jedha. It's especially horrible and noticeable because he's opposite another guy who is actually putting in effort and adding inflection to his voice, and this bungling guy is just Kool-Aiding into the conversation with weirdly stiff and overly loud and overannunciated stuff.
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I'm just throwing ideas out here, but I think the story might have been improved with: Cade being introduced in this game and the heel turn happening in the next game. Dagan starting out as someone trust worthy. You get him out of the tank, he tells you the story about trying to find the planet. You start helping him. He even trains Cal a little bit even becoming a little of a father figure. Then as things progress you find out what really happened back in the day and then he flips to a bad guy. Bottom line is both needed to be fleshed out more which you can't really fit properly into one game.
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I do wish the bounties were a little more open. It was a little annoying that you had to go offworld again and again and find one specific spot only to need to go back to the saloon to get another one. The boss fight and Boba showing up was fun though
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If they did a DLC where they had battles that were just waves and waves of enemies I'd play the poo poo out of it. They could even introduce playable Merrin for it to satisfy the freaks. Basically mercenaries mode but give it more flavour like you're defending a rebel escape from the empire or something.
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Jose Oquendo posted:I'm just throwing ideas out here, but I think the story might have been improved with: One thing I think the game does well is assuming the player is intelligent. I mean, you find Dagan in the Rehabilitation Wing. They just don't bother to spell out what he's being rehabilitated for; his physical injuries, or his losing himself to the Dark Side? Similarly, I love how when Cal gets into the escape pod on the Lucrehulk, he just mentions how much he hates them and looks terrified, and we don't get a sudden flashback to the last time he was on one of these pods, escaping Order 66 after watching his master get killed. On the other hand, it bugs me that he spends the entire game doing Force Push and Force Pull but it never occurs to him about Force-Things-Go-Up and Force-Things-Go-Down.
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JBP posted:If they did a DLC where they had battles that were just waves and waves of enemies I'd play the poo poo out of it. The first game eventually added like a battle mode in the meditation menu, so JBP posted:They could even introduce playable Merrin for it to satisfy the freaks. Hey!
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TheCenturion posted:On the other hand, it bugs me that he spends the entire game doing Force Push and Force Pull but it never occurs to him about Force-Things-Go-Up and Force-Things-Go-Down. Re: final boss I thought Bode got plenty of fleshing out. Between the time you spend with him, his backstory, and all the echoes you can find afterwards, you get a pretty clear sense of his character, and a good mix of sympathy and anger at him. Dagan is kind of undercooked, but I'm not sure that giving him a full game would change that. He's just not that deep a character, and exists more to drive the plot and to serve as a fake-out villain.
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