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projecthalaxy posted:*fingers Always Bad-style revisionism button thoughtfully* I mean in fairness the Cena and Brock stuff is still the best stuff WWE has done for like the decade prior and in the 6-7 years since. It's kind of preposterous just how good that SummerSlam match with Cena was.
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MJeff posted:Dirty little secret about AJ in WWE is that he's been aggressively average to mediocre since the Brock match which was six years ago now. AJ's 2017-2018 title run involved feuds with Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Shinsuke Nakamura, and Samoa Joe and they all sucked, it was wild. DBry stuff once he turned heel and beat Styles was really good though. I don't recall much about AJ from 2019 on, though. Teamed with Omos for a while. Some pandemic IC matches with Hardy, maybe?
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There's also the boneyard match which people will try to convince you was good. These people are demons and you should throw holy water on them.
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May 8, 2023 15:03
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MJeff posted:There's also the boneyard match which people will try to convince you was good. These people are demons and you should throw holy water on them. Will never stop saying DDT did a way better cinematic nonsense match in 2020, with Takeshita against Yoshihiko in a Last Man Standing match that even mocked the ripping out the eye spot from Rey Rollins match, work of art.
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Always wild to think there was a decade of wrestlers who's prime was ignored because Vince was at least a decade behind and TNA was trying to emulate the death of WCW.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Always wild to think there was a decade of wrestlers who's prime was ignored because Vince was at least a decade behind and TNA was trying to emulate the death of WCW. For how influential ROH/early 00's Indy wrestling was to the current product it's wild that the only wrestlers to make the WOR hall from that period are AJ and Danielson and unless the Punk comeback doesn't explode I don't see that changing
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SatoshiMiwa posted:For how influential ROH/early 00's Indy wrestling was to the current product it's wild that the only wrestlers to make the WOR hall from that period are AJ and Danielson and unless the Punk comeback doesn't explode I don't see that changing Crediting ROH for the current product is crazy. New Japan becoming the first #2 promotion in the US to not be there by default is to credit for that. ROH during the 00s was never even a blip compared to what mid-2010s New Japan was.
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SatoshiMiwa posted:For how influential ROH/early 00's Indy wrestling was to the current product it's wild that the only wrestlers to make the WOR hall from that period are AJ and Danielson and unless the Punk comeback doesn't explode I don't see that changing If Punk comes back and gets AEW a new TV show and the money that comes with it, there's no universe where he isn't a bolted on 1000% locked in hall of famer. He already is on the merits, but it would be preposterous to leave him out after that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYwXUxgszF0
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Crediting ROH for the current product is crazy. What's the old quote about The Velvet Underground & Nico? "The first Velvet Underground album only sold 30,000 copies in its 1st 5 years, but everyone who bought it formed a band." I'm not saying Gabe era ROH is quite that influential but more that influence doesn't always mean instant commercial success. But that legacy is a huge impact on AEW's style and even shines through in part in WWE. Guys might well have been a success without ROH, with only IWAMS, CZW, JAPW, RevPro/PWG, Wildside, whatever, but despite being a niche within a niche ROH did give guys like London, Kendrick, Danielson, McGuinness, Joe, Briscoes, Claudio, Hero, Shelley, an intermediate step between local indies and the TV promotions.
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forkboy84 posted:What's the old quote about The Velvet Underground & Nico? "The first Velvet Underground album only sold 30,000 copies in its 1st 5 years, but everyone who bought it formed a band." Actually its all ring ka king. from high to low, all wrestling is reaction to ring ka king.
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Just checking, but has Puerto Rican Destroyer been trademarked yet? (don't pretend Petey Williams....)
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Crediting ROH for the current product is crazy. ROH had a huge impact on American wrestling. The talent that came through that company and made their names in it alone is ridiculous. Night one of WrestleMania had Kevin Steen and El Generico main event, for example. The point is that while CM Punk and Samoa Joe were having hour long draws both companies with TV exposure were actively going in the other direction. WWE took it as an insult, spent a decade saying ROH didn't know how to work and sabotaged the careers of anyone who they hired for having a name made outside of WWE while pushing poorly trained bodybuilders. TNA had Jeff Jarrett as it's top star and spent the following years poorly booking some of the best wresters going in favour of former WWE guys padding their pension. It's only really after CM Punk over came WWE's bullshit that there was any change, and even then WWE nearly sabotaged Bryan Danielson right out of the gate.
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Gonzo McFee posted:ROH had a huge impact on American wrestling. The talent that came through that company and made their names in it alone is ridiculous. Night one of WrestleMania had Kevin Steen and El Generico main event, for example. It's funny if you see comments in the newsletters from TNA around 2003-5, often complaining that "we have most of the same wrestlers so why do they get rave reviews for their work in ROH & not here? It's not fair" & in 2003 London & AJ are given 25 minutes to steal the show while at the same time London is having fun sub 10 minute matches with Chris Sabin that end with some poorly done interference & AJ is stuck being associated with Vince Russo & in matches with multiple run-ins.
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May 8, 2023 16:24
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Gonzo McFee posted:Always wild to think there was a decade of wrestlers who's prime was ignored because Vince was at least a decade behind and TNA was trying to emulate the death of WCW. It’s crazy to me that I stopped watching wrestling because of reasons - but I remember hearing about he next superstars coming up from indies and now those stars are nobodies (styles and cm punk) while I completely missed the people getting pushed that I didn’t think they ever push (hardy boys split and edge etc) only for them to have a talented roster headed up by some jackass who does a Superman punch.
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MJeff posted:There's also the boneyard match which people will try to convince you was good. These people are demons and you should throw holy water on them. It was good because my boys were in that match therefore that match ruled
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Don't forget ROH also had the NOAH talent like KENTA and Marufuji who also greatly influenced the indy style which bled over to WWE and AEW
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Compared to Ceno World Order vs Bray match, it was way worse because it involved someone worse than Bray - remember it ending with Taker riding off on his harley to new metallica or some poo poo... on the other hand, It had the best opening of any match ever are those your boys Stab?! I can't see how coked out daddy magic's kayfabing in that robe if its him; though possible hard nipple sighting Hirez fucked around with this message at 18:15 on May 8, 2023 |
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Barry Bluejeans posted:"Give me the Ziggy," Fat Dolph declares, the crowd roaring their approval of his famous catchphrase Sometimes called the office.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Dolph should get fat and call himself Big Ziggy. A hype promo of him eating the Ziggy Piggy dessert from Bill & Ted all by himself.
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boneyard match owned. undertaker killed the bad brothers
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Dolph should get fat and call himself Big Ziggy.  
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Dolph should get fat and call himself Big Ziggy. 
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Do the second one Dolph, the world needs Summer of Hunk.
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Hirez posted:Compared to Ceno World Order vs Bray match, it was way worse because it involved someone worse than Bray - remember it ending with Taker riding off on his harley to new metallica or some poo poo... on the other hand, It had the best opening of any match ever Yep
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stab, I'm pretty sure that's AJ Styles.
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I’m heeere to eat the pig I’m heeere to eat the pig
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MJeff posted:stab, I'm pretty sure that's AJ Styles. Stab's roster of boys is ever expanding
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Jesus they still employ Dolph Ziggler?
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did you search through the Ziggy archives looking for a relevant comic or did you remember this one top of dome
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Bard Maddox posted:did you search through the Ziggy archives looking for a relevant comic or did you remember this one top of dome GIS ziggy comic, clicked on the like title page or whatever, saw this in the related images and figured forward facing plus checklist could have potential
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Big Ziggy style
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Raw stuff: The triple threats for the World Heavyweight/non-Roman participation trophy tournament: Seth/Nakamura/Priest and Miz/Finn/Cody, winners face each other in the main event Brock is backstage and reports are he's not finished with his Backlash opponent 
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MJeff posted:stab, I'm pretty sure that's AJ Styles. And John Cena
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Chris James 2 posted:Raw stuff: Sigh, they're gonna do "Brock attacks Cody to knock him out of the tournament" instead of "Brock murders someone on SmackDown to get into the tournament to have another shot at Cody", huh.
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MJeff posted:Sigh, they're gonna do "Brock attacks Cody to knock him out of the tournament" instead of "Brock murders someone on SmackDown to get into the tournament to have another shot at Cody", huh. Brock will beat the poo poo out of him for ten uninterrupted minutes in order to show the world what a fluke victory the loser fuckface who thought he could betray The Brand got over him on backlash.
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Breetai posted:Brock will beat the poo poo out of him for ten uninterrupted minutes in order to show the world what a fluke victory the loser fuckface who thought he could betray The Brand got over him on backlash. I love Brock Lesnar so that sounds really cool.
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I just had a fever dream of Cody winning at next years wrestlemania and Otis immediately cashing in the money in the bank thingy and winning. This is the golden path.
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