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Senethro
May 18, 2005

I unironically think I'm Garret, Master Thief.
Tried some Surge staff on Damnation and was really struggling to manage my Toughness using Warp Attack Feat. Felt much better switching to Warp Charge, 4% coherency WC and 10% random brainburst on attack.

Its the random gunner trash that strand you behind cover just outside of lightning range that do for me though. I maybe need a deflector sword so I can just walk up to them.

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Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

I don't play much psyker since my buddy has traditionally wanted to play it all the time, but is it viable to do the brain burst on attack with a high ROF weapon like an Accatran las machinegun? Do the fire and lightning staves tick fast enough to reliably proc it?

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Recon Brainburst was the original gun psyker build. Most psykers are using the shredder now though. Recon Las needs huge buffs I think.

Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag

My usual 4 stack is playing together again and nobody wants to play psyker lol. I'm so glad classes can have duplicates in this

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

Nehru the Damaja posted:

I don't play much psyker since my buddy has traditionally wanted to play it all the time, but is it viable to do the brain burst on attack with a high ROF weapon like an Accatran las machinegun? Do the fire and lightning staves tick fast enough to reliably proc it?

The free BB on attack has too long of a cooldown to rely on it to pop the things you would want. I just use it as a way to keep warp charges up without ever having to get them manually, because most of the time the auto BB spends itself on “gently caress this poxwalker in particular” which is funny but not particularly helpful as a source of damage

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

Pharmaskittle posted:

My usual 4 stack is playing together again and nobody wants to play psyker lol. I'm so glad classes can have duplicates in this

I used to love being Psyker or Veteran for being the elite-killer. Like having a very clear purpose and clear feedback from doing a good job was rewarding. But they just kind of feel fiddly to me now compared to the visceral thrill of shouting "FOR THE MASTER OF MANKIIIIIIIIIIIND" and zipping directly at something like a suicidal dummy.

I do still feel my own absence from the ranged combat role though any time we have a veteran who's less reliable than me.

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



Senethro posted:

Tried some Surge staff on Damnation and was really struggling to manage my Toughness using Warp Attack Feat. Felt much better switching to Warp Charge, 4% coherency WC and 10% random brainburst on attack.

Its the random gunner trash that strand you behind cover just outside of lightning range that do for me though. I maybe need a deflector sword so I can just walk up to them.

I'm unsure as to your exact setup but since no one asked I'll post how I like to play with the Surge staff on Damnation.

Quietude / Inner Tranq / Psychic Communion / Kinetic Deflection / Kinetic Flayer / Kinetic Barrage
Surge Staff with Warp Flurry and Harnessing the Warp.
Deimos Force Sword with Deflector and Slaughterer.
Curios are all maxish +health with +health perks and damage resist to snipers, gunners, and I think one random mutant. Side note it's incredibly hard to roll up good curios.

The way I like to play with Surge is hanging just behind the other 3 people and focus on keeping them clear from special/elites coming through the horde with surge stagger, sometimes I'll ult for the stagger but I try to avoid that unless it's desperation. Clearing adds that the director loves to send at our sides and back. The great thing with the surge staff is I can start firing with it and then without breaking target(s) lock I can swivel my view to scan sides/behind.

I really only brain burst on Beast/Plague Ogryn fights or when everyone is sitting back clearing an area before moving up. If say a single crusher or reaper is getting close my charged sword attack is better at loving them up than like the 2-3 brain bursts required to kill one. If it's more than one than typically it's best for me to keep the lightning flowing so the team can easily clean up. Bulwarks get lightning almost exclusively (sometimes you have to solo in which case I prefer to dodge their attack and then stick em with the sword). Poxbursters get lightning (only thing that can stagger them minus a melee shove), once they are clear of your team sometimes you have to let them get close enough to start their blowing up sequence before you stagger them back again or you'll be having to lightning them forever, you could also stagger into BB if your team is busy elsewhere.

I'll precharge BB for hounds, for mutants a BB won't kill them so I'll just have my surge charging because the lightning staggers them too. If I don't get that off before a grab and the mutant is close to me I'll do a special attack to it's head which typically seems to get it dead before it can throw or pound my teammate too much.

If the team isn't dealing with ranged threats well for whatever reason then I'll find myself having to BB a lot more but BB is so slow compared to a Vet clearing ranged threats that it's not smart to do if there's literally any other value you can be adding to the team fight.

On really good teams I'll be super low damage because everything gets blendered before the surge staff comes into play. On worse teams that can still complete the mission I will still be low on damage done but I'll have a poo poo ton of staggers, won't take much damage myself, and while I haven't seen stats on this I believe it can help the team take less damage too.

As a side note I like playing with the Voidstrike staff as it's fun for shooting balls of death, Purgatus is fun but IMO only if there isn't another flamer character in the mission, 2 is too many. Trauma staff I haven't rolled up a good enough one yet to try running it.

edit: I don't use guns because for me that's not why I play Psyker class.

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

Having played a decent chunk of Psyker, I've found my home in the Voidstrike. Kills hordes at longer effective ranges than Purgatus, knocks over almost everything, fully charged shots stagger Poxbursters. Why bother with Surge staff when you're just CCing stuff that you haven't already killed? Bring Ilisi for horde clear in melee, shoot lots of voidballs, brain burst crushers and bulwarks.

Also literally the only level 30 feat I take now is the reduced shout CD per warp charge + double warp charge on gain. Save your friends, save yourself, kill excess peril and still have a shout ready to go in an emergency. Psyker ult is an extremely underrated as a tool to save your team with.




Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

Yeah I noticed that looking at the scoreboard mod, I'll have single digit blocks, if that, also rebound dodge-only to spacebar and put jump on V, feels heretical at first but if you -ever- have a issue of jumping when trying to dodge it's worth doing.

Blocks are just too risky when you are dancing around a hundred enemies and running out of endurance means you get stunlocked to death, though Psyker and force swords with deflector and +3 endurance curio I've found to be very strong.

don't use the stamina curio, the lower your max stamina the faster it regens and thus the easier it is to chain push. You only get full strength pushes with stamina remaining after all. Apparently a two stamina psyker weapon can chain push a horde infinitely.

Also if you aren't running the blocking costs perils feat you def should, makes it so much safer to tank things and get revives off. Nothing else on that tier is really any good anyway lol.

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

making a separate post to highlight this very important Voidstrike PSA: fully charged Voidstrike knocks over Poxbursters even before they try to lunge. Very very good for dealing with them at range if you have a sightline or if they're in a horde.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


the plasma gun buffs feel very good with the caveat that you really need Gloryhunter 3 or 4. It also rewards practice - you need to be able to tag elites with partially charged headshots, just enough that you one shot them without significant overkill.

If you are good at that stuff though it’s like a better version of the Kantrael XII. You just instantly delete every elite you see, your Volley Fire remains up permanently, you are nearly unkillable with ranged attacks due to 75% damage reduction and massive, constant toughness regen, and even Ogryn are no problem.

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

You don't really need Gloryhunter imo, but I imagine it's nice. I'll certainly try it sometime though, maybe I'll change my mind. Plasma is v v good now though for sure.

ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



Plasma and Bolter are just really drat fun and satisfying. I love the XII don't get me wrong but the awkwardness and trade offs for the aftermentioned guns make them very fun, helps they're really effective at deleting elites/ogryns too

Sestze
Jun 6, 2004



Cybernetic Crumb

Evil Kit posted:

Also literally the only level 30 feat I take now is the reduced shout CD per warp charge + double warp charge on gain. Save your friends, save yourself, kill excess peril and still have a shout ready to go in an emergency. Psyker ult is an extremely underrated as a tool to save your team with.
While playing Psyker, I found out in a Throneside mission when one of my pubbies was lost that I could knock dogs off of them through walls using my shout. It doesn't check LOS to apply fire or stagger enemies.

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

Sestze posted:

While playing Psyker, I found out in a Throneside mission when one of my pubbies was lost that I could knock dogs off of them through walls using my shout. It doesn't check LOS to apply fire or stagger enemies.

Yup! Up to 30 meters up, though it seems like it really only heavily affects a limited number of targets and the rest just get lightly staggered. Even that light stagger is great for stopping a group of gunners/reapers shooting at you or a flamer in a bad spot from incinerating your team while it deals with other threats. Psyker ult is very good, and even better when you can spam it instead of having to save it for yourself.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NokIQhmWaOE

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
Finally got Camo as the veteran and it feels very, very good to post up on an exposed vantage point and become the Problem Solver for an entire event. Ragers backed the psyker into a corner? Sniper pinned the Zealot? Dog pinned the Ogryn? Just put the front site on the head and click click click, no more problems.

Or just hit F when the audio queue procs, scan the ways in, and stop the enemies right at the gate, it's trivial now that you're standing on some crates and being ignored by the pox walkers. Oh, and if the data hack stops go take care of that too, you'll be fine.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Owl Inspector posted:

The free BB on attack has too long of a cooldown to rely on it to pop the things you would want. I just use it as a way to keep warp charges up without ever having to get them manually, because most of the time the auto BB spends itself on “gently caress this poxwalker in particular” which is funny but not particularly helpful as a source of damage

it's a bit more useful with voidstrike and trauma because shots that kill an enemy on their own never proc the brain burst

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



Evil Kit posted:

Having played a decent chunk of Psyker, I've found my home in the Voidstrike. Kills hordes at longer effective ranges than Purgatus, knocks over almost everything, fully charged shots stagger Poxbursters. Why bother with Surge staff when you're just CCing stuff that you haven't already killed? Bring Ilisi for horde clear in melee, shoot lots of voidballs, brain burst crushers and bulwarks.

Also literally the only level 30 feat I take now is the reduced shout CD per warp charge + double warp charge on gain. Save your friends, save yourself, kill excess peril and still have a shout ready to go in an emergency. Psyker ult is an extremely underrated as a tool to save your team with.
Having played Voidstrike I believe there are some shorter ranged situations/spawns in the game where you'll find yourself struggling to output enough voidstrike or BB damage to clean up the elites/specials trying to melee your teams face off. With that said I myself play probably 45% voidstrike, 45% surge, 10% purgatus these days when I'm on psyker. Killing everything harder is absolutely a valid and fun playstyle.

I'll have to give faster psyker ult feat/playstyle a go to see how I like it adding more CC in the voidstrike lineup. I still think I don't like the Ilisi because it's worse enough on elites but hell maybe one day I'll give it a go too.

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

tangy yet delightful posted:

Having played Voidstrike I believe there are some shorter ranged situations/spawns in the game where you'll find yourself struggling to output enough voidstrike or BB damage to clean up the elites/specials trying to melee your teams face off. With that said I myself play probably 45% voidstrike, 45% surge, 10% purgatus these days when I'm on psyker. Killing everything harder is absolutely a valid and fun playstyle.

I'll have to give faster psyker ult feat/playstyle a go to see how I like it adding more CC in the voidstrike lineup. I still think I don't like the Ilisi because it's worse enough on elites but hell maybe one day I'll give it a go too.

I primarily use Illisi so I can defend myself from hordes and the charge attack both staggers Ragers and also does good damage, usually just a two swipes with max slaughterer stacks. Also you aren't committed to an animation which is extra nice for kiting. I do have some weakness to overwhelming numbers of bulwarks and crushers, but singletons are pretty easy to handle. Also your team can cover for some of that too.

As for ultra close situations with hordes, Surge is way worse imo for defending yourself, and obviously Purgatus is the go too choice for that so it's sort of comparing the weaknesses and strengths of each stave lol. Lemme know how you feel about fast shouts once you play with it.

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

Got me a knife with Mercy Killer 3 and Flesh Tearer 4.

20% to infested enemies is locked in (the other original perk was worse.) I could change 8% to elites.

Any suggestions?

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


Nehru the Damaja posted:

Got me a knife with Mercy Killer 3 and Flesh Tearer 4.

20% to infested enemies is locked in (the other original perk was worse.) I could change 8% to elites.

Any suggestions?

+crit chance? I am not sure what the best stat to look for on a bleed build knife is.

40 Proof Listerine
Jul 1, 2007

Baroness Kanan-Zelaya of the minor House of Carbon

Nehru the Damaja posted:

Got me a knife with Mercy Killer 3 and Flesh Tearer 4.

20% to infested enemies is locked in (the other original perk was worse.) I could change 8% to elites.

Any suggestions?

You'll want maniac damage because they don't take a lot from bleed stacks and do take a lot from the direct melee

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Played an absolutely bonkers Hi-intensity specialist gauntlet mission, which we won by the skin of our teeth, and look at this enemy spawn we ran into. Ogryns wet dream

https://i.imgur.com/95lTWmK.mp4

ONE...LAST...REP /dril

https://i.imgur.com/Noxvzza.mp4

Return of space doggo

https://i.imgur.com/JKNkQuo.mp4

This bit was particularly cool looking in lights out

https://i.imgur.com/y2tsD59.mp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvZc9CkDwY4

This one needs sound

Jerkface fucked around with this message at 00:34 on May 11, 2023

Captainicus
Feb 22, 2013



Independent of whether other people use ui mods or different skins and things to me, the strangest thing about watching clips is not dropping to 20fps whenever there's a horde on screen :v:

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

please explain the [END] button prompt

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

I push the end key to engage BULLET TIME

40 Proof Listerine
Jul 1, 2007

Baroness Kanan-Zelaya of the minor House of Carbon

Jerkface posted:

Played an absolutely bonkers Hi-intensity specialist gauntlet mission, which we won by the skin of our teeth, and look at this enemy spawn we ran into. Ogryns wet dream
(Videos)
Dang that clip really shows how the Ogryn Vet feat buff and volley fire just melt Ogryns with the Bolter

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
The bolter really is king of the "oh poo poo" moments. There's basically nothing it can't handle.

ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer
Man I am a terrible psyker lately. This illisi sword feels so good i just keep chopping. My staff almost never comes out and almost always gets me killed when it does.

Pop an elite with bb and slash slash slash slash till i pop another

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

Stanley Pain posted:

The bolter really is king of the "oh poo poo" moments. There's basically nothing it can't handle.

I mean except something suddenly appearing in front of you while you're in melee, but otherwise, yes.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Mendrian posted:

I mean except something suddenly appearing in front of you while you're in melee, but otherwise, yes.

Thats when you press [END]

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

ZeusCannon posted:

Man I am a terrible psyker lately. This illisi sword feels so good i just keep chopping. My staff almost never comes out and almost always gets me killed when it does.

Pop an elite with bb and slash slash slash slash till i pop another

Abandon the staff, embrace the pinning fire autopistol gunpsyker.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009
Damnation with Hi Intensity Shock Gauntlet. Some of the best fun I've had with this game!

https://twitch.tv/videos/1817857454

masterpine
Dec 3, 2014


Damnation High Int Shock is some proper Level 6 poo poo and I'm having a blast with it. Everything is manageable 95% of the time if you do all the basics right. Every now and then though the game will just throw insane poo poo your way and have you holding on for dear life.

There are a few things in the game which are very very strong right now but they feel fantastic. I hope the way forward for balancing is to bring the power level of other things up instead of nerfing things, but then give us bigger challenges like shock gauntlet.

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
I just wish it wasn't random whether drat High Int Shock is on the menu when I play.

Fishstick
Jul 9, 2005

Does not require preheating
The technology to simply let you choose which maps to play unfortunately does not exist yet, it's something many game developers grapple with

Insert name here
Nov 10, 2009

Oh.
Oh Dear.
:ohdear:

Just picked this up; anyone have any opinions on what to reroll? Power Cycler replacing Supercharge is a given, but what about the perks? I was thinking of carapace damage replacing the crit chance, but maybe flak would be better for when I'm swinging unpowered? I don't have too much experience with the power sword.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Replace crit with Flak damage IMO

Maniac + FLak are what I try to get on any powersword. If you have powercycler you can do it, but it may be smarter to replace it with Slaughterer IV and deal with the singular activation. Slaughterer+Rampage is the 2nd best behind Slaughterer+Powercycler.

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
I'm approaching level 30 on my veteran and still don't have power cycler. Is there any "trick" to getting it or do I just keep checking the armory, the requisitions, and the blessing up white weapons until I see it?

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Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
Your best bet is just checking Melk every day and making sure you have 3500+ melk bucks on hand, you might get lucky trying to spam damnation to get a plasteel stockpile for upgrading swords, but you can end up pretty disappointed that way too.

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