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Strange Cares posted:I don't think it's unethical that he's created a raybot (except for the base model he's using of BigBoy, but we won't get into that now), or that he's generating AI strips, it's that AI is the latest snake oil from silicon valley and Onstad's thing was long pointing at the latest snake oil and making fun of it. Seeing him go for this one is... well, it's worrying.
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Nessus posted:He ain't even making the AI strips from the sound of things. We shall see. It sounds like it may bankrupt him but perhaps he has a sugar daddy. We'll know when we see Teodor's new job at Northop-Grumman. Sorry, I phrased that in an unclear way - I did not think he was making AI strips. Went back and edited for clarity.
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How'd it taste? Someone steal it?
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funniest thing about that interview is when Onstad compares himself to Tolkein
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mutantIke posted:I'm not sure how it's profitable either. Definitely cool, but would be a questionable business decision even without the whole stigma around AI Yeah, considering the financial losses that OpenAI is racking up, it's likely to get more expensive in the medium term, not less. I hope nobody's trying to convince him that having character-specific chatbots should be a cornerstone of keeping his business sustainable for the long term this time. On the other hand, I could see it from the other side: maybe these guys are trying to get funding for some kind of commodified discount language-model hosting service, and having Onstad's artisanal hand-crafted dialogue as one of their flagship customers is their galaxy-brain marketing idea. In any event, the Patreon page doesn't charge extra for a RayBot tier, and if it ever does, I just won't sign up for it.
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it is definitely clear that the strips aren't being written by AI and anyone who sincerely thought that to be the case did not actually read the article, but I don't think that describes anyone here what makes me worry a tiny bit is the article's line about onstad "warm[ing] up" with AI models of the characters before writing the strip. to me that could imply that he's lost some of the distinct voices that make these cartoon animals so funny. here I am thinking of the bit in the ray-in-rehab arc where cornelius and to a lesser extent beef feel a bit off. but I've just reread it and maybe part of that feeling is a strong yet unwarranted reaction to the word "rannygazoo." and the following strips are consistently good to great (god I love the ones about todd shouting "BALLS" so hard that he autodecapitates) so in the process of writing this post I have largely cured myself of that tiny bit of worry. in any case I enjoyed the one strip and the podcast transcript and I'm still giving him nine bucks a month the more pressing issue in that article is how it says raybot costs about 10 cents per pull. how is he gonna afford that more falafel please posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_97q16TFxk man to each their own I guess because toby huss rules and the inflection of "oh that's right! I put two thousand flushes in the toilet last night!" has been making me laugh for years
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Oh gently caress I didn't know it was Toby Huss! I guess credit to him as a voice actor because I didn't pick up any hints of him in it. Still doesn't sound like Ray to me. Maybe Ray's voice is just a platonic ideal that exists in my head and neither AI or voice acting will ever replicate it.
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Nessus posted:How'd it taste? It was delicious as usual. Nobody put a hair in them either, unless it was me
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May 9, 2023 03:50
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 I always seem to forget this, but Ray has a lot of money.
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moot the hopple posted:I think I remember seeing some of the pilot or some portion of the Achewood show floating around. The voices didn't match what I imagined the characters should sound like in my head was my takeaway. That was an earlier project for Adult Swim done with the Drinky Crow Show people, and like others have said it just isn't very good, for a Pitch Reel it focuses on all the wrong aspects of Achewood to try to sell to executives and mainstream audiences, it needs a lot less Roast Beef and Philippe and a lot more Todd, Vlad, and Lie Bot also asked Raybot about what he and his friends like for Chicken Wings(relating to my earlier post) and here's his response; Raybot posted:Man, I don’t eat much chicken anymore (I mean, I usually eat a lady before I go to bed, but that ain’t really calories or anything). My chicken wing love days are behind me, I guess. drrockso20 fucked around with this message at 04:02 on May 9, 2023 |
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Raybot just advised me to get rid of any friends who try to tell me that opening a restaurant is hard.
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I'm thinking about starting a craft soda syrup line. Do you have any advice? —Not Chris OnstadRayBot posted:Dear Chris, Started off unexpectedly strong (in a hella 2006 Achewood way), got boring.
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a couple that I particularly liked; Should I be worried about generative AI? —Technome Not really, AI is complicated, and pretty much all of the work is being done by the military. I think it’s just a matter of time before some general's son who was supposed to be programming a airplane defense system ends up dead (or at least maimed) by the hand of his military-funded AI gone awry. That guy is going to get his rear end owned so drat hard it will be all over US Weekly for weeks. My advice is: don’t be that guy. Who is the world's most masculine man? —moose Dear Moose, Man, we don’t even know what “masculine” means. If a man can cook and clean and cry at movies and buy his own Christmas presents and wear a white nice-pants suit on his birthday then I guess it’s like “Bob Dylan” or something. That’s off the top of my head. I know Bob Dylan has got like 18 Grammies so maybe he’s masculine? I actually don’t know what Grammies are. I think they’re like...marbles? Yeah, they’re like marbles. I'm wondering if Philippe might be open to getting adopted? Do you think he might be interested in this? He is a very special boy. —Kasson Dear Kasson, No, I don’t think he’s interested in that. He had to get rid of all his “baby stuff” (toy bassinet, one little diaper, etc.) to get the official “cartoon kid” classification, and now he’s pretty adamant that he’s not going to change back to being a “baby.” He’s got this whole thing worked out in his head about how the “System” is set up just to deceive him, and he’ll totally go on rants about it. I guess this is what happens when you go to college and a lot of “bad ideas” get shoved into your head. I don’t know, maybe it’s just me. I like the days when I could just go out to the field and have a good time. I am unsatisfied with my career. How do I get money to eat and have healthcare without working? —BigP It’s a hard knock life for a hustle man What's the best kind of guinea pig. Thoughts on guinea pigs? —Arkady Z. A lot of folks do seem to be trying to get me to recommend a specific kind of rodent, though the truth is that I am kind of “meh” on the subject. I think the only important thing is that your rodent not be allowed to run in its own urine, because that’s how it gets all kinds of diseases, including “rat-pout.” Also, check your rodent’s nuts every few days to make sure they’re “hangin’ right,” as they say in the rodent game. Some rodents go “testicular,” and if you don’t check on them they’ll get this real bad kind of cancer where they get these big, evil-looking tumors. Getting old straight up scares me. How can I confront my own mortality? —JavaCoder2000 Dude, why is thinking about getting old such a bummer? Personally I kind of like getting older. I've been healthier and more mentally alert than I was in my early 20s, and I sort of know my way around life a little better now. It's not as fun as it was when I was in my early 20s, but it's a good kind of less fun, if you get what I'm saying. I think getting older is like having a much better bicycle: you can get much, much better bike routes in your life now, and you can go much, much farther. I also have better brakes, because I have learned to read situations better, and don't take stupid risks. When I was in my early 20s I used to try to talk to every pretty girl I saw, no matter how awkward it was going to be. Now when I see a pretty girl I think, "Is it worth the thirty seconds of embarrassment to try to talk to her?" nine times out of ten I say "no." As far as confronting mortality goes, there ain't much to do about it. I wish we had cooler funerals, like the Japanese do, but with our religion we've got to basically be all tucked in a box like a sandwich before being blown up. The Japanese, who basically have basically exactly the same drat beliefs as us (they just got tweaked over time because of Christian Missionaries), say that you should be comfortable and peaceful for your last four hours and then be either buried or cremated. Why can't we have that? Is it too good for us?
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Escobarbarian posted:This one sums a lot of it up for me: I’ve been wondering why people just instantly start getting insanely aggro over even the most innocuous uses of the new AI tools. I guess it’s a twitter thing?
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moot the hopple posted:Oh gently caress I didn't know it was Toby Huss! I guess credit to him as a voice actor because I didn't pick up any hints of him in it. Still doesn't sound like Ray to me. I think Toby Huss would probably be a great actor for Ray, but his inflection in that pitch reel is all wrong
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Tiny Timbs posted:I’ve been wondering why people just instantly start getting insanely aggro over even the most innocuous uses of the new AI tools. I guess it’s a twitter thing? It's because Corporations want to use this newfangled AI tech to save money by replacing writers and actors/VAs. Apparently a huge sticking point in the WGA negotiations was when they added a clause about "No AI dictating the writing room or stories or being used to recycle writer's efforts" and the studios flipped the gently caress out. Their only counter to it was to offer "a meeting where the future of technology can be discussed." Also grifters using stuff like Midjourney to remix people's art for their own profits. Onstad's use is literally the best case scenario for this kinda' usage. He's not getting hurt, only his material's being used to generate stuff, and the strip itself isn't even being written/drawn by AI. It's one of those weird cases where it is legit, but most of the current implemented use cases for AI is Massive Fraud.
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Tiny Timbs posted:I’ve been wondering why people just instantly start getting insanely aggro over even the most innocuous uses of the new AI tools. I guess it’s a twitter thing? AI generated art was ripping off real artists and was doing stuff that made people VERY angry about the possibility of artists receiving fewer commissions because of it. Then it turned out that AI will never actually be able to convincingly estimate how many fingers are on a human hand, but people kept being mad anyways. The real current potential Problem with AI is it potentially plagiarizing things without the user knowing -- GitHub's AI code system has received multiple articles about how it'll just straight up regurgitate code from projects without adhering to their licenses, and the users have no idea until someone notices and goes "uh, hey mate, you've made a fuckup here". It's also being leveraged by companies to replace human talent, which both sucks for creative people and is going to result in hilariously expensive lawsuits over aforementioned plagiarism issues.
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Tiny Timbs posted:I’ve been wondering why people just instantly start getting insanely aggro over even the most innocuous uses of the new AI tools. I guess it’s a twitter thing? A lot of AI tools scrape artist portfolios without asking or compensation so twitter artists reasonably got very vocal about this. Alongside this, a bunch of crypto shills looking for their next big tech bubble started crowing about this was the future of art and taking full credit for anything they generated with an AI, as if writing a set of prompts was comparable to creating a work by hand. Onstad isn't doing either of those things so I think this is fine but a decent amount of people got the end message of "AI=supported by thieving crypto assholes" and not the reasons in between.
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I think once we start seeing rashes of people getting expelled from their graduate programs for ChatGPTing purple prose into their theses (almost certainly AI related theses, at that) we'll start to see a downturn in AI bullshit. In the meantime, we've got legions of dipshit techbros on one side and, apparently, the crispy stellas guy on the other.
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I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m wary because stuff like this:quote:Outside his interactions with RayBot, he uses versions of an LLM tuned on specific characters for limbering up before he writes, interacting with a bot to get ready to write in that character’s voice. Makes me think that the comics will be bad. The verge article in general makes it sound like Onstad is mostly just excited to play around with the chatbots, and the comic revival is almost an afterthought. Some of that might just be the article playing up the AI side of things, since AI is a hot topic right now, but honestly reading the article killed a lot of my enthusiasm.
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The comic is starting up again because it's hard to send a kid to college when you've had 2 jobs totaling 18 months in your life and merch/soda syrup isn't cutting it anymore
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May 9, 2023 04:46
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Based on the podcast transcript I am not too concerned, but he may be able to find his inner Pat very well.
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This is kind of the way I was hoping artists would get to use AI, rather than getting exploited and supplanted by it. If Onstad is having fun tinkering with it and people are having fun hanging out with Ray in bot form, that's cool. This is not a Millennial gutpunch or unethical use of AI. This is nerdery from the guy who once got GQ to publish a flowchart.
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Ray what the gently caress What did you end up doing to Nolan from the internet? —X Heh. I actually never got around to it. Sorry, X. Stuff just kind of came up, you know.
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Pattonesque posted:Ray what the gently caress Gotta admit it's very Ray to completely forget to actually order the hitman to murder a pervert
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Youremother posted:Gotta admit it's very Ray to completely forget to actually order the hitman to murder a pervert Ray PAYS ATTENTION.
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I don't have a problem with how Onstad is using the tech, but a lot of these Raybot answers just read like Bad Achewood. On a certain level, "get a computer program to produce prose like yours when you're really off your game" is kind of impressive, but... man, don't like readin' this stuff.
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more falafel please posted:The comic is starting up again because it's hard to send a kid to college when you've had 2 jobs totaling 18 months in your life and merch/soda syrup isn't cutting it anymore Good news is, he's already gotten at least two semesters' worth in the first 72 hours.
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Ray's advice column is a pretty smart way of covering up the shortcomings of chatbots. Anyone who's interacted with chatGPT or similar about a specialist subject will tell you that it provides "answer-shaped responses" over actual answers and comes unstuck very quickly as soon as you ask it questions that aren't contained in its training data set. Fortunately, Ray's advice column doesn't always provide useful answers either, so Raybot succeeds if it can respond to a prompt in a way that sounds like Ray. Providing an actual answer is secondary. (The bot doesn't reliably sound like Ray either, but at least they've sidestepped one of the fundamental issues of generative AI.)
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Anyways congrats to Onstad for getting your poo poo together and getting back on the ol Achewood horse. Havin' a crispy stella in your honor.
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Pattonesque posted:Ray what the gently caress A player never admits to felonies on the record.
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its very funny that people are paying onstad money for his ai generated comics
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If you speak against nu-Achewood then you are about to enter a world in which the only activity that exists is tasting my hog
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I asked Raybot what the appropriate amount of money was to give someone if you accidentally destroyed a beloved musical instrument they owned 6 hundo didn't enter into it at all That ain't Ray, it is a Thing wearing Ray's Face
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uninstalling all my old pc games from the 90s because the boxes mention "advanced ai" and ai is a terrible thing regardless of the context in which it's used
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Seemed like as good a time as any to start the Butlerian Jihad.
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It's crazy that people got mad about what is basically a toy. I think its neat that a fake Ray can answer a dumb question, and it sorta basically sounds like if Onstad was writing it. I wonder if everyone was this loving cranky when the eggs and milk minder was up? I hope they knew it was a dang joke too. For laffs.
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