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Scarf
Jun 24, 2005

On sight

DrChu posted:


There's also the new Ampeg SGT-DI ($400) https://ampeg.com/products/pedals/sgt-di.html I'm going to need to wait for the "Ampeg sent us this for free so its the next greatest thing" Youtube hype to settle down to see if it has any staying power before I look more seriously into that.

For what it's worth, I still love mine and don't see it leaving my board anytime soon. We're expecting 1000+ for the show this weekend so I'm going to break out the full stack and really stretch it's legs.

At this point I'm really hoping they throw these circuits into a rack unit with a power section and sell it as a head.

Scarf fucked around with this message at 16:11 on May 4, 2023

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Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Shageletic posted:

Maybe the insanely active nature of the stingray is the reason? It's a heavy piece of equipment anyway. Guitars are like bubbles

I picked up a new stingray this year with the 18v preamp. I remember thinking “oh cmon with the ginmicky stuff” but good lord. I have a few other actives and passives. The difference in terms of amp master level (aguilar db751 +matched 4x10) is literally over 25% of the master pot throw to get any of them in the ballpark as the stingray. Its insanely loud but also very very good. Its a V so the B sounds slightly overdriven and its super satisfying to play. I have tried to play my others since and it just isnt there. Those 18v pres are incredibly good sounding.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Basic Poster posted:

I picked up a new stingray this year with the 18v preamp. I remember thinking “oh cmon with the ginmicky stuff” but good lord. I have a few other actives and passives. The difference in terms of amp master level (aguilar db751 +matched 4x10) is literally over 25% of the master pot throw to get any of them in the ballpark as the stingray. Its insanely loud but also very very good. Its a V so the B sounds slightly overdriven and its super satisfying to play. I have tried to play my others since and it just isnt there. Those 18v pres are incredibly good sounding.

Yeah lol I go to an occassional open jam that switches out bassists and I regularly have to lower the volume of the amp by 25% or so to match up with the Jazz basses and the like before and after me. It's a beast.

Anyways I weighed my stingray and it comes to like 9.4 pounds. I then weighed my Bass VI and its 9.6! What the hell! No wonder it hosed up my back.

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Shageletic posted:

Yeah lol I go to an occassional open jam that switches out bassists and I regularly have to lower the volume of the amp by 25% or so to match up with the Jazz basses and the like before and after me. It's a beast.

Anyways I weighed my stingray and it comes to like 9.4 pounds. I then weighed my Bass VI and its 9.6! What the hell! No wonder it hosed up my back.

Yeah i can get through about two songs unless I have that 4” mega padded levy’s strap. I have a brubaker (thanks thread) thats half the weight. Its routed for active with the battery box and everything, just no guts. So probably install an aguilar pre in it here shortly after I pay off this color box and hopefully that makes it not a sad thing to play compared to the stingray.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
Finally got brave enough to open up my bass and work out why my cable fits so loosely.

How do I fix this? YouTube and Google are no help, just millions of results showing me how to tighten the nut to stop a loose jack from wiggling, which is clearly not the problem.

Looks like I need to move the tip spring farther up the sleeve but damned if I can figure out how to do it. I've removed the lock and rubber washers but the remaining pieces seem fused together and I can't seem to get them to wiggle or rotate using as much force as I'm comfortable putting on them.

e: phone posting, didn't mean for the image to be that big

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Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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If It were me, Id bite the 7 dollar bullet and order a new jack. That bit of spring steal can wear out overtime and no amount of bending will make as tight and nice as a new one. And 5-10 bucks will get you top of the line stuff south of gold plated nonsense

Also is it completely in?

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
That thought occurred to me. I've sworn off cheap soldering irons and was putting off buying a nice one, so that $7 purchase becomes a $120 one (albeit money I was planning on spending sooner or later, so I can accept it).

And yeah it's all the way in. What's stopping the plug is the end of the sleeve/barrel, not the nut. This happens even if I completely remove the jack from the face plate.

FancyMike
May 7, 2007

https://pine64.com/product/pinecil-smart-mini-portable-soldering-iron/

Cheap soldering irons are good now, don’t spend a bunch of money unless you actually need a bench top station. Usb-c makes it conveniently portable too.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Hey, watch out for cheap soldering irons, and honestly, avoid portable ones at all costs. The amount of stuff they can't do far outweighs what they can.

But mainly, you need watts these days. A lot of things, especially imported things, are using lead-free solder. My trusty 30 watt iron, which I'd had for eons, could only get it warm enough to kind-of scoot around when I re-did the electronics in my Jaguar Bass. I ended up getting a soldering station at Home Depot that can get quite a bit toastier. Maybe 60 watts or so? It's variable. Anyway, that's what it took to really deal with lead-free solder with authority.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
When I first learned to replace pickups I got the cheapest $12 iron on eBay and it didnt tin properly at all and was so lukewarm I had to hold it on the solder until the whole pot I was working on had gotten burning hot just to melt it. Replaced it with a $35 thing from Dick Blick's and that works fine

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Just use tape its fine.


Kidding but I agree the you can even get little battery powered guys (rechargeable) that are quite fine for this kind of stuff. Plus solder isn’t really a good conductor anyways. Its just the preferred meltable “not pure lead” way to glue conductors together. Also all the solder you can get at home improvement stores is for water pipes so don’t use that.

Also, Id be pretty miffed if a shop charged more than 20 bucks to swap it out.

But Im kinda baffled that the plug sits like that in the jack. That kink on the tab is supposed to fit right into that narrow part on the plug. It looks to me like the plug has a larger diameter towards its base and thats whats preventing it from fully setting. I know sometimes there are some novel designs there for specialty applications. Like, have you tried a different cable that has the same diameter for the whole shaft?


Pull that plug out the jack and show a pick of that 1/4” big boy

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003

Wowporn posted:

When I first learned to replace pickups I got the cheapest $12 iron on eBay and it didnt tin properly at all and was so lukewarm I had to hold it on the solder until the whole pot I was working on had gotten burning hot just to melt it. Replaced it with a $35 thing from Dick Blick's and that works fine

I suffered soldering until I just got this like a decade ago. I wanted the analog version over the digital just for the ease of whipping a dial versus holding the buttons down.


After buying it, I started looking to add some soldering to projects as it became very satisfying by contrast of my early attempts. I really need to buy some tips for it as I’m still using the original chisel tip and it has been less than idea for a few SMD jobs :banjo:

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
I remembered Wirecutter had a recommendation for something a little more economical than the Hakko so I went with their baseline pick (X-Tronic). It's $60 and I'm not doing Arduino or ham radio stuff anymore, just fixing my kid's toys and random crap around the house (and now guitar repair/upgrades I guess :v:). I don't really care if the reheat is a little slower because I'm likely only going to be doing a half dozen connections in a job, not 50+. I just remember how much I hated the lovely Weller I had previously that couldn't decide if it wanted to be barely warm to the touch, or to cosplay the surface of the sun.

I also ordered a Switchcraft output jack so all further analysis is academic, I guess!

Basic Poster posted:

But Im kinda baffled that the plug sits like that in the jack.

Me too! It's not just bent. The depth is all wrong. The plug in the previous pic was a D'Addario cable (this kind). Here it is with another TS plug inserted: https://imgur.com/a/9z5EBWi

(I knew imgur was changing a bunch of stuff but I guess the BBcode embeds are gone now?)

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003

Discussion Quorum posted:

I remembered Wirecutter had a recommendation for something a little more economical than the Hakko so I went with their baseline pick (X-Tronic).

Haha holy poo poo I just looked up what they’re worth now and I don’t know if I would bite the bullet on the Hakko now (either inflation, popularity, or whatever reason it’s $170 moose dollars now).

I paid a lot less than that when I bought it but I also had a lot more hair in my hairline. I at least got the mileage out of the initial sting of the price. Built a boat, motorized a kayak, years of automotive and guitar/bass stuff, turned two Hammond organs into powered Leslie speakers only, etc. Been a wild ride for that Hakko.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Played a gig at my friends bar/cafe that was super cool. No drum mics, no di, felt just like the rehearsal space so we got super jammy and intimate. A whole venue of people just there to see music, not there for us specifically.

They loved it. We loved it. Probably the most fun gig I've ever played. When my friend had to close, we went to karaoke with a bunch of the crowd. Then we hit the bar at the hotel we were staying in. Then we partied in our lovely hotel room til 5 am.

Out of town shows fuckin rule.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Elissimpark posted:

??? Is your bass tiny or their banjo huge? Most banjos are like a tambourine with a neck and strings.

Anyway, the PJ bass is so last financial year. How about the PPJ bass?



According to the description on Mercari, it only has a volume knob - the other three are decorative.

I'd love to know how it was wired.

Lmao that looks like a Yamaha Motion-B gone wrong. Speaking of weight, I just got a MIJ Fender P, a 1993 vintage 62 reissue by FujiGen, and I was shocked at how light it was and how playable the neck is. Honestly expected it to weigh a ton and the neck to chunk out but it's to spec and is eminently playable, I've had a great time. I think perhaps playing 5ers has really helped and a P isn't that big a deal for me now.

I am also left-handed but learnt right-handed. I hate cables, I have an entropic relationship with them ie they tangle if I look at them and I seem to need to replace the instrument cables regularly for breaks and constant static issues on my pedal board. I too seem to get cables wrapped around my feet.

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Think maybe six months ago…someone here said they gad discovered city pop basslines and went down the rabbit hole. Ive been a big fan sonce a guy named “disco bazz” mentioned it as his inspiration for his music (probably circa 2012).

Anyway found this guys channel and some of these are a blast to play if anyone is looking to strep out of their normal repertoire. Some songs he covers on there I have not been able to find anywhere else but his channel and on some other personal yt channels (not on yt proper from the aritst or streaming services)

https://youtu.be/eubuq3PX-K8

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

Basic Poster posted:

Think maybe six months ago…someone here said they gad discovered city pop basslines and went down the rabbit hole. Ive been a big fan sonce a guy named “disco bazz” mentioned it as his inspiration for his music (probably circa 2012).

Anyway found this guys channel and some of these are a blast to play if anyone is looking to strep out of their normal repertoire. Some songs he covers on there I have not been able to find anywhere else but his channel and on some other personal yt channels (not on yt proper from the aritst or streaming services)

https://youtu.be/eubuq3PX-K8

Oh hell yeah I've been after something like that! Recently figured out I really like slapping and now I'm trying to learn licks and stuff

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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JamesKPolk posted:

Oh hell yeah I've been after something like that! Recently figured out I really like slapping and now I'm trying to learn licks and stuff

His “marmalade goodbye” song cover is a bit easier to start out with.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Nothing like a good wonky pull-off. I like his Sadowsky, his Fender 5er is obviously more versatile, but I like that bitey Jazz slap.

ewe2 fucked around with this message at 03:34 on May 7, 2023

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

The doom metal band accepted my performance as sacrifice to Satan and I am now in the band.

Played all their stuff straight to the recordings and then they asked me to come up with a riff on the spot to jam on. I really suck at actually writing music and not just a baseline for a song, so it was a little scary. Thankfully doom is mostly pentatonic so I just played sabbathy slow stuff in C and they liked it.

They also sometimes practice some songs in double time because it's more time efficient which I thought was funny.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Congrats! Being in a band is the funnest social thing to do.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Oh yeah I'm already in another entirely different band with my friends, doing a mix of desert rocky/blues/psychy/boppy jam stuff with female vocals. I love all things stoner/doom though so this is perfect for me.

Plus I get to play my long scale thunderbird in C tuning and feel my insides rattle.


Surprisingly my orange 2x10 isobaric cab was capable of competing with the orange stack the guy was using. Didn't get close to speaker distortion at all, and the terror bass has heaps of headroom. It actually gets hotter playing in the other band strangely enough.

Scarf
Jun 24, 2005

On sight

Scarf posted:

For what it's worth, I still love mine and don't see it leaving my board anytime soon. We're expecting 1000+ for the show this weekend so I'm going to break out the full stack and really stretch it's legs.

At this point I'm really hoping they throw these circuits into a rack unit with a power section and sell it as a head.

K well that just made me fall in love with the SGT-DI even more... Broke out the 115 to throw under the 410. Amp is an old Ampeg B2R from 1995 or so, but I bypass the preamp completely and have the SVT-DI going directly into the power section.





This thing loves to be played loud. Again it may be 100% confirmation bias, but to me it not only sounds but just feels like I'm playing through an SVT.

Scarf fucked around with this message at 00:33 on May 8, 2023

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Glad Im not the only one with a purple bass

The Science Goy
Mar 27, 2007

Where did you learn to drive?
Natural finish is best finish, but a good purple is hottt. If I didn't already have a killer natural Lakland, I probably would own one of those purple ones.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Basic Poster posted:

Glad Im not the only one with a purple bass

Whatupppp purp crew

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

I'd love a purple bass, don't do this, I've bad enough GAS as it is. If Sire do a P7 in purple I'm gone though.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Lol speaking of GAS I thought I was done with pedals but I keep on looking at videos and discussion about the Bass Clone chorus pedal and it seems perfect for the post punk vibe one of my bands love.

Anyone ever use it? Or the Clone Theory pedal that Peter Hook literally used? Leaning towards the former if I buy anything bc I've read the latter is way more noisy, but I'd love to get that morose drenched metallic quality you saw in post punk bands in the 80s.

I'm already imagining pairing it with my Oceans 11 reverb/delay pedal.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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I've got the Bass Clone, and I love it. It's got a "X-OVER" switch that will remove the low frequencies from the effect, and that can keep your bad from getting lost in the mix. You have to experiment with it, though, because it can also drop the low end from the mix (which is disastrous) if you have the BASS knob turned down. Ask me how I know.

Then tell me who is going into my pedalboard bag and fiddling with my pedals' knobs between when I pack it up and when I get it out to play.

Gorgar
Dec 2, 2012

I like the MXR M-134 for post-punk chorus bass. It also has a switch for not applying the effect to the low end.

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Laserface posted:

Whatupppp purp crew

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

tarlibone posted:

I've got the Bass Clone, and I love it. It's got a "X-OVER" switch that will remove the low frequencies from the effect, and that can keep your bad from getting lost in the mix. You have to experiment with it, though, because it can also drop the low end from the mix (which is disastrous) if you have the BASS knob turned down. Ask me how I know.

Then tell me who is going into my pedalboard bag and fiddling with my pedals' knobs between when I pack it up and when I get it out to play.

lol, I too have those pedal goblins fiddling with my settings (prob just being pushed around in my gig pedal board bag, but i like that explanation way better).

I'm already having issues with my Boss DS-1 impacting my low end but I just noticed after watching a bunch of essential bass pedal videos on youtube they all had their volume for the pedal at 3 o''clock when I always had the volume, like all the volumes on my pedalboard, at noon. Maybe that'll fix it (before that I was thinking of moving my Sansamp blackglass pre-amp to before it instead of after it)

DrChu
May 14, 2002

Shageletic posted:

Or the Clone Theory pedal that Peter Hook literally used?
I have a couple of these (actual vintage units) that I bought when I went through a Peter Hook phase and nothing else sounds like them, for most people that's probably a good thing though. Usually chorus effects are described as more "lush" or "open," the original Clone Theory is the opposite of that, its kind of cold/metallic, and breaks up a bit when pushed. I never really use the vibrato mode. I saw a recent (well, whenever his signature Yamaha bass was released) interview with Peter Hook and the Clone Theory is basically the only "real" part of his signal chain left, everything else is modelers.

If you really want to split hairs, there are at least three different versions of the original pedal, the difference being the chip used on the board, and if the chorus/vibrato functionality is on a pot or switch. I don't think either of the chips have bene made for 40+ years, and nobody makes a clone of either version (searching for a "clone theory" clone is also a pain).

All that being said, I don't think its hard to find a good sounding chorus pedal for general use. Before I had the CT I had the MXR Stereo Chorus https://www.jimdunlop.com/mxr-stereo-chorus/ and I thought that sounded great on bass and guitar. Having an EQ section on the pedal really helps change the character (and is a lot more useful than a blend in my opinion)

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

Pheewwwwww

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

DrChu posted:

All that being said, I don't think its hard to find a good sounding chorus pedal for general use. Before I had the CT I had the MXR Stereo Chorus https://www.jimdunlop.com/mxr-stereo-chorus/ and I thought that sounded great on bass and guitar. Having an EQ section on the pedal really helps change the character (and is a lot more useful than a blend in my opinion)

Very happy so far with the UC200 ultra chorus, i like it so much I have 2, one for the bass pedalboard and one for the guitar pedalboard. It works well for the bass because you can tune the tone and has great depth level and speed. There are fancier chorus pedals but this captures the right 80's chorus sound I like. It sits next to a Joyo Vintage Phase another clone pedal and they complement each other for chorusy phase goodness. The UC200 sits at the end of the chain before my preamp, it's happy there.

Maximum Sexy Pigeon
Jun 5, 2008

We must never speak of this!

Discussion Quorum posted:

Finally got brave enough to open up my bass and work out why my cable fits so loosely.

How do I fix this? YouTube and Google are no help, just millions of results showing me how to tighten the nut to stop a loose jack from wiggling, which is clearly not the problem.

Looks like I need to move the tip spring farther up the sleeve but damned if I can figure out how to do it. I've removed the lock and rubber washers but the remaining pieces seem fused together and I can't seem to get them to wiggle or rotate using as much force as I'm comfortable putting on them.

e: phone posting, didn't mean for the image to be that big



Well, the ringlet on the outside looks too drat thick, for a start, then it looks like 4 different ringlets on the inside to space it out. Weird.
It'd be a stereo jack from a different bass, and poorly packed. Take one of the spacers from the underside out.

Unwind that fat one from the outside and pull the whole shaft out. Remove that big, black plastic one and screw the shaft back in and see how you go.

EDIT: drat I just read you tried that. If you're a bit game, you can force the tip arm (long bit) to where you want it by pulling it away from the center, then bending it to the desired angle with some pliers. Yes, I've done this.

Otherwise, if you're not a solderer, take it to a guitar guy, it needs the right stereo jack barrel for that style of build. The scratchplate is far too thin for it as it was probably from a backrouted or siderouted bass.

If you can solder, that's some simple-rear end poo poo you can do at home in 5 minutes. But you'll need the right barrel.

Maximum Sexy Pigeon fucked around with this message at 13:56 on May 9, 2023

Maximum Sexy Pigeon
Jun 5, 2008

We must never speak of this!

Laserface posted:

Whatupppp purp crew



You know atm I can take an almost identical picture at home, flipped horizontally, but without the purple. But I cannot be assed

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

DrChu posted:

I have a couple of these (actual vintage units) that I bought when I went through a Peter Hook phase and nothing else sounds like them, for most people that's probably a good thing though. Usually chorus effects are described as more "lush" or "open," the original Clone Theory is the opposite of that, its kind of cold/metallic, and breaks up a bit when pushed. I never really use the vibrato mode. I saw a recent (well, whenever his signature Yamaha bass was released) interview with Peter Hook and the Clone Theory is basically the only "real" part of his signal chain left, everything else is modelers.

If you really want to split hairs, there are at least three different versions of the original pedal, the difference being the chip used on the board, and if the chorus/vibrato functionality is on a pot or switch. I don't think either of the chips have bene made for 40+ years, and nobody makes a clone of either version (searching for a "clone theory" clone is also a pain).

All that being said, I don't think its hard to find a good sounding chorus pedal for general use. Before I had the CT I had the MXR Stereo Chorus https://www.jimdunlop.com/mxr-stereo-chorus/ and I thought that sounded great on bass and guitar. Having an EQ section on the pedal really helps change the character (and is a lot more useful than a blend in my opinion)

Man here I was ready to buy the bass clone and you had to mention cold and metallic. That's the sound I want! I don't think I'd ever even mess around with chorus if I wasn't looking for that early 80s 4AD sound and I had thought that the Bass Clone was good at approximating (and took up a small part of the pedalboard. But your post had now reopened up my obsessive youtube watching lol.

E: here's a bop that has some killer metallic sound even if it isnt 4AD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX5cfMMM-LI

Give me that goth makeup fam

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Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
I have an update and it's stupid.

So I got a brand new Switchcraft 11 jack, test fit the D'Addario cable, and the fit is better but still not fully latching. I think the tip is too fat, because if I squeeze the leaf spring it will fit perfectly into place (then pop out again when I let go). I also test fit with a Hosa TS adapter I had laying around and that was fine. I guess I need a different cable too?

e: I found another instrument cable with my piano stuff. It fits perfectly in the new jack but still doesn't sit deep enough in the old one. So I guess the plug is too long and the old output jack is too shallow.



For maximum comedy, when I was test fitting the jack to the plate, I dropped the washer into the gap between the pickup and body where it is firmly stuck just out of reach. Am I going to damage the pickup if I use a magnet to try and fish it out (assuming it's even magnetic)? Otherwise I might need to unstring and remove the pickup :cripes:

I have half a mind to just trade this thing back to GC, trapped washer and all, and get a Classic Vibe. There is a nice natural finish 70s Jazz around 30 minutes away...

Maximum Sexy Pigeon posted:

The scratchplate is far too thin for it as it was probably from a backrouted or siderouted bass.

It's a used 2020ish Squier Affinity so I assume it is thin because cheap :v:

Discussion Quorum fucked around with this message at 00:28 on May 10, 2023

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