|
Febreeze posted:I'm fine with statistics, I'm just extremely tired of tiny stupid ones illustrating that Dak is actually the third best QB on long downs in the second quarter or whatever the gently caress Eh, he's amazing in some situations, but he's mediocre to bad in others. He is godawful at playing from behind and does best as a passer when he's improvising following an extra blitzed defender. In a clean pocket, he's average at best. If 5+ players come after him, though, he's like mahomes. You gotta look at all of the angles, and the stats help illustrate these things. It depends a lot on the situations he sees as to how he performs. And when you just have a bad defense that's getting bailed out by a good front four, he'll drop 40 on you even though you sack him six times. In conclusion, dak is a land of contrasts. indigi posted:Dak is good, I'd say very good. in stretches he's played great. that's my quarterback Welcome to the light, friend.
|
#
?
May 9, 2023 21:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 02:43 |
|
|
Dak is good, I'd say very good. in stretches he's played great. that's my quarterback
|
|
#
?
May 9, 2023 21:40
|
|
|
blarzgh posted:Notice as well that all the farty, bloated Giants fans have sworn a blood oath to abhor statistics, So they can pretend that Eli Was anything more than a below average quarterback carried by luck, variance, and an all-world defense to two titles. And yet he still has two Super Bowl rings hmm Context always matters with stats. Eli spent seven years of his career under one of the worst offensive coordinators ever winning in spite of him. No QB can win in the NFL having to pick three different break points from his WR. It completely inflated his INTs and gave him that narrative of a below average QB. Even despite this terrible system he put up 5k yards and a 2:1 td:int ratio in the 2011 Super Bowl run which would make him one of the best QBs in the league. After Gilbride was fired Eli had three straight years of pro bowl play despite being on the wrong end of 30. He's top 10 in tds all time, top 25 in yards all time, and has two super bowl rings. He's twice as good as Dak.
|
|
#
?
May 9, 2023 22:03
|
|
|
blarzgh posted:Notice as well that all the farty, bloated Giants fans have sworn a blood oath to abhor statistics, So they can pretend that Eli Was anything more than a below average quarterback carried by luck, variance, and an all-world defense to two titles. You know what’s a great statistic? Eli going 2-0 in Super Bowls against the Patriots 
|
|
#
?
May 9, 2023 22:09
|
|
|
I've watched a lot of Eli Manning play. I've spent a lot of time giving him the eye test. And he doesn't stack up. Eli the person is funny af, but he was middling at QB. It's a shame he didn't hang on long enough to break Favre's int record.
|
|
#
?
May 9, 2023 22:10
|
|
|
Doltos posted:Context always matters with stats. Eli spent seven years of his career under one of the worst offensive coordinators ever winning in spite of him. No QB can win in the NFL having to pick three different break points from his WR. It completely inflated his INTs and gave him that narrative of a below average QB. God I wish more people realized how pointlessly complicated Gilbrides offense was. So many of Elis worst throws were cases of the WR simply not taking the right break. loving Rueben Randle man When he got on the same page with a guy though, poo poo rocked. Then injuries would ruin those dudes after one or two seasons. I really wish Eli could have had his own steady long-tenured targets like Rivers had with Gates, Ryan and Julio, etc. Plax could have been that but then, well
|
|
#
?
May 9, 2023 22:30
|
|
|
blarzgh posted:First off you're new here so I'll forgive you: I'm the president of the Dak Prescott Fan Club, not him. I’m not new here, I just change my name anually
|
|
#
?
May 9, 2023 22:41
|
|
|
blarzgh posted:Notice as well that all the farty, bloated Giants fans have sworn a blood oath to abhor statistics, So they can pretend that Eli Was anything more than a below average quarterback carried by luck, variance, and an all-world defense to two titles. The 2011 giant defense was abysmal and bottom 6-7 in almost every stat that mattered https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/opp.htm It's right up there with the frequently cited "Eli always relied on a strong running game and play action" https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/offense/rushing/2011/reg/all The 2011 giants' team 3.5 ypc was dead last in the entire league, worse than the colt Mccoy/Peyton hillis/Montario Hardesty Browns, so you know they really fuckin sucked Couple that with an over the hill offensive line that was just as bad at pass blocking as they were run blocking and it took a herculean effort from Eli to drag those bums to the playoffs where their defense finally decided to start trying for the first time all year. That team was really, really bad at most positions but prime Eli reached the point where he could carry a team singlehandedly for a few seasons. And Eli at SF in the 2011 NFCCG where he got absolutely obliterated behind a gutless OL facing the best defense in the league in the rain yet never shied away from a single hit is still one of the better QB performances I've seen. The Niners were very easily the best team in the league that year and if the QBs were swapped they would have strolled to a title, probably two or three Eli had a lot of believers after that season and rightfully so, however there were and still (obviously) are quite a few Sean Salisbury-tier takes that he got carried to that title
|
|
#
?
May 9, 2023 23:09
|
|
|
Dak just doesn't have it. He's not clutch, he absolutely crumbles every time he is in the position to make the win happen. That's why he's not a good qb. He's kirk cousins.
|
|
#
?
May 9, 2023 23:12
|
|
|
Asproigerosis posted:Dak just doesn't have it. He's not clutch, he absolutely crumbles every time he is in the position to make the win happen. That's why he's not a good qb. He's kirk cousins. Didn't Amari Cooper get traded for calling him the black Kirk Cousins? Truly a prophet cast out of his own country.
|
|
#
?
May 9, 2023 23:22
|
|
|
blarzgh posted:"X - X against playoff teams/ teams are the winning record" is a made up stat, It means only one thing: You either are or you are not Tom Brady who is the only quarterback that has significantly more wins against teams have finished with > .500 record that any other quarterback in history basically Agree that it's bullshit and it manifests itself every year when teams are good but chipped for "not having played anybody" or having a "weak" schedule. All teams build winning records by beating the teams they're supposed to beat and holding their own against the elite ones. You see this in how, at the beginning of the year, reporters talk about which teams have the toughest schedules and, by the end of the year, that metric is totally different as teams play out the games and actually win and lose. A lot of times, what looked "tough" in September becomes "easy" by December after poo poo shakes out. Who had the NFCE as a tough division last year? BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 00:00 on May 10, 2023 |
|
#
?
May 9, 2023 23:57
|
|
|
my recollection of eli, having watched him at least twice a season, is he wouldn't do anything particularly excellent or impressive and you'd think "ah, yeah, we've got this," then you'd look up in the fourth quarter and the giants were up by ten
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 00:02
|
|
|
Lmao nothing gets those New Jersey Giants fans tumbling off their pull-out couches, spilling marinara all down their shirt, like a good Eli argument
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 00:26
|
|
|
Febreeze posted:Decimals are where dorks go to cope about their empty ring fingers This handsome devil doesn't have to worry about that.   :max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(599x0:601x2)/Tom-Brady-eb437ed7e54743d69a89a4d73c2fa004.jpg)
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 00:27
|
|
|
I can suck the marinara out later
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 00:29
|
|
|
Doltos posted:He's top 10 in tds all time, top 25 in yards all time, and has two super bowl rings. He's twice as good as Dak. He's lost as many games as he's won, and lead the entire league in interceptions multiple times.
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 00:29
|
|
|
Nervous posted:This handsome devil doesn't have to worry about that. The only thing Eli Manning is good for is beating Tom Brady twice, and for that, we all honor him
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 00:30
|
|
|
Nervous posted:This handsome devil doesn't have to worry about that. Say what you want, Tom earned those
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 00:43
|
|
|
blarzgh posted:The only thing Eli Manning is good for is beating Tom Brady twice, and for that, we all honor him He also gave hope to an entire generation of rubber-faced fartsmiths that they too could win the Super Bowl and know the touch of another human
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 00:43
|
|
|
Is Eli in the hall of fame yet ?
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 00:44
|
|
|
blarzgh posted:Lmao nothing gets those New Jersey Giants fans tumbling off their pull-out couches, spilling marinara all down their shirt, like a good Eli argument Ayyyye!!! Get outta ‘ere!! euphronius posted:Is Eli in the hall of fame yet ? The hall of fame of my heart.
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 00:56
|
|
|
Nervous posted:This handsome devil doesn't have to worry about that.  euphronius posted:Is Eli in the hall of fame yet ? He won’t be eligible until 2025, and I will enjoy the fury some fan bases will have when he goes in as I sit and grin and watch Super Bowl XLII highlights. Febreeze posted:God I wish more people realized how pointlessly complicated Gilbrides offense was. So many of Elis worst throws were cases of the WR simply not taking the right break. loving Rueben Randle man This, but also having a good tight end that he gelled with. Shockey for a bit, Kevin Boss for a season or two, that one crazy year of Jake Ballard’s slow rear end somehow getting open until his leg imploded in the Super Bowl, reviving Martellus Bennet for one season before they let him walk in free agency. There was also that one year, I believe 2015, where the Giants had the 31st pass defense and blew 6-7 leads where the Giants had or gained the lead with less than 2 minutes left.
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 01:44
|
|
|
The Giants were always somehow deeply flawed during Eli's entire tenure, they never really had what felt like a complete team outside 2008, which ended with Plaxico shooting himself. If the offense was good, the defense would implode. If the defense held firm, the offense would stumble around. Beckham would win a game for them singlehandedly and the defense would give up a 2 minute drill or Coughlin would lose his ability to manage a clock I mean one of Elis best games was when he threw 6 loving touchdowns and lost Febreeze fucked around with this message at 01:54 on May 10, 2023 |
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 01:51
|
|
|
Febreeze posted:I mean one of Elis best games was when he threw 6 loving touchdowns and lost Eli Manning was a shittier Tony Romo but he offset that by fuckin winning something
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 02:27
|
|
|
Shinjobi posted:Eli Manning was a shittier Tony Romo but he offset that by fuckin winning something Well that's the thing Eli was not only significantly better than Tony Romo, Tony Romo wasn't nearly as good as people made him out to be.
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 02:48
|
|
|
*coughs in dak prescott* Dak is good
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 02:54
|
|
|
Doltos posted:Well that's the thing Eli was not only significantly better than Tony Romo, Tony Romo wasn't nearly as good as people made him out to be. Well I went ahead and looked up their win-loss records and....well, I guess so! Tony had a better winning percentage, but Eli Manning despite clocking in at a .500 record definitely won more games than Tony Romo Stick to commentary, Tony, I guess!
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 03:29
|
|
|
It is absolutely incredible that this thread has now devolved into people defending Eli loving Manning
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 05:08
|
|
|
like him or not he still slayed the greatest evil at the height of their power
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 05:13
|
|
|
MrMojok posted:It is absolutely incredible that this thread has now devolved into people defending Eli loving Manning I know, it really shouldn't be happening because everyone should already recognize that he's a first ballot hall of famer But alas we must convince the final few holdouts
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 05:13
|
|
|
Iodised QQ posted:The 2011 giant defense was abysmal and bottom 6-7 in almost every stat that mattered Was 2011 the year the Niners blew the NFCCG because Ted Gin Jr was hurt and the replacement returner sucked balls
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 06:23
|
|
|
The problem is dak is a loser, he's got the loser stench. Eli is a winner and stats don't loving matter when you got the rings.
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 06:25
|
|
|
Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Was 2011 the year the Niners blew the NFCCG because Ted Gin Jr was hurt and the replacement returner sucked balls Yeah he biffed two punts and the Giants lucked out, as all great winners do
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 06:28
|
|
|
Eli was a pretty good to very good QB who is a slam dunk hall of famer and still would be if he died in March 2008
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 07:11
|
|
|
Eli was the definition of a perfectly mediocre QB for most of his career, his raw totals look good because he played for forever and never got hurt Also this is daltos gimmick to hate on Tony Romo, but Romo was absolutely better than Eli Manning
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 12:47
|
|
|
euphronius posted:Is Eli in the hall of fame yet ? Soon, and it'll be first ballot 
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 13:21
|
|
|
Nice Eli owns
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 13:22
|
|
|
He has the great combo of beating tom Brady and also losing to the eagles
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 13:22
|
|
|
I'm pretty sure Eli is that only guy to get sacked by both Jerome McDougal and Marcus Smith. And it might have been the first sack for both.
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 13:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 02:43 |
|
|
Eli should get in the hall but not first ballot. Let him and Tawm get inducted in the same class.
|
|
#
?
May 10, 2023 14:43
|
|
