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No Wave posted:When has a video game sequel ever been successful? They all famously fail, rejected by overly discerning gamers. I heard Mega Man 2 did pretty well back in the day. A shame Capcom never followed up on that.
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All I know about Darkest Dungeon 2 is that I tried the demo and the whole driving-the-carriage thing felt lame and pointless in comparison to the dungeon-wandering stuff in the first game. Maybe it opens up later on in the game, but it absolutely wasn't for me.
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May 10, 2023 06:51
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The 7th Guest posted:is there an example of a sequel that was fantastic but people hated it because it wasn't the first game and it took a really long time to make? aren't the fallout series games like this? Idk about the majority but there is at least a contingent of diehard fallout 2 fans who hated 3, etc.
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I'd also be pissed if loving Bethesda was in charge of developing something I liked.
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No Wave posted:If you think about it for three seconds you might understand why. Are you saying I'm too stupid to figure this out myself or that something you know is so wide spread knowledge that I'm too dumb understand a basic fact? Either way why the hostility? Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 played the same while Fallout Tactics played differently . I think that was a good way to denote changes in a game series and I would have worked with Darkest Dungeon 2.
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May 10, 2023 07:51
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A game will sell much better if you give it a 2 at the end instead of a spin-off subtitle.
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E. Revenant posted:Are you saying I'm too stupid to figure this out myself or that something you know is so wide spread knowledge that I'm too dumb understand a basic fact? Darkest Dungeon:  Darkest Dungeon 2:  the carriage is just a different animation of walking along a corridor and occasionally choosing a path.
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May 10, 2023 08:17
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You can't have two darkest dungeons, Seb. You just fugking can't. One of them has to be darker
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Propaganda Hour posted:You can't have two darkest dungeons, Seb. You just fugking can't. One of them has to be darker gently caress. gently caress.
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Jack Trades posted:A game will sell much better if you give it a 2 at the end instead of a spin-off subtitle. Is that a video games only thing? I can think of several movie series that are allergic to numbering their movies that still do well.
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sebmojo posted:the carriage is just a different animation of walking along a corridor and occasionally choosing a path. Dude, that very post had an example to two overhead view turn based combat games that diverged on what else you did outside of combat. It's still a relevant question even if the same combat system was used if the other elements have been changed.
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E. Revenant posted:Is that a video games only thing? I can think of several movie series that are allergic to numbering their movies that still do well. Games do that too. It depends where in the series you are. Look at Witcher 2 and Witcher 3 box art for example. Witcher 2 has a pronounced 2 because you want to say "here's a game that was good enough for a sequel." Meanwhile Witcher 3 is almost hiding it's 3 to not scare away the people that haven't played previous games. I don't work in marketing though. It's just speculation based on a pattern I noticed.
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the carriage controls and map design/camera work suck in DD2, but what I found much worse is the general UI with all the weird overlay menus that are not clearly distinct and you can change windows in the background, can't close the open active window with escape and so on. For a game that is basically played through UI this is terrible design cluttered and completely against the flow of the game. And it appears to have no controller support either. I'm currently playing Two Point University on the steam deck and it is amazing how obvious much work was put into making a classic mousegame work great with a controller. Jack Trades posted:Games do that too. It depends where in the series you are. 
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May 10, 2023 09:22
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Monster Hunter has this figured out, it's simple - you name your sequels Dos, Tri, 4, and World
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fez_machine posted:Umineko wasn't well liked in Japan and the author basically in game says thank you bootleg english translators for making this worthwhile sebmojo posted:Darkest Dungeon:
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There's possibly an expectation that players are using higher resolutions nowadays, the bottom screenie also probably looks much better in motion as they're proper 3d models. That being said this is all bloody extrapolation as I can't get DD2 to work through proton! arghh
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:aren't the fallout series games like this? Idk about the majority but there is at least a contingent of diehard fallout 2 fans who hated 3, etc. the thing about the fallout franchise is it's been like this for every single game in the series There was a contingent of Fallout fans who absolutely hated how Fallout 2 RUINED THE FRANCHISE with a lighter tone and less survivalism and more referential humor, and then Fallout 3 RUINED THE FRANCHISE by making it first-person and dumbing down the combat so non-grognards could play it, and then Fallout New Vegas RUINED THE FRANCHISE by rehashing 3's assets and gameplay instead of going back to the old ways, and then Fallout 4 RUINED THE FRANCHISE by focusing on action and building and a voiced PC, and then Fallout 76 RUINED THE FRANCHISE by being busted as poo poo and a product no one really wanted which was actually pretty fair. Self-loathing is an integral part of the Fallout fanbase experience.
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The only good Fallout game is the one you played first.
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Bad Seafood posted:Apropos of nothing, I think the first game looks better (based on these screenshots). It's stylized and readable while grim and grungy; that screenshot from the sequel is too dim to see, and I'm not sure what I'm looking at with the bad guys. it's not a good screenshot obviously, the games combat screen is fine and the 3D effects are imo very good. 
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May 10, 2023 10:18
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Yeah DD2 really needs to be seen in motion, it is very pretty
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Bad Seafood posted:First I've heard of it, not that I doubt it's less popular than Higurashi. The anime bombed, but the anime adaptation was pretty poor. Do you have a link? DD1 is much better looking, for sure. No idea what they were thinking with DD2's direction, in gameplay and in graphics.
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Bad Seafood posted:First I've heard of it, not that I doubt it's less popular than Higurashi. The anime bombed, but the anime adaptation was pretty poor. Do you have a link? I thought I read it one of the interviews he's done. I know there's effusive praise (if slightly obfuscated) for foreign reception/translation along the lines of this work wasn't appreciated so much before it was translated in the last episode of Umineko.
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There's a lot wrong about DD2 but the graphics aren't it. The new 3D art is loving gorgeous, even more so in motion.
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Orv posted:Darkest Dungeon 2 i feel like the hype trains get out of control on purpose. is there one example of the above where the hype backlash wasn’t a result of exaggerations and/or lies??
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May 10, 2023 12:32
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The first darkest dungeon was the darkest when that game came out, but since then, another dungeon has come into existence that is even darker.
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sebmojo posted:Darkest Dungeon:
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Darkest Dungeon more like Surprisingly Well Lit Dungeon
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Looking forward to the "Marginally Darker Dungeon: Priced Relative to Darkness" expansion DLC.
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Please rename the first game to Darkish Dungeon.
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They could have done worse, they could have called it Darkest Dungeons
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Obscurest Oubliette
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To make it period accurate, it should have been Darkeft Dungeon.
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Yeah those screenshots are not good comparisons, Darkest Dungeon II looks amazing in motion
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kazil posted:Obscurest Oubliette I'm incapable of reading this in anything other than Strong Bad's voice
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Rushes in and hunches over panting. Has anyone said Dankest Dungeon yet?
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Away all Goats posted:Are there any space based games like Mount and Blade, MechWarrior 5 or Battle Brothers where you control a single ship but can recruit other ships to fly with you? Star Valor is a really solid Escape Velocity-like that I really enjoyed. You can fly solo if you want to, but later on in the game you can hire mercs or outfit a fleet of your own with crew you rescued from derelict ships etc, and outfit with their own weapons systems. Although I think I played it in early access before it was quite finished, I had a really great time with it all the way through
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Foul Fowl posted:i feel like the hype trains get out of control on purpose. is there one example of the above where the hype backlash wasn’t a result of exaggerations and/or lies?? I'm not sure where you get lies from the previous examples unless you mean the devs saying "it's good" and fans vehemently disagreeing. There's definitely examples of what you're saying, usually because the dev process was totally hosed for one reason or another. Oblivion is a good example. Although it wasn't so much lies as they didn't know what they were doing and marketed features before they were fully baked. The development process was derailed by the technical limitations of the XBOX for which it was supposed to be a prestige launch title. E:Like Below Zero was disappointing not because stuff was left out, the world and pacing just didn't live up to the previous entry. Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 14:43 on May 10, 2023 |
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Here’s my analysis of this game I heard of 5 seconds ago based on the first blurry screenshot I saw of it
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Fruits of the sea posted:I'm not sure where you get lies from the previous examples unless you mean the devs saying "it's good" and fans vehemently disagreeing. i meant cases were there is a broad and widespread backlash against a sequel (or any game really) due to hype, not legitimate criticisms of the game, or where there's a few freaks on reddit/twitter/steam reviews causing a ruckus because they RUINED the game by CHANGING IT. i didn't read the posts with the examples and jumped to conclusions. lol. i would include marketing game features that aren't in the game under 'exaggerations and/or lies' (bethesda tends to be guilty of this for all their games) but maybe that's just me. i got burned by black & white 2 and fable 1 & 2 by the original bullshitter peter molyneux way back when so i learned my lesson early.
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Like I don't doubt DD2 pissed off people who wanted DD1+1, but the game is at 78% positive reviews instead of dead game territory. I mentioned this before, but I much prefer DD2's structure over DD1's. The FTLlite format works much better for me than the 60 hour grindfest that DD1 was.
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