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DarkCrawler posted:Starting from the Europeans! Off to try and launch a presidential bid on the basis of forcing the Pennsylvania Dutch to speak standard English.
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MrNemo posted:Off to try and launch a presidential bid on the basis of forcing the Pennsylvania Dutch to speak standard English. What're you grexing about? They're perfectly understandable so quit your brutzing.
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May 11, 2023 13:33
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Kestral posted:
Isn’t this really a generational issue too? At least from my limited life experience - the first generation comes here and moves to an insular community and then subsequent generations assimilate while also keeping some of the norms of the first generation?
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Pillowpants posted:Isn’t this really a generational issue too? At least from my limited life experience - the first generation comes here and moves to an insular community and then subsequent generations assimilate while also keeping some of the norms of the first generation? I'd love to hear about other long-lasting non-English conclaves.
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May 11, 2023 17:52
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Kestral posted:These enclaves do exist, although Trump assuredly meant this in the most racist way possible. I don't know about elsewhere, but the Bay Area has a sizable population of Chinese immigrants and even Chinese-Americans who speak little or no English. I've done business with them through interpreters and intermediaries, and a friend made his entire (quite lucrative) livelihood out of tutoring their kids - but only because he'd lived in China for several years and was fluent in the language, married a Chinese national, and had other folks in that community who would vouch for him. Trump was also talking about Chinatown in Washington, D.C. Which is incredibly funny because there are basically no Chinese immigrants there anymore and it is an area less than 4 square blocks large. It is a historic Chinatown, not an actual Chinatown. The main square of the Chinatown metro stop has a McDonald's, a Bed Bath and Beyond, a Starbucks, and an AT&T store. The Verizon center where the NBA plays is there. It is literally the worst possible example he could have picked of a place overrun by non-English speaking people. In the 2020 census, only 2% of the population was born outside of the U.S. and the area is very wealthy and white. They "honor the heritage" of the area by putting Chinese text underneath their advertisements: 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Trump was also talking about Chinatown in Washington, D.C. Which is incredibly funny because there are basically no Chinese immigrants there anymore and it is an area less than 4 square blocks large. It is a historic Chinatown, not an actual Chinatown. Having lived in DC. Chinatown there does at least have the largest collection of Chinese restaurants in the city. But yeah, I don't think there was much Chinese character beyond that.
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Pillowpants posted:Isn’t this really a generational issue too? At least from my limited life experience - the first generation comes here and moves to an insular community and then subsequent generations assimilate while also keeping some of the norms of the first generation? It really does depend on the area, as Arsenic Lupin says. The Chinese enclave I'm familiar with is fairly large as these things go, large enough to be reasonably self-sufficient in terms of not having to interact much with English speakers to get by, and they're quite insular. They have extensive contact with family back in China, and those folks slowly filter in as well (and sometimes go back, it flows both ways). It's been this way a long time, multiple generations, just quietly buying up property around the region and expanding the enclave. The wealthier families have a higher proportion of kids who speak English fluently, because they hire excellent tutors at astonishing rates, but you wouldn't necessarily call them culturally or linguistically assimilated. I went to college with someone from that enclave who could barely speak English despite being born here, but he was a huge guy just coasting on a sports scholarship so it basically didn't matter. It's actually become a bit of a security concern, because these folks are extraordinarily vulnerable to pressure from the CCP, who maintain a presence there along the lines of the "secret police stations" that keep getting uncovered. The degree to which they've isolated themselves linguistically and culturally, and their strong ties to family back in China, make them easy for the CCP to coerce. California also has an ongoing problem with Chinese intelligence programs, and it's no surprise that cultural/linguistic enclaves with a lot of rich, insular property owners in the Bay Area are an avenue of influence. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Trump was also talking about Chinatown in Washington, D.C. Which is incredibly funny because there are basically no Chinese immigrants there anymore and it is an area less than 4 square blocks large. It is a historic Chinatown, not an actual Chinatown. What I'm hearing here is that Trump doesn't know what a Chinatown is, in much the same way that he doesn't know what dogs are.
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He doesn’t know what dogs are? I’m not surprised, that’s just new to me/forgotten in the endless sea of dumb.
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Xiahou Dun posted:He doesn’t know what dogs are? Trump thinks the phrase "like a dog" means the same thing as "like a loser" or "very poorly." So, there are many many videos and tweets where he describes something as "like a dog" that a dog does not do or is not something unique to a dog. A small sample includes: - Choked like a dog. - Fired like a dog. - Polished shoes like a dog. - Dumped like a dog. - Scammed like a dog. - Danced like a dog. - Debate like a dog. - Ungrateful like a dog. - Cheated like a dog. - Spending money like a dog. - Lightweight like a dog. - Punched like a dog. - Cursed like a dog. And it became a meme that Trump does not know what a dog is. Edit: There was also an event where he was posing with police and they had a police dog. He pointed at the dog and said, "They call this a canine." Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 22:04 on May 11, 2023 |
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"Trembled and revealed its many maws opening into eternity as the eyes opened in the sky like a dog"
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
Probably the most factual statement he's ever made ... And it was about a dog... 
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Kestral, I was wondering if you were talking about the SF Chinatown. I had always been curious about whether people were diffusing out, or whether the enclave was retaining its linguistic isolation.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It depends. There are religious enclaves in New York State and New York City that only speak Yiddish and whose religious schools barely teach English, and Yiddish-speaking Jews have been around in the USA since the 1820s. However, they're a tiny fraction of New York Yiddish speakers in the 1920s. See also some of the Amish/Mennonite cloud of worshipers. I went to college in Lowell, Mass which is a majority southeast Asian city (split among Vietnamese and Cambodian populations mostly.) My closest friend from college is a second generation person. His parents know enough English to get by and were able to work but from what I’ve gathered is that they prefer he only interacts with his the kids of people they fled the Khmer rouge with. He’s gone as far as to reject the arranged marriage they wanted but he still lives at home at 40 because according to him - it’s what that generation expects.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
probably meant K9 to be fair
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Nitrousoxide posted:Having lived in DC. Chinatown there does at least have the largest collection of Chinese restaurants in the city. But yeah, I don't think there was much Chinese character beyond that. Historically, as in, into the 80s, DC Chinatown *did* have the city's biggest Chinese community. It was small compared to cities like New York, Seattle or San Francisco, but was legit. Then the combination of Metro and the MCI Arena really jumpstarted gentrification in the area and most of the Chinese-owned businesses cashed in and sold out. That's what gets you weird things like the Chinese signed Starbucks - the signage ordinance is a legacy from when there actually was a Chinese community in Chinatown. </dcnativedigression>
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Cross posting from teh RWM thread Hannity gave Trump a nice sweet on air blowjob about teh CNN town hall in the 45 seconds or so I subjected myself to it. Thing that stood out to me was that Sean was claiming that the moderator only wanted to talk about the past (1/6, election fraud claims) and never asked him what he would do as president in the future. Except she absolutely did, repeatedly, and Trump mostly refused to engage. She asked him: - How he would rule or how he would come down on a federal abortion ban (he'll look at it and do what's right) - How he would handle the border (take a wild guess) - What he would do about raising the debt limit (default) - How he hoped the Russia v Ukraine would play out (didn't answer, but claimed he could end it in 24 hours) - If he would accept a loss in a 2024 election (if he thought it was fair, so that's no) - If he would pardon Jan 6th criminals (yes) - About the verdict in the civil trial in NYC (he never met her) and if he would appeal (yes) Point being, he was asked a LOT of questions about the present and also what a future presidency might look like but, of course, Sean made it sound like the mean nasty woman from Fake News CNN only wanted to ask him about the past (again) and wouldn't let him speak. He
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Kestral, I was wondering if you were talking about the SF Chinatown. I had always been curious about whether people were diffusing out, or whether the enclave was retaining its linguistic isolation. My understanding is that it is, but it is aging and shrinking, but that is very much second hand.
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The problem with the "Trump is doing pro wrestling" analysis is that nobody gets to chokeslam him so he'll stop talking.
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Nitrousoxide posted:But yeah, I don't think there was much Chinese character beyond that. oh come on there's 7 in that one photo!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The problem with the "Trump is doing pro wrestling" analysis is that nobody gets to chokeslam him so he'll stop talking. You can chokeslam anybody once
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Judge is figuring out he has to treat Trump like a 4-year-old: Trump to get schooled on rules after district attorney worries he’ll use evidence to slam witnesses quote:Donald Trump was ordered Thursday to appear by video at a May 23 hearing in his Manhattan criminal case after a judge this week set rules barring him from using evidence in the case to attack witnesses.
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I’m pretty happy with him having sworn under oath that he understands minute details of the rules of the protective order before he ignores them. He’s just gonna lie and it’s really a question of if the order is going to have any teeth, so it doesn’t really matter. But I personally will be happier just cause it’s neater that way.
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What are the punishments for ignoring that and just making GBS threads out on to social media every bit of discovery that he wants to? I don't think there is any kind of punishment available without extralegal activities that will convince Trump he shouldn't do something he wants to do. I mostly wonder, in an academic sense, what consequences the courts will threaten him with that he will ignore and then never suffer because he has money.
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bird food bathtub posted:What are the punishments for ignoring that and just making GBS threads out on to social media every bit of discovery that he wants to? I don't think there is any kind of punishment available without extralegal activities that will convince Trump he shouldn't do something he wants to do. I mostly wonder, in an academic sense, what consequences the courts will threaten him with that he will ignore and then never suffer because he has money. Contempt of Court, generally, which can lead to additional fines and even jail time if the judge gets pissed enough.
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Oh no. Not being held in contempt of court. Trump has never shown the slightest bit of contempt for the court system. How terrible his punishment would be if he were held in contempt. I mean, they all know he'll violate that order the earliest chance he gets and face no repercussions for it, right?
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Deteriorata posted:Contempt of Court, generally, which can lead to additional fines and even jail time if the judge gets pissed enough. Ah, so money he doesn't care about and confinement that will never happen. Cool.
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I'm convinced Trump wants to be put behind bars for the photo op. "The most persecuted man in America, all because he drained the swamp and wants to continue fixing the government!" "A real outsider exposing the problems with our tyrannical Democratic oppressors!" "They'll do anything to stop this guy from tearing down broken institutions!" Not like they would even keep him overnight, either.
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There's not a judge around who would put a former President in jail for contempt. They'll fine him and if he doesn't pay...
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BDawg posted:There's not a judge around who would put a former President in jail for contempt. They'll fine him and if he doesn't pay... I would love the show cause hearing asking him what his total net worth is, so that they can create an appropriately persuasive penalty.
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"I have a quantum net worth that is simultaneously $10 billion and $1. By observing the net worth you are infringing on my first amendment right."
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https://www.businessinsider.com/manchin-mcconnell-election-push-2024-west-virginia-senate-race-2023-5 Joe Manchin is surprised and offended that Republicans aren't his friends. quote:Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in a recent CNN interview laid out how the GOP would attempt to retake control of the upper chamber next year, which includes his push to go "all out" in defeating Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, a centrist who has bucked some of President Joe Biden's priorities and is by far the most vulnerable Democratic incumbent eligible for reelection next year. E: Was in the wrong politics D&D Thread - apologies BDawg fucked around with this message at 20:53 on May 12, 2023 |
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"Joe Manchin surprised the leopards are trying to eat his face after siding with the "Face-Eating Leopards" party so often against his own party."
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A guy in 2023 just realizing that pushing his party right is not going to do him any favors with the GOP. We need a max limit on age in Congress of about 50 so that we can rid ourselves of anyone who still has lead poisoning in their brain. it's Kabuki theater anyway
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You mean Joe Manchin the far left leaning liberal from West Virginia I hear so much about on talk radio?
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yeah this is just bluster, ofc McConnell wants that seat to someone with an R next to their name, and Manchin's weird rear end state doesn't seem to be pushing him out any time soon
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Xand_Man posted:yeah this is just bluster, ofc McConnell wants that seat to someone with an R next to their name, and Manchin's weird rear end state doesn't seem to be pushing him out any time soon His margin was pretty thin in 2018, it's plausible he could lose in 2024. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 01:44 on May 13, 2023 |
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AFAIK Jim Justice is likely to run for Senator and he would completely blow out Manchin.
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Please discuss Manchin here.
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