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the loving nissan leaf starts at 28.5k msrp lol since there's no way to do chargers for people who don't have their own individual garage unit, you'd have to have the things everywhere, basically replace the pumps at gas stations with them. oh and have it only take a minute to refill like now.
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May 12, 2023 00:38
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:i've honestly become a lot happier once i realized that arguing about specific things like electric cars or renewable energy is completely meaningless as long as unchecked exponential growth exists and that capitalism not only lacks a mechanism to stop it, but requires it and naturally optimizes economic activity to maximize that exponential growth. i mean, i've kinda known that for a long time, but making it explicit has made things so much simpler since there's really only that one thing to focus on. it feels less overwhelming than having a multitude of issues all competing for attention ya obvi EVs are bad for changing the climate but even if we make every car an EV there will still be the exact same number of living humans by the year 2200 with even a modest 2% annual growth in energy consumption. so don't panic, we got this 
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May 12, 2023 00:44
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i run my car on clean natural whale oil
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May 12, 2023 00:48
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Trabisnikof posted:yeah even from a life cycle analysis perspective they're better in the US, coal power plants do at least want to make as much electricity from the coal they can, while ICE vehicles are constantly idling, revving hard, below optimal operating temp, etc. looking at this graph it is extremely funny to me that VW made a diesel polo in 2010 that got 80mpg sure, it was small and slow and poo poo but it would go 800 miles on a tank I remember it was like 15 grand at the time or something
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May 12, 2023 00:48
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Microplastics posted:
trabisnikof already did you the favor of correcting this bullshit, but I really have to highlight what an absolute fox news grandpa rear end thing to say this is. this is a nakedly republican/oil-co think tank talking point, seeded into the discourse via the usual right-wing noise machine, and here we have you uncritically regurgitating it in loving cspam. this poo poo should make you feel deeply ashamed. this should be a shining and clear enough example that your opinions are incredibly stupid on this topic and you are in no place to tell anyone what is and isn't pointless or effective. if you did this on a more personal/identity topic instead of the abstract one of climate/energy, like a trans issue or a race issue, your rear end would be banned. for some dumb reason this is the one thread in cspam where saying wildly ignorant ben shapiro talking point poo poo is borderline popular. its ok to be dumb, i'm dumb on most topics most of the time, but it makes you a giant rear end in a top hat to be dumb *and* loudmouthed know-it-all about something. I mean for fucks sake you just sat there and tried to do your own napkin math in away that very loving clearly demonstrates you've never put any real thought into the topic let alone bothered to read and learn from decent resources. you are wholesale ignorant and yet supremely confident, the worst mix-max. anyway reading this back i'm sorry its clearly at least 20% too harsh but gently caress man it just sucks so hard to have the theoretically leftist place with its theoretically above the bullshit climate thread stuffed to the gills with the dumbest poo poo sometimes. like what kills my hope the most is how even here there's so much wildly right-wing-misinformed poo poo. silicone thrills posted:I think this is the biggest thing people fail to grasp. It's not solving the problem. Its just less bad. the only people failing to grasp that are the ones that think "less bad" means "therefore no point".
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May 12, 2023 00:51
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if California actually goes through with the EV mandate they're going to have even more power grid failuresquote:As California rapidly boosts sales of electric cars and trucks over the next decade, the answer to a critical question remains uncertain: Will there be enough electricity to power them?
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May 12, 2023 00:53
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GREAT ANOTHER loving ONE no EVs will not crash the grid jesus tapdancing christ other headlines from that same author and site posted:
like how can you be this loving gullible to clickbait concern trolling in 2023 MightyBigMinus has issued a correction as of 01:01 on May 12, 2023 |
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May 12, 2023 00:54
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kaxman posted:looking at this graph it is extremely funny to me that VW made a diesel polo in 2010 that got 80mpg but didn’t they cheat with the pee reservoir?
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May 12, 2023 00:55
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MightyBigMinus posted:GREAT ANOTHER loving ONE there is probably a bible passage that says EVs are bad so we are covered any way you want to take this Edit: See quote:“Behold, he goes up like clouds, EVs are really fast. Some might say "like the whirlwind." Definitely swifter than an eagle. coincidence? Rectal Death Adept has issued a correction as of 01:02 on May 12, 2023 |
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May 12, 2023 00:56
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MightyBigMinus posted:wildly right-wing-misinformed poo poo. People like you are cute. Same people who got haughty about plastic recycling in the 90's. Good job, you sorted the bin. They lied to you and shipped it all to southeast asia, which in turn put it in the ocean or lit it on fire. We paid for the gas to make all that happen, so we could pretend we were making a difference. EV's are the same. All the data is out there, the net fuel costs to get one to your doorstep and drive 100k miles is not very different. Economy cars 20 years ago had better net benefit than current EV's do. It doesn't matter. We burn more poo poo every year, YoY, for every year we've been alive. None of our goals are meant to be acheived, and they fall woefully short of curtailing the mess we're actively making. EV's are just another placebo. A nice thought, but not saving the environment in the least unless you deal with the supply side of energy.
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May 12, 2023 01:01
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MightyBigMinus posted:trabisnikof already did you the favor of correcting this bullshit, Yes they did and I thank them for it As for the rest: 
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May 12, 2023 01:02
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MightyBigMinus posted:GREAT ANOTHER loving ONE Do you forget our power grid is fragmented poo poo? Texas (I understand it’s an isolated, even worse power grid) couldn’t even handle a few days of below freezing weather. California can’t handle a few days of 90+F heat.
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May 12, 2023 01:05
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MightyBigMinus posted:exactly. evs are not useless. evs can take ~4-5Gt/yr off the emissions rate. calling that useless is fundamentally not understanding the problem and choosing a false-dichotomy drama that fits the catatonic/learned-helplessness vibe. *summoning the spirit of deceased forums user Car Hater* gently caress you
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May 12, 2023 01:05
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because one thing is bad therefore there's no point to anything, i am a smart goon
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May 12, 2023 01:06
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the plastic bag my bread comes in is held shut with a cardboard clip my plastic wendys cup had a cardboard straw
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May 12, 2023 01:08
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MightyBigMinus posted:GREAT ANOTHER loving ONE did you even read the article? there are multiple experts saying the grid is already terrible and the state is taking way too long to expand capacity. quote:To provide enough electricity to meet total demand, California must: quote:Southern California Edison worries that if drivers charge during late summer afternoons, electric vehicles could strain the grid, said Brian Stonerock, the utility’s director of business planning and technology. Edison’s service area includes the desert, where customers rely on air conditioning, and their peak use times are when solar power is less available as the sun goes down.
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May 12, 2023 01:14
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Normally around this time of year, Alberta has had around 7,000 hectares of wildfires. This year, it's already at roughly 450,000 hectares.
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May 12, 2023 01:18
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err posted:Normally around this time of year, Alberta has had around 7,000 hectares of wildfires. This year, it's already at roughly 450,000 hectares. which ev should I buy in order to feel better about this fact
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May 12, 2023 01:21
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MightyBigMinus posted:because one thing is bad therefore there's no point to anything, i am a smart goon I dont think anyone here has said there's no point in anything, at least in a serious manner. There's a lot of dark humor and joking here because all of this is a lot to take in.
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May 12, 2023 01:46
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silicone thrills posted:I dont think anyone here has said there's no point in anything, at least in a serious manner. There's a lot of dark humor and joking here because all of this is a lot to take in. i was replying to the guy who quoted me and did exactly that (recycling is bs therefore "people like you" will fall for more bs like evs)
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May 12, 2023 01:47
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Griz posted:did you even read the article? there are multiple experts saying the grid is already terrible and the state is taking way too long to expand capacity. oh no, 85% in 22 years, how can we possibly handle this ... checks notes... 2.85%/yr transition... the sky is falling! just nonsense
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May 12, 2023 01:54
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Several things are true at once: - EVs are less bad than ICE - Being less bad is still better than being more bad - EVs are still very bad and not a panacea - EV adoption is still a giant shitshow for a variety of reasons (most people being renters, production, declining material conditions, needing to consume ever increasing amounts of energy, etc) - Climate is going to continue to get much worse even if everyone still drives EV and growth will continue - America is going to try to squeeze, coup, and mulch south america even more to bring the goods home to the imperial core - EVs are also technocratic slop to help make liberals feel good about consumerism, car culture, and clap their hands saying "i did my part" - America will only ever undergo transformation by forces of rapidly declining material conditions and decreasing amounts of cheap-energy rippling through the system
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May 12, 2023 01:57
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Xaris posted:Several things are true at once: thread title
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May 12, 2023 02:09
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silicone thrills posted:I dont think anyone here has said there's no point in anything, at least in a serious manner. There's a lot of dark humor and joking here because all of this is a lot to take in. lol cmon
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May 12, 2023 02:13
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Xaris posted:Several things are true at once: - the stagecoach is the ultimate form of sustainable transportation 
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May 12, 2023 02:19
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Hubbert posted:- the stagecoach is the ultimate form of sustainable transportation Rolling coal in my stagecoach
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May 12, 2023 02:20
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meltdown may in full effect
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May 12, 2023 02:21
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gently caress COREY PERRY posted:*summoning the spirit of deceased forums user Car Hater* gently caress you OOOOOoooOOOOOOooooo, what happened to all the [insects/birds/fish/posters]?  *Big Pimpin being played on pre-industrial instruments as I pull up and my chariot wheels keep spinning*
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May 12, 2023 02:32
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:i've honestly become a lot happier once i realized that arguing about specific things like electric cars or renewable energy is completely meaningless as long as unchecked exponential growth exists and that capitalism not only lacks a mechanism to stop it, but requires it and naturally optimizes economic activity to maximize that exponential growth. i mean, i've kinda known that for a long time, but making it explicit has made things so much simpler since there's really only that one thing to focus on. it feels less overwhelming than having a multitude of issues all competing for attention Yeah. Once you realize that the entire world system is owned by Capital and Capital requires infinite growth based on a foundation of cheap energy, basically everything else becomes meaningless noise. Rearrange the deck chairs any way you please - this baby is still going down! I recommend anyone with an Audible account check out Fossil Capital which is apparently free with subscription right now. It’s a little dry, but it lays out the history of the bond between fossil fuel and Capital pretty succinctly.
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May 12, 2023 02:47
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Hydrogen and EVs are both dumb cope poo poo to let consumers feel good about consuming new poo poo. Buying new poo poo is not going to solve a crisis caused by over consumption. It doesn't matter if it's 20% less bad than the poo poo you threw away, it's still loving bad.
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May 12, 2023 02:54
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lol hydrogen poo poo makes me so irritated. At least if you have to buy a new car because america is a hell scape, an EV is just like whatever if thats an affordable price range for you but hydrogen requires whole new fuel infrastructure that's somehow even dumber.
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May 12, 2023 02:56
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the one goon with a hydrogen car spent like 3-4 hours in line at the hydrogen pump recently lol
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May 12, 2023 03:08
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silicone thrills posted:lol hydrogen poo poo makes me so irritated. At least if you have to buy a new car because america is a hell scape, an EV is just like whatever if thats an affordable price range for you but hydrogen requires whole new fuel infrastructure that's somehow even dumber. I haven't looked at hydrogen poo poo for a few years, have they figured out how to store it without cryogenics or having it diffuse out through the high pressure tank walls?
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May 12, 2023 03:21
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Wakko posted:ya obvi EVs are bad for changing the climate but even if we make every car an EV there will still be the exact same number of living humans by the year 2200 with even a modest 2% annual growth in energy consumption. so don't panic, we got this you're talking about population. this sounds... dangerously malthusian. why do you want to genocide the third world?
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May 12, 2023 03:22
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Griz posted:I haven't looked at hydrogen poo poo for a few years, have they figured out how to store it without cryogenics or having it diffuse out through the high pressure tank walls? they switched to Thermos brand tanks
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May 12, 2023 03:30
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love 2 do a 2000s energy alternatives speed run at least we're not re-doing the biofuels debate all over again, just straight to hydrogen
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May 12, 2023 03:30
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Trabisnikof posted:the one goon with a hydrogen car spent like 3-4 hours in line at the hydrogen pump recently lol Once I learned how hydrogen fueling stations work I realized it was never, ever going to be adopted as a fuel source. It is the most asinine thing ever.
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May 12, 2023 03:34
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How about a straight up sincere condescending talk down explaining how the markets and world powers function and why, concluding with That's how adults discuss this stuff is what I'm hearing.
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May 12, 2023 03:34
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Hubbert posted:love 2 do a 2000s energy alternatives speed run biofuels own, i can get to and from work on a single ear of corn (peeled)
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May 12, 2023 03:35
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Xaris posted:Several things are true at once:
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