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Shockeh posted:Oh sure - That's a worthwhile conversation on 'How powerful should an Exotic be?' Stompees/Wormhusk being S+ forever because they affect basic FPS mechanics is either a statement that they shouldn't, because you simply can't balance that, or any conditional effect that doesn't do that (and the list is very long here, let's use Bombardiers as an example) needs to be much better. Both things can be true. Also the factor of which sandbox you're playing in. In PvE stompees are a non issue. Like, no one runs them. In PvP they're a nightmare. In an ideal world and exotic would be usable and appealing in both, but that's Very Hard(TM) to do. I think in general Bungie has wanted to step back from movement based exotics, because they are so hard to balance. However those exotics are already in the game. What choice do they have outside "attempt something resembling balance" or "leave it alone, gently caress it" or "nuke it from the game"? It's an old decision that has bitten them ever since. Also Bombardiers need a buff, please see my previous posts on how to make them great again, thank you.
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acumen posted:For warlocks at least it's more of a case that there isn't anything better. Again why nerf the one thing people actually use instead of making other exotics more useable? because oftentimes the other options are perfectly usable as they are
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wasn't there a bit a while back when people were using omnioculus' damage resist to good effect on hunter? not saying they should go back to exactly that, since i remember people being apocalyptically mad about it in this thread, but there obviously are exotic effects good enough to compete with stompees or wormhusk
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Omni’s damage reduction was insanely strong. People had trouble seeing you and you took less damage. It wasn’t so bad in 6s but it was absurd in Trials.
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I think Bungie also puts some thought into stuff like, "What stuff really sucks to play against???" when they pick their nerfs. Omni-oculus probably never surpassed Stompees in usage, but it sure was annoying as hell to have invincible, invisible trios come storming right at you!
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they also consider build investment. for example, do you get an absurdly massive power spike/consistent baseline power boost from a single exotic with almost no playstyle adjustment? then maybe it's time to nerf it
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acumen posted:For warlocks at least it's more of a case that there isn't anything better. Again why nerf the one thing people actually use instead of making other exotics more useable? Even with the melee range decrease I can't see that changing Ophidian's position on there much. Because it goes against the very essence of the bungie balance pass. Why bring other things in line with the 'problem' item, when they can instead grind that item into the dirt under their heel?
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I think Bungie also puts some thought into stuff like, "What stuff really sucks to play against???" when they pick their nerfs. Omni-oculus probably never surpassed Stompees in usage, but it sure was annoying as hell to have invincible, invisible trios come storming right at you! Yeah like are bows op? No Is blinting a miserable degenerate playstyle? Yes So nerf to the one exotic bow armour
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Mazerunner posted:Yeah like are bows op? No the be fair the one exotic bow armor enabled that miserable degenerate playstyle, especially paired with wishender's wallhacks at full draw what oathkeeper needs is a rework, not a nerf. it's always going to be a problem as long as blinting is in vogue, and blinting is going to remain in vogue no matter what
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Didn’t they already counter blinting by adding a delay when switching weapons immediately after firing a bow?
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haveblue posted:Didn’t they already counter blinting by adding a delay when switching weapons immediately after firing a bow? whatever they did it wasn't enough since i got punked by blintbow last time i was in crucible
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I was so excited for the supposed Oathkeeper rework and then they announced it and I went "oh". I don't even want to hold the charge that long, I just thought it'd be great for champs and stuff to hold for five seconds. I know people like Athrys' Embrace a lot already and I'm sure adding Str boost is great, but I got disappointed in that when the original rumour was "precisions recharge melee". That sounded like it'd be hella fun. I still really want them to merge similar exotics. As in, Caliban's Hand and Athrys' Embrace both enhance solar knives. You can only have one type of knife at a time. So, I really want them to just add the effects to one of them, and rework the other into something new. Also rework some dead exotics lol. And while we're at it, seriously, just rework what Underdog does. I didn't care it was a dead perk except (older) weapons still drop with it so that's just an irritant. I'm also being really picky. Stompees got what was coming to it.
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I wanna know how the Oathkeeper's 'Window' overlaps with Lemon. That's the main question. (It's not going to, is it)
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Shockeh posted:E: The most damning item on there is Stompees/Wormhusk - Two Y1 Exotics, and it shows that they've made SO MANY SINCE, and none of them are reliable/consistent/good (delete to taste) enough to surmount basic +movement or +health. In general that list is dominated by Year 1 exotics, with most of the rest from Forsaken. Red War (7): Synthoceps, Dunemarchers, Peacekeepers, YAS, Stompees, Starfire, Transversive CoO (1): Ophidian Warmind (2): Wormhusk, Armamentarium Forsaken (4): OEM, Antaeus, Oathkeeper, 6th Coyote Everything Since (2): Peregrine, Osmiomancy
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Slot 1 weapons are more fun than slot two weapons. Slot 2 has more subclass synergies but they aren't as enjoyable. Fight me.
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syntaxfunction posted:Slot 1 weapons are more fun than slot two weapons. Slot 2 has more subclass synergies but they aren't as enjoyable. Fight me. counterpoint: the fighting lion i win
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Glad to see my ACD/0 Feedback Fence playstyle is safe.
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I hope they make the shotty exotic viable enough to idk like 3-4 tap a champ on GM. that'd tickle me but i guess it'd be ok if it was just viable in the mid game space. Excited to try the thunder punch exotic too, I just recently got that off a vex thing. Both of the changes sound really good and fun
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I wish Duality had some solar synergy, I love the look of that gun.
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4X-6X damage increase on the lightning strikes sounds like it'll bring it close to where it was when season 18 started and it was so busted they disabled it
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Both TWABs were poo poo lmao Additional lol that Apotheosis Veil continues to be whatever the gently caress trash it still is
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PathAsc posted:Both TWABs were poo poo lmao Even they forgot it existed Mesadoram posted:I wish Duality had some solar synergy, I love the look of that gun. This is another forgotten exotic tbh I haven’t thought about this one since the season it came out
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to be fair they also released a dungeon called "duality" which has been much more important
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They also released a Marathon Infinity map named Duality, but that was, uh, some time ago Double Aught never released their Duality, though 
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Bungie has some words that they really like to reuse Leviathan Harmony Surge
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Preview from next week's TWAB: Legendary Masters now spawn in Legend mode dungeons and Master mode nightfalls. Master legends spawn in legendary lost sectors, but only in master difficulty. Legendary tier loot from these legendary masters and master legends have bugged masterworks that will be fixed next season.
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Edit: Nevermind my bad, it's just a teaser.
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I’m fairly sure it’s next season and this season was the one being developed when they began implementing that criticism and tweaked that formula to make it a bit less tedious
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Bungie has some words that they really like to reuse Retribution
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Bungie has some words that they really like to reuse paracausal
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did exactly one defiant battlegrounds and got 7 seasonal challenges done. good system.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Bungie has some words that they really like to reuse RADIAL MAST
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Kith posted:did exactly one defiant battlegrounds and got 7 seasonal challenges done. good system. Yeah, the seasonal challenges have been good this season. My partner is finishing the season pass (she's at 70 something) and the challenges are just rocketing her along which is great. The fact that so many can be knocked out together has been so nice.
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Went flawless second try last night, really got into the groove quick for once. Too bad my shotgun rolls have been rear end so far.
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This game is cool and all, but I'm so loving sick of being pushed off edges by enemies.
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smallmouth posted:This game is cool and all, but I'm so loving sick of being pushed off edges by enemies.
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If you weren’t constantly surrounded by a bottomless void what would that brick of heavy ammo that finally dropped have to disappear into?
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