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That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Cowslips Warren posted:

as much as the cat people in Avatar creep me out with the uncanny valley poo poo, the water shots are loving amazing. why isn't the new Little Mermaid the same? why is her grotto so grimy looking, like exxon did an oopsie nearby?
Avatar 2 CG is subtly incredible the way its 3D was for the first one, and the water is a big part of that. There is a two-fer video on Corridor crew where they obsess over a single shot of the protagonist tying his hands to the barracuda-like mount's harness, trying to figure out what is real and what is not and how they composited it. Almost everything in the scene is CG, including the water, but it's so realistic in its simulation that they aren't sure until they get to talk with the person responsible for the shot.

While Disney has all the money in the world, it takes a)even more than that and b)an insane amount of time to get to the point A2 has. The movie is utter schlock, unfortunately.

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Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




That Italian Guy posted:

Avatar 2 CG is subtly incredible the way its 3D was for the first one, and the water is a big part of that. There is a two-fer video on Corridor crew where they obsess over a single shot of the protagonist tying his hands to the barracuda-like mount's harness, trying to figure out what is real and what is not and how they composited it. Almost everything in the scene is CG, including the water, but it's so realistic in its simulation that they aren't sure until they get to talk with the person responsible for the shot.

While Disney has all the money in the world, it takes a)even more than that and b)an insane amount of time to get to the point A2 has. The movie is utter schlock, unfortunately.
Also, Disney doesn't care because they know people are going to watch it anyway.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

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Mr. Grapes! posted:

Jurassic Park

So, we have the DNA cartoon that explains the creation of dinosaurs to visitors of Jurassic Park. We've got a ride with some slick animation and jokes and stuff. It is assumed that when Jurassic Park opens that all the visitors will ride on this.

Is John Hammond, CEO of Jurassic Park, really gonna loving stand there for each and every pack of tourists? Is this the plan for when Jurassic Park opens? They spent a lot of time and money on that ride and it requires John Hammond to stand there and converse with himself. Is a billionaire old man really gonna be the Jungle Cruise tour guide?

I guess I imagined the video was more for late-stage investors before the park fully opened.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Mr. Grapes! posted:

Jurassic Park

So, we have the DNA cartoon that explains the creation of dinosaurs to visitors of Jurassic Park. We've got a ride with some slick animation and jokes and stuff. It is assumed that when Jurassic Park opens that all the visitors will ride on this.

Is John Hammond, CEO of Jurassic Park, really gonna loving stand there for each and every pack of tourists? Is this the plan for when Jurassic Park opens? They spent a lot of time and money on that ride and it requires John Hammond to stand there and converse with himself. Is a billionaire old man really gonna be the Jungle Cruise tour guide?

It's almost as if there's an underlying theme in the movie of developers being too short-sighted to consider the ramifications of what they are doing besides from 'this looks cool, how can we monetize it?'

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
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and you are
OBSOLETE

Illegal Hen
Jurassic World kinda sorta addresses the issue of Hammond explaining things to the guests by using Jimmy Fallon instead. :v:

Honestly that's what I figured would've happened when the park officially was opened to the public.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
There were three of those, huh

Zero_Grade
Mar 18, 2004

Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

On the topic of Jurassic Park, the first time I saw The Lost World I did not at all expect that the last act would involve a T-Rex rampaging around San Diego. Younger me was all :tviv: because well, who saw that coming and also it was like a kid's dino fantasy dream come to life. Not so much Irrationally Irritating and more Wildly Unexpected I suppose.

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
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and you are
OBSOLETE

Illegal Hen

Zero_Grade posted:

On the topic of Jurassic Park, the first time I saw The Lost World I did not at all expect that the last act would involve a T-Rex rampaging around San Diego. Younger me was all :tviv: because well, who saw that coming and also it was like a kid's dino fantasy dream come to life. Not so much Irrationally Irritating and more Wildly Unexpected I suppose.

In true IIMM fashion, I hated that the T-Rex rampage thru San Diego happened at night. Also the crowd running away in terror down the street felt very b-movie. Have the rampage happen in broad daylight and have the entire city in a panic, Stevie!

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Mr. Grapes! posted:

Jurassic Park

So, we have the DNA cartoon that explains the creation of dinosaurs to visitors of Jurassic Park. We've got a ride with some slick animation and jokes and stuff. It is assumed that when Jurassic Park opens that all the visitors will ride on this.

Is John Hammond, CEO of Jurassic Park, really gonna loving stand there for each and every pack of tourists? Is this the plan for when Jurassic Park opens? They spent a lot of time and money on that ride and it requires John Hammond to stand there and converse with himself. Is a billionaire old man really gonna be the Jungle Cruise tour guide?

He lives in a giant cloning facility, doesn't he? New Johns Hammond! Using frog DNA to patch the missing bits, of course.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

Android Apocalypse posted:

In true IIMM fashion, I hated that the T-Rex rampage thru San Diego happened at night. Also the crowd running away in terror down the street felt very b-movie. Have the rampage happen in broad daylight and have the entire city in a panic, Stevie!

Gotta keep in mind we're talking about 1997 here. Spielberg was doing groundbreaking stuff with the dino special effects but they still needed a bit of help and broad daylight wouldn't have been kind to them.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Yeah, a year later Godzilla took place entirely at night and/or in the rain for the same reason.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Yeah, a year later Godzilla took place entirely at night and/or in the rain for the same reason.

And 20 years later was still doing that.

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
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and you are
OBSOLETE

Illegal Hen

Basebf555 posted:

Gotta keep in mind we're talking about 1997 here. Spielberg was doing groundbreaking stuff with the dino special effects but they still needed a bit of help and broad daylight wouldn't have been kind to them.

Here's another movie that came out in 1997 & a chunk of it happened in broad daylight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtE3ue3hBhE
Fact is the SFX crew is the same one that did the original Jurassic Park, and also had Phil Tippett on too.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Android Apocalypse posted:

Here's another movie that came out in 1997 & a chunk of it happened in broad daylight:
Fact is the SFX crew is the same one that did the original Jurassic Park, and also had Phil Tippett on too.

Yeah Starship troopers effects were pretty amazing. Still hold up really well. Does show it was possible, but yeah just a hell of a lot harder.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
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Mu Zeta posted:

He spared no expense

i bet he paid himself a salary for doing that intro

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
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agreed, the starship troopers effects hold up amazingly well. there were still worse effects in movies from the 2010s

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Carthag Tuek posted:

agreed, the starship troopers effects hold up amazingly well. there were still worse effects in movies from the 2010s

Look no further than "all the starship troopers sequels" for effects done worse :v:

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Of course it was possible to do the San Diego scene in daylight, it just wouldn't have looked nearly as good. As good as the effects in Starship Troopers are, and I love that movie, the T-Rex scenes in Lost World look a lot better(the trailer attack scene is another example). And that's with the design differences taken into account, i.e. the fact that Tippet purposely gave the bugs a simple sleek design so that they could actually pull off the effects shots the movie called for.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
I've started watching Deep Space 9 after only seeing random clips as far as I remember, but something that kind of bugs me about the franchise as a whole is how holodecks became the everything, since they seem like a HUGE step down when it comes to flexibility. Certainly it's more ~immersive~, but in a holodeck you are just... you. The only abilities that you have are those you have IRL and that seems very limiting, especially when interacting with other species that might have very different capabilities. Replacing movies, I can understand, but ALL media? Traditional videogames are way more interesting theoretically (as far as media made by humans), especially dealing with other species (as long as they can interface with the controller, and custom controllers can be a thing) because they are more of an equaliser. A Klingon wrestling a Ferengi on a holodeck is a foregone conclusion for the most part outside of very specific situations or circumstances, but any pair of people can play, say, street fighter, and have an equal chance of winning or losing, because they can only do as much harm as the character is programmed to, and characters can only act according to the speed the buttons can be pressed combined with the speed the animation completes at. An alien may be able to fly IRL, but in a platformer they can only jump as far as their character - it's adding limitations to play in an engaging way. Certainly gambling tables and some electronic board games show up, but only a couple of types.

Admiralty Flag
Jun 7, 2007

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

BioEnchanted posted:

I've started watching Deep Space 9 after only seeing random clips as far as I remember, but something that kind of bugs me about the franchise as a whole is how holodecks became the everything, since they seem like a HUGE step down when it comes to flexibility. Certainly it's more ~immersive~, but in a holodeck you are just... you. The only abilities that you have are those you have IRL and that seems very limiting, especially when interacting with other species that might have very different capabilities. Replacing movies, I can understand, but ALL media? Traditional videogames are way more interesting theoretically (as far as media made by humans), especially dealing with other species (as long as they can interface with the controller, and custom controllers can be a thing) because they are more of an equaliser. A Klingon wrestling a Ferengi on a holodeck is a foregone conclusion for the most part outside of very specific situations or circumstances, but any pair of people can play, say, street fighter, and have an equal chance of winning or losing, because they can only do as much harm as the character is programmed to, and characters can only act according to the speed the buttons can be pressed combined with the speed the animation completes at. An alien may be able to fly IRL, but in a platformer they can only jump as far as their character - it's adding limitations to play in an engaging way. Certainly gambling tables and some electronic board games show up, but only a couple of types.

I can't think of any specific examples of this in the show, but who's to say you couldn't program a holodeck to give you an experience like parkour assassin? (Run and jump to the next roof, the holodeck holds you in midair with a tractor beam while moving you to the roof, blowing air at you all the way, and you land gracefully, pulling holographic knives from a bandolier and hurling them at computer-generated targets, which all are hit head-on, naturally.) Or a superhero simulator?

Actually, don't tell me that the underlying 007-based program that showed up in "Our Man Bashir" had 'realistic pistol accuracy' as the default setting -- unless you cranked it up to realistic hit detection, while running the real program in the holosuite, pointing your holopistol in the general direction of a nameless mook and firing would certainly have resulted in a Wilhelm scream and a plunge off a catwalk.

PvP melee combat would be a little more difficult to fudge but it could be done to some degree with weak tractor beams (hindering the stronger/faster combatant), holograms, and dodgy hit detection all favoring the weaker combatant.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Arrath posted:

Look no further than "all the starship troopers sequels" for effects done worse :v:

:hmmyes:

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Nothing can stop me from using the holodeck to just go to a room with a working free MVC2 arcade machine with no broken buttons.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


theironjef posted:

Nothing can stop me from using the holodeck to just go to a room with a working free MVC2 arcade machine with no broken buttons.

"Computer, one average movie theater without a sticky floor."

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Pope Corky the IX posted:

They were known and feared members of a gang so they felt comfortable enough doing something so public. Remember that the employees refused to testify and the two guys at the bar were talked out of testifying.

OK, but being known gang members might call even more attention to them, no? They were arrested in pretty short order. So quick that we're not even shown them being taken into custody and we skip straight ahead to the mob guy and Dustin Hoffman's alcoholic lawyer drumming up a scheme to expose the reform school.

I kind of chalk it up to dead end rage and neither of them giving much of a gently caress what happens to them as long as Kevin Bacon suffers and gets his. But if they wait around, follow him home and find for a safer place to make their move, they can take their time, torture him (which they probably wanted to given the way they shoot him) and dispose of him with no witnesses at ALL. Gang members or not, they're more than a little bit knowledgeable of the hard realities of incarceration and I doubt they'd want to go back to that.

It just seemed really impulsive. Which makes sense on some level but seeing as they're written as hardened experienced criminals and obviously streetwise now, I'd think they'd want to avoid jail at any cost and try to avoid being seen at all if they could.

It's a minor nitpick and works either way really.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Star trek in general, probably owing to the time it was produced, has a weird mix of high tech stuff combined with everyone being unspeakably twee in their hobbies. I assume because that's part of the vision, everyone is just very wholesome and folksy in the things they enjoy and being able to do that is part of the dream of it being the post scarcity future.

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




I love that until the Federation arrived at DS9, it didn’t occur to anyone the hollodecks could be used for anything but sex.

Is that young Mr Sisco heading towards the hollodeck?
It’s not what you think.
It better not be!

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



in the rodrigues alita, hugo buys her a chocolate. its huge. its gotta be 500 grams at least. assuming its not made from bugs (which i would be ok with btw, future food producers), the logistics of growing enough cocoa trees to make the chocolate you can press it into massive solid bars that are still cheap enough to sell in street markets. if it was a black market, i would be ok with it,

Tall Tale Teller
May 20, 2003
Grave? Shovel! Let's go.

Android Apocalypse posted:

Also the crowd running away in terror down the street felt very b-movie. Have the rampage happen in broad daylight and have the entire city in a panic, Stevie!

That was absolutely the point. They're all Asian. It's a godzilla homage.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Henchman of Santa posted:

And 20 years later was still doing that.

I can forgive this (and Pacific Rim) to the extent that it makes the plasma blasts/atomic breath look super cool. Also, Godzilla vs. Kong had some amazing daylight fights. My irrationally irritating movie moment is the plot of Godzilla vs. Kong, and I think that's irrational because they weren't going to be remaking Shin Godzilla. Heck, anything coherent after Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2018?) was a victory in my book.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer

bitterandtwisted posted:

I love that until the Federation arrived at DS9, it didn’t occur to anyone the hollodecks could be used for anything but sex.

Is that young Mr Sisco heading towards the hollodeck?
It’s not what you think.
It better not be!

I dunno man. Riker seems like he'd have a few hundred thousand programs buried in a partition somewhere.

Besides, Data had to learn his multiple techniques somewhere...

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



please do not run riker.exe on data.dat

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

I dunno man. Riker seems like he'd have a few hundred thousand programs buried in a partition somewhere.

Besides, Data had to learn his multiple techniques somewhere...

Riker is not the sort of guy who buries his porn in nested subdirectories called "taxes" and "misc", he's the kind of guy who tells all his friends about the latest hologirl/guy he banged. Geordi, that's a guy with stuff he keeps on removable storage he keeps in the bottom of a desk drawer..

Capital Letdown
Oct 5, 2006
i still cant fix red text avs someone tell me the bbcode for that im an admin and dont know this lmao
Geordi went incel a bunch and fell in love with a holodeck girlfriend! And then later yelled at the real woman it was modeled off of because she didn't like him like the holo version did lmao

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Capital Letdown posted:

Geordi went incel a bunch and fell in love with a holodeck girlfriend! And then later yelled at the real woman it was modeled off of because she didn't like him like the holo version did lmao

Yeah and that's the stuff he has public, imagine the grim stuff he keeps hidden.

Cool Kids Club Soda
Aug 20, 2010
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Fil5000 posted:

Riker is not the sort of guy who buries his porn in nested subdirectories called "taxes" and "misc", he's the kind of guy who tells all his friends about the latest hologirl/guy he banged. Geordi, that's a guy with stuff he keeps on removable storage he keeps in the bottom of a desk drawer..

O'Brien keeps his in the transporter buffer

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
Mom was watching some cowboy show, and I caught part where a woman is running from a dude trying to rape her. She has on a long flowing shirt top that he's able to grab and throw her down. She grabs a rock, beats him once, then gets up and keeps running with the same loving shirt on. NO. NO. You got the fucker on the ground, you keep beating his head with the rock! And if you're going to run, take off the loving thing he can use to grab onto you with!

One of the amazing early parts of The Walking Dead showed why Carol had short hair; it was so her abusive loving husband couldn't grab onto her hair and use that for leverage.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Cowslips Warren posted:

Mom was watching some cowboy show, and I caught part where a woman is running from a dude trying to rape her. She has on a long flowing shirt top that he's able to grab and throw her down. She grabs a rock, beats him once, then gets up and keeps running with the same loving shirt on. NO. NO. You got the fucker on the ground, you keep beating his head with the rock! And if you're going to run, take off the loving thing he can use to grab onto you with!

One of the amazing early parts of The Walking Dead showed why Carol had short hair; it was so her abusive loving husband couldn't grab onto her hair and use that for leverage.

I wonder which Taylor Sheridan show it was.

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

Guardians 3 was by amd large solid, but wow did it have one of the worst transitions I've ever seen. No need for spoiler blocking because the beats are obvious.

The gang gets back together, then they're suddenly doing the next thing without so much as a wipe fade. It was incredibly jarring, there wasn't even a quip!

It's like someone in the editing was like "eh this quip sucks, let's pick a better one" and then never got around to it. It felt like they'd switched to the next reel a few seconds too early, which isn't a thing any more!

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Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Who flourish in your pri-ime
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Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme




This one has to be taken in the context of the film and not the source material - I realize that the film has... issues.

In the Disney Pocahontas, the song Colors Of The Wind makes very little sense in the context of the film. The song is lecturing John Smith about looking at the land as a treasure in and of itself, not just what you can plunder from it, but he hasn't given her anything to support that. Indeed, his portion of the hero-villain duet is all about the Governor being in it for the gold, but Smith wanting nothing more than adventure in this vast new land. Or, in other words, the version of the character we see in the film already knows the lesson she's trying to teach him.

It almost feels like they were going for a less heroic start with a deeper redemption plot.

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credburn
Jun 22, 2016
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Gnoman posted:

This one has to be taken in the context of the film and not the source material - I realize that the film has... issues.

In the Disney Pocahontas, the song Colors Of The Wind makes very little sense in the context of the film. The song is lecturing John Smith about looking at the land as a treasure in and of itself, not just what you can plunder from it, but he hasn't given her anything to support that. Indeed, his portion of the hero-villain duet is all about the Governor being in it for the gold, but Smith wanting nothing more than adventure in this vast new land. Or, in other words, the version of the character we see in the film already knows the lesson she's trying to teach him.

It almost feels like they were going for a less heroic start with a deeper redemption plot.

Ahh I felt exactly the same way! I saw the film for the first time with my ex a couple years ago and I thought I'd missed a scene

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