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alvarez and co decided during their retro reviews that bartlett actually ruled. he did a vince impersonation for a full episode and showed up to one recording in an elvis costume, neither of which were done with any permission. he was clearly an awful fit for wrestling but doing the hackiest poo poo imaginable in search of a laugh is a better viewing experience than sincerely engaging with a friar ferguson match or whatever
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May 10, 2023 23:48
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El Generico posted:I'll say, I don't think anyone on the screen has done more damage to more wrestling over time than Michael Cole. Lots of people have been much worse, but Michael Cole makes every match he calls worse, and he's called more matches than almost anyone at this point, so the damage is incalculable. Not a rhetorical question: Do you think there's anybody that WWE would have put in lead commentary where the outcome wouldn't be just as bad or worse? If so, who?
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little munchkin posted:alvarez and co decided during their retro reviews that bartlett actually ruled. he did a vince impersonation for a full episode and showed up to one recording in an elvis costume, neither of which were done with any permission. I will say the McMahon impression made me laugh once or twice which is better than Madden ever did, apart from the time he had to apologize because he mistakenly said that Bruno Sammartino was dead.
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May 11, 2023 01:08
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Not a rhetorical question: Do you think there's anybody that WWE would have put in lead commentary where the outcome wouldn't be just as bad or worse? If so, who? Only someone like JR who was tenured enough (and old enough) to be okay with either telling Vince to gently caress off or just ignore him all together. Foley only lasted a few weeks on commentary IIRC because he hated the way Vince treated him. Problem is, with WWE being the only game in town for so long there was never going to be another JR who could come in and do their own thing.
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May 11, 2023 02:20
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Will Cole start doing his own thing when Vince dies? I assume he'll still be barking orders from the Gorilla position even after the company is sold.
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May 11, 2023 02:43
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Will Cole start doing his own thing when Vince dies? I assume he'll still be barking orders from the Gorilla position even after the company is sold. I assume micromanagement will still happen. Especially if it's HHH.
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May 11, 2023 02:45
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Will Cole start doing his own thing when Vince dies? I assume he'll still be barking orders from the Gorilla position even after the company is sold. I only saw bits and pieces of WWE while Vince was out but commentary felt downright calm and human at times which it has never felt under Vince. I think it will get better when he’s gone for good.
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May 11, 2023 02:51
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Ganso Bomb posted:Only someone like JR who was tenured enough (and old enough) to be okay with either telling Vince to gently caress off or just ignore him all together. Foley only lasted a few weeks on commentary IIRC because he hated the way Vince treated him. Problem is, with WWE being the only game in town for so long there was never going to be another JR who could come in and do their own thing. And aside from bringing in somebody new who with any experience with wrestling could they have gotten?
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Dawgstar posted:And aside from bringing in somebody new who with any experience with wrestling could they have gotten?
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May 11, 2023 03:03
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Michael Cole does not have a good announcer voice to me. His voice is too high but not high enough, if that makes sense?
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May 11, 2023 03:39
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Is there a good documentary or youtube series on catch wrestling, (both the history and/or modern era)? I'm really interested in it and how it evolved into pro wrestling. Is catch wrestling still done today? I can't even figure out if catch wrestling is scripted or not. My understand is its origins aren't but maybe it is nowadays? Or is catch wrestling still done as a legit sport and pro wrestling branched off and became its own thing? Kvlt! fucked around with this message at 04:54 on May 11, 2023 |
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May 11, 2023 04:49
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Kvlt! posted:Is there a good documentary or youtube series on catch wrestling, (both the history and/or modern era)? I'm really interested in it and how it evolved into pro wrestling. Is catch wrestling still done today? By the time catch wrestling was the pre-dominant style in pro wrestling, pro wrestling was almost entirely worked. Catch wrestling was taught as a legitimate skill and they were legitimate shooters, but the matches were worked. Today it is taught as a martial art and there are some catch wrestling tournaments here and there.
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May 11, 2023 05:14
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the thing is a lot of catch wrestlers are super weird about "true" catch wrestling and lineages and stuff. ime they're the weirdest marital artists when it comes to that kind of thing. Like, there are people who just search social media for people posting about catch wrestling to be reply guys correcting anything about catch wrestling lineages. That said, dudes like Billy Robinson and Sakuraba were legit as gently caress.
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I can't believe we had the Worst Commentary debate and nobody brought up JBL
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He's too embroiled in the "worst champions" debate to make an appearance
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Maxwell Lord posted:I can't believe we had the Worst Commentary debate and nobody brought up JBL On the night that Sandow dressed up as Magneto to harass Hugh Jackman, JBL got annoyed and shouted that Sandow needed to go back to Asteroid M. That was such a random and out of nowhere and shocking reference that I honestly can't put JBL at the bottom of my list. Anyway Corey Graves sucks and that long stretch where he was trying to fit a Mean Girls reference into every single episode of Raw was awful.
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May 11, 2023 06:48
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I remember when people were calling Graves the next Bobby Heenan lol
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Will Cole start doing his own thing when Vince dies? I assume he'll still be barking orders from the Gorilla position even after the company is sold. 
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Not a rhetorical question: Do you think there's anybody that WWE would have put in lead commentary where the outcome wouldn't be just as bad or worse? If so, who? Someone from elsewhere in combat sports like Mauro or Goldberg.
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Kvlt! posted:Is there a good documentary or youtube series on catch wrestling, (both the history and/or modern era)? I'm really interested in it and how it evolved into pro wrestling. Is catch wrestling still done today? Interestingly, I can't find any evidence of any pro wrestling in Iceland. All of the shows I can find that have taken place there were from outside promotions.
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May 11, 2023 09:50
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Bartlett did a bit on the first episode of Raw where he did an impression of Mike Tyson calling from prison after his rape conviction and would refer to any fat person as Oprah Winfrey. Madden would regularly complain about internet recapper CRZ on a nationally televised show in between Jay & Silent Bob catchphrases.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Will Cole start doing his own thing when Vince dies? I assume he'll still be barking orders from the Gorilla position even after the company is sold. Probably not, to be honest. Too many of WWE's weekly operations are set up to produce something Vince would like. After all, the times Cole was good are also separated from the usual weekly Raw production and so on. Compare him commentating the Mae Young Classic to his work during the months Vince wasn't part of the company. Sure, he was better than usual during that half of 2022, but he still wasn't good because he still had to be the Smackdown commentator.
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Penguin Patrol posted:everyone mentioned previously is bad, but Pat McAfee and Hiroshi Arai are straight up unlistenable Hiroshi at least tells us names of obscure moves once in a while but all the other times he has trouble letting anything go and is sooooooo slow and he cuts people off! Please just rehire Mr. Haku, I'm begging you DDT
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I like Pat McAfee because he seems like he doesn't show up for meetings, because he's always like who's that? usually like me. He doesn't care about wrestling history but pops for sick moves, and loves Rick Boogz. Also that time he showed up via private Vince jet to join Cole/Graves for some show, and Graves was visibly pissed and seemed like he hated he was taking his lovely spotlight away the whole night. I'm sure football fans hate him for his bro podcast and schick and worthless takes, but stupid sells to stupid, and there's more stupid than not. If he ever goes to AEW though, that drug floor, is gonna be a giant pyramid of coke in the new EgyptIan Pyramid room where they combine their coke stash
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I also like pat mcafee because he seems like he genuinely likes what hes watching and is expressing his child like wonder to the audience.Which for my money is a million times better than the usual wwe commentary of "Catch phrase! Whatamaneuver! Over explain unnessicary things! Plug!"
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I don’t think they’re anywhere near the worst of all time, but I’m really not enjoying Coleman and McGuinness on the ROH show. Riccaboni is good though. Am I right in thinking people really hated Taz as a commentator once upon a time? He’s so so good these days, but I’m sure that wasn’t the case in his Smackdown/TNA days (which is hardly surprising) Answers Me fucked around with this message at 18:41 on May 11, 2023 |
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Answers Me posted:Am I right in thinking people really hated Taz as a commentator once upon a time? He’s so so good these days, but I’m sure that wasn’t the case in his Smackdown/TNA days (which is hardly surprising) I think it's a combination of maturing as a commentator and actually watching a good product that he gives a gently caress about.
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Answers Me posted:I don’t think they’re anywhere near the worst of all time, but I’m really not enjoying Coleman and McGuinness on the ROH show. Riccaboni is good though. He started off with people really liking him on Smackdown and then hating him by the end, and was funny when he started in TNA and quickly not giving a poo poo. That's what I assume happened in WWE.
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Answers Me posted:I don’t think they’re anywhere near the worst of all time, but I’m really not enjoying Coleman and McGuinness on the ROH show. Riccaboni is good though. I liked Caprice and Ian, not sure about the vibe with Nigel.
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May 11, 2023 19:19
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Ian's generally pretty solid, although I honestly think his nerdy reference stuff is even more cringey than Striker or Mauro could be, even if it's less often.
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Defenestrategy posted:I also like pat mcafee because he seems like he genuinely likes what hes watching and is expressing his child like wonder to the audience.Which for my money is a million times better than the usual wwe commentary of "Catch phrase! Whatamaneuver! Over explain unnessicary things! Plug!" I used to listen to Bob and Tom on the way to work and he was a frequent guest and seemed alright. Had no idea he was just doing WWE stuff or how that even happened.
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Answers Me posted:I don’t think they’re anywhere near the worst of all time, but I’m really not enjoying Coleman and McGuinness on the ROH show. Riccaboni is good though. I didn't care for Caprice Coleman at first, but he really grew on me.
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Caprice and Ian are a great team but I don't like it as much with Nigel.
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What was the first athletic commission to ban blading? Was there a specific incident that caused athletic commissions to step in in regard to blading?
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Mark Madden was the worst commentator ever on national TV with Striker as a not so distant second. Madden was straight audio poison, it was unbearable. I've done live streaming commentary but never TV. The main thing the other commentators and I always focused on was getting the wrestlers and match over while keeping things flowing and balanced. You don't want to be super serious all the time, but you can't be using it as practice time for your standup routine. You don't have to call every move, it's more about going up or down in intensity to match the flow of the action. I was always told as a commentator your job is to help and guide the viewer to understand the story being told. You shouldn't try to tell the story or focus on getting yourself over. You get over as a commentator by getting the match over and leaving the viewer with a positive experience.
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There are also commentators that are good but I just don't like listening to them. Mark Pickering on NOAH English commentary sounds like he's tightening his lips to a pinhole aperture and trying to force the words through one at a time. It's the most stilted sounding speech I've ever heard, which is bizarre because I've heard him talk normally and he doesn't sound like that. Maybe it's on-air anxiety or something.
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Bonk posted:There are also commentators that are good but I just don't like listening to them. I think he stinks and sounds annoying. And is a bad person. Might change my vote to Mark Pickle Rick.
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