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Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Mr. Funny Pants posted:

I wish news outlets would take the extra time to find out what the likely sentence will be rather than always going for the sensational maximum sentence. He's not going to do 20 loving years. Call up an attorney, have them look at the schedule and get a realistic range.

That would cost both money as in time and money as in money

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CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

hobbesmaster posted:

Reddit was getting anywhere from 12 months to 36 months out of the guidelines.

Based on the article it seems like the facts are: he conspired to break the law for money, broke the law, was approached by investigators, lied to them, then attempted to destroy the exact evidence the investigators were asking about.

Seems like this case could easily face stricter sentencing if those things are all true.

Wombot
Sep 11, 2001

azflyboy posted:

That's basically what the airport does, but Alaska refuses to admit that Seattle is terrible at being an airport, so they'll set up all kinds of deicing stuff and attempt to run a normal schedule into an airport that's effectively closed.

Last year, that lead to a PA running in the Alaska gates that summarizes as "If you live anywhere near Seattle, just give up and go home, since we don't have any open seats for at least three days".

I got got by the early season snowstorm that hit Seattle in Oct 2017 - I'd landed in LAX around 7am from Melbourne, Australia, enroute to SEA. I availed myself of the Alaska lounge where I promptly passed out. I woke up to utter carnage - SEA was effectively shut down due to a freak snowstorm and pretty much every flight to SEA was cancelled because the deicing contractor hadn't trained staff or bought equipment and, y'know, deicing fluid yet. The lounge was a lock-in, if we left we lost our seats. We ended up stuck in that lounge for longer than the flight from MEL-LAX, like 18 hours or something stupid.

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Mr. Funny Pants posted:

I wish news outlets would take the extra time to find out what the likely sentence will be rather than always going for the sensational maximum sentence. He's not going to do 20 loving years. Call up an attorney, have them look at the schedule and get a realistic range.

wishing a clickbait mill would incur billable hours rather than be sensationalist is like wishing for the tide to not come in

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005

Wombot posted:

I got got by the early season snowstorm that hit Seattle in Oct 2017 - I'd landed in LAX around 7am from Melbourne, Australia, enroute to SEA. I availed myself of the Alaska lounge where I promptly passed out. I woke up to utter carnage - SEA was effectively shut down due to a freak snowstorm and pretty much every flight to SEA was cancelled because the deicing contractor hadn't trained staff or bought equipment and, y'know, deicing fluid yet. The lounge was a lock-in, if we left we lost our seats. We ended up stuck in that lounge for longer than the flight from MEL-LAX, like 18 hours or something stupid.

Alaska does something very similar to that every year, and every single time it's followed by a "Here's what we learned from this colossal fuckup!" sent out to employees a week or so later, when we all know that they'll completely fall apart the first time it snows nexr year.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

azflyboy posted:

Alaska does something very similar to that every year, and every single time it's followed by a "Here's what we learned from this colossal fuckup!" sent out to employees a week or so later, when we all know that they'll completely fall apart the first time it snows nexr year.
Every time we fly into/out of the US we basically do it for free because they'll gently caress up *something*, delay us a couple hours and run afoul of EU regs (where we get our tix) then have to pay us back. It's happened thrice now and it's really funny.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

evil_bunnY posted:

Every time we fly into/out of the US we basically do it for free because they'll gently caress up *something*, delay us a couple hours and run afoul of EU regs (where we get our tix) then have to pay us back. It's happened thrice now and it's really funny.

US airlines raced to the bottom so hard they’re barely airlines anymore. Whenever I book tickets now, my Google calendar is just loving awash in flight change notifications for the entire intervening period until the day of the flight. They all view the “regularly scheduled air carrier” part of Part 121 more as a guideline than as a rule, and are operating with next to no system flexibility. If something happens to your scheduled airplane, crew, or if the weather moves in, you’re probably hosed with no recourse. I’ve been told “There are ATC delays” on a route that departs through my own airspace. Call work, “hey uhhh, are we showing any delays off Lauderdale or into Dallas?” loving course not. The thing is, the airline is liable to reimburse passengers for a broken tail or a sick crew member. They’re not liable for a nebulous “ATC delay.”

:911:

Super jealous of Aussie and EU customer protection regulation generally, but particularly when it comes to the airline industry. What a loving joke of an industry.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


MrYenko posted:

US airlines raced to the bottom so hard they’re barely airlines anymore. Whenever I book tickets now, my Google calendar is just loving awash in flight change notifications for the entire intervening period until the day of the flight. They all view the “regularly scheduled air carrier” part of Part 121 more as a guideline than as a rule, and are operating with next to no system flexibility. If something happens to your scheduled airplane, crew, or if the weather moves in, you’re probably hosed with no recourse. I’ve been told “There are ATC delays” on a route that departs through my own airspace. Call work, “hey uhhh, are we showing any delays off Lauderdale or into Dallas?” loving course not. The thing is, the airline is liable to reimburse passengers for a broken tail or a sick crew member. They’re not liable for a nebulous “ATC delay.”

:911:

Super jealous of Aussie and EU customer protection regulation generally, but particularly when it comes to the airline industry. What a loving joke of an industry.

Sure is great having companys that are accountable for their actions. Sort of.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
I hate how media report the maximum possible sentence, which will never be levied, with a casual “he faces up to 20 years in prison” and no discussion of what he’ll likely get. He’s not going to do anywhere near 20 years, but I wouldn’t mind if he did.

mustard_tiger
Nov 8, 2010
Didn't he plead guilty to the obstruction charge because there was a real chance of him being charged with terrorism or something for intentionally crashing an airplane?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

MrYenko posted:

Super jealous of Aussie and EU customer protection regulation generally, but particularly when it comes to the airline industry. What a loving joke of an industry.

Rainman tried to warn us back in the 80s.

"Wanna fly Qantas. Definitely, definitely wanna fly Qantas."

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

OMGVBFLOL posted:

wishing a clickbait mill would incur billable hours rather than be sensationalist is like wishing for the tide to not come in

I agree that it's a lost cause to get journalists to do any sort of journalism beyond reading Twitter, but lol @ describing The Guardian as a clickbait mill.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Sagebrush posted:

I agree that it's a lost cause to get journalists to do any sort of journalism beyond reading Twitter, but lol @ describing The Guardian as a clickbait mill.

Honestly, a lot of the formerly respectable MSM outlets are mostly writing clickbait stories now, why not the Guardian?

NASA is ending the prohibition of supersonic flights over land:

https://www.airguide.info/nasa-is-to-end-the-50-year-ban-on-supersonic-flights-over-land-in-the-us/

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Nebakenezzer posted:

Honestly, a lot of the formerly respectable MSM outlets are mostly writing clickbait stories now, why not the Guardian?

NASA is ending the prohibition of supersonic flights over land:

https://www.airguide.info/nasa-is-to-end-the-50-year-ban-on-supersonic-flights-over-land-in-the-us/

YES rattle my windows! :getin:

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Nebakenezzer posted:

Honestly, a lot of the formerly respectable MSM outlets are mostly writing clickbait stories now, why not the Guardian?

NASA is ending the prohibition of supersonic flights over land:

https://www.airguide.info/nasa-is-to-end-the-50-year-ban-on-supersonic-flights-over-land-in-the-us/

Well, I guess the market just opened up for supersonic bizjets for ultra-wealthy assholes.

Can't wait for all the Santa Monica to Jackson Hole flights, with their claiming bragging rights for getting there a second quicker than anyone else.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

eh, for it just signifies that they are very comfortable that concord won't cut US airplane company grass now.

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

there's also a broader restriction that applies to military aircraft over US land too, isn't there? 30,000ft is a number kicking around in my head for some reason.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

For the military anything supersonic will either be within their own ranges (ie Nellis) or “operational” (ie, F-15s scrambled from Portland because a ramper stole a Q400 in Seattle)

hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 03:28 on May 13, 2023

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Operational necessity outside of dedicated supersonic-authorized training ranges is all pretty strictly defined. I'm blanking on the document title, but years ago I had to be passingly familiar with it.

But basically unless poo poo is actually happening, military aircraft have to follow the same rules as everyone else outside their ranges, when the ranges are active.

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001

OMGVBFLOL posted:

wishing a clickbait mill would incur billable hours rather than be sensationalist is like wishing for the tide to not come in

It's not just clickbait sites, it's the big boys too.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

https://markosun.wordpress.com/category/aviation/

The best model airport in the world is in Hamburg

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Nebakenezzer posted:

https://markosun.wordpress.com/category/aviation/

The best model airport in the world is in Hamburg

Germany: proudly home to the best model airport, and arguably the most historically dysfunctional actual airport.

MisterOblivious
Mar 17, 2010

by sebmojo

Nebakenezzer posted:

https://markosun.wordpress.com/category/aviation/

The best model airport in the world is in Hamburg

That place is insane.

There are just shy of 400,000 photos of it on google maps

https://www.google.com/maps/place/M...s%2Fm%2F03cxk63

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYY3cN40gu0

meltie
Nov 9, 2003

Not a sodding fridge.

MisterOblivious posted:

That place is insane.

There are just shy of 400,000 photos of it on google maps

https://www.google.com/maps/place/M...s%2Fm%2F03cxk63

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYY3cN40gu0

It is incredible. I love it there and try and stop for an hour or so whenever I am travelling through that part of Germany.

They do behind-the-scenes tours too :getin:

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

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MisterOblivious posted:

That place is insane.

There are just shy of 400,000 photos of it on google maps

https://www.google.com/maps/place/M...s%2Fm%2F03cxk63

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYY3cN40gu0

James may checks this place out on his old toy show and then races the creators on a separate episode.


Just flew from Frankfurt to DIA on a BRAND NEW 787 w lufthansa. First of all I never realized how many 747-400s they operate. Frankfurt was lousy with them. And the 787 is a super nice jet to fly on even in economy class.

Preoptopus fucked around with this message at 13:05 on May 14, 2023

Beef Of Ages
Jan 11, 2003

Your dumb is leaking.

Preoptopus posted:

Just flew from Frankfurt to DIA on a BRAND NEW 787 w lufthansa. First of all I never realized how many 747-400s they operate. Frankfurt was lousy with them. And the 787 is a super nice jet to fly on even in economy class.

Lufty definitely still has some 747-400 birds in service but my guess is you were seeing members of the 747-8 fleet as well.

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

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Beef Of Ages posted:

Lufty definitely still has some 747-400 birds in service but my guess is you were seeing members of the 747-8 fleet as well.

Fair play. I managed to snag a pic of this one getting some food stuffed in her.
Bonus a380

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
That's a 747-8i. You can tell the difference by the longer upper deck.

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

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BIG HEADLINE posted:

That's a 747-8i. You can tell the difference by the longer upper deck.

:shrug:

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
i believe mr headline was making a joke about the big forehead plane

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



I actually think the 380 looks normal now. It's jumbo that has a big honky nose and close-set eyes

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'

BIG HEADLINE posted:

That's a 747-8i. You can tell the difference by the longer upper deck.

747-MAX

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

i believe mr headline was making a joke about the big forehead plane

Nope, it's just been so damned long since I've seen a passenger -400 that I hosed up on the ID.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 16:17 on May 14, 2023

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

This one has the autopilot invert the bird before nose diving into the ground.

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

the kid in me is still bummed that the a380 wasn't much of a success. i want to see big chungus ocean liners in the sky. imo the airliner variant of the C-5 being cancelled was the point where human progress stalled and began its long regressive slide into ignorance superstition and fascism

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
The hilarious part of the A380 saga is that Boeing, when it decided not to develop a new plane to compete, correctly predicted what the ultimate demand would be for the A380 (Boeing guessed 330, it peaked at 331 orders before Emirates bailed in 2019)

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

Yes Boeing, famously forward looking when it comes to what it's customers and their customers want in a new airplane

KodiakRS
Jul 11, 2012

:stonk:

Arson Daily posted:

Yes Boeing, famously forward looking when it comes to what it's customers and their customers want in a new airplane

Airlines want the cheapest airplanes to buy and fly, customers want the cheapest tickets. So Boeing now makes cheapest crap they can.

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Arson Daily posted:

Yes Boeing, famously forward looking when it comes to what it's customers and their customers want in a new airplane

they did correctly predict this particular thing though

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MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Arson Daily posted:

Yes Boeing, famously forward looking when it comes to what it's customers and their customers want in a new airplane

Ya, that’s right on target for modern Boeing. It’s the “famously looking forward to make sure their airplanes don’t have glaring systems integration issues that directly result in hull-loss accidents” part that they dropped the ball on.

A very strong argument can be made that Southwest Airlines is one of the largest contributing factors to the 737 Max debacle.

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