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Gnoman posted:This one has to be taken in the context of the film and not the source material - I realize that the film has... issues.
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Gnoman posted:This one has to be taken in the context of the film and not the source material - I realize that the film has... issues. Can't have John be as evil as the others or the redemption rings hollow, can't sing Colors of the Wind to the governor.
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May 14, 2023 11:29
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OwlFancier posted:Star trek in general, probably owing to the time it was produced, has a weird mix of high tech stuff combined with everyone being unspeakably twee in their hobbies. I assume because that's part of the vision, everyone is just very wholesome and folksy in the things they enjoy and being able to do that is part of the dream of it being the post scarcity future. Speaking of the time in which it was made, remember TNG and DS9 are in the 80s and 90s, even assuming the writers are nerd enough to be into video games, they're firmly in the 8-bit to 16-bit eras at the times of writing. The idea of virtual reality that the holodeck represents is far removed from anything in reality to compare it with, and the writers probably wisely don't even try. There are some interesting aspects where holodeck simulations come off more today as... almost like indie video games, or at least like swapping Mario Maker levels, where while there's mass-market and off-the-shelf stuff a lot of it is put together by hobbyists and shared with friends. Maybe even more like computer-assisted roleplaying. Speaking of, Vic Fontaine is interesting since his self-awareness, amusingly, actually functions as a safety feature that lets him interact with the world outside the holodeck, and identify holo-addiction and even turn himself off if necessary. The kinda thing the holodeck could probably use more of, given cases like Moriarty and Dr Chaotica.
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My wife likes dumb action movies so we watched Equilibrium. What a honkin' turd of a movie. It's The Giver + The Matrix + V for Vendetta + Ayn Rand's Anthem. The premise is that people take drugs to suppress all feeling/emotion. So why do people have spouses? Isn't that just asking for trouble? Doesn't that mean they have sex? Wouldn't a dystopian government like this just grow babies in labs and raise them in communal homes? Despite "not having feelings," the characters constantly show anger, distrust, skepticism, paranoia, jealousy, pride, etc. Christian Bale being able to do Matrix-level gun-fu despite being a simple human was dumb dumb dumb. I don't care how much training you have, it's stupid. Hey, we're gonna take away your weapons, but we didn't notice you have government-issue gun holsters in your sleeves (said massive Desert Eagle-esque guns somehow are not noticeable on camera either) Sean Bean is only in like 5 minutes of the movie (but appropriately, dies) A lady is arrested for *gasp* having feelings. We see a ton of people just get executed point-blank, but she gets a special ceremony, scheduled for days later, where they dress her in a ceremonial robe and slowly feed her to an incinerator. Seems like a lot of pageantry for a society without emotion. Lol, the incinerator is in an underground facility, but once you close the furnace doors, you can't stop the process because the "incinerator turbines will explode right under the city." What? What?! The incinerator is the size of a closet but requires "turbines" that are apt to explode and take out the city if you change your mind about having the fire turn on? And you're doing this WHY instead of just shooting people like you do a hundred times per day? In a world where any and all art/entertainment is outlawed, all the contraband rooms only contain "high art" like paintings, sculpture, classic literature, etc. But the reality is that if all of that stuff was outlawed, the items with great volume would be the most common to still exist and also not need missed. The contraband rooms would be filled with Underarmor shirts, old Barbie dolls, broken CD cases, Disney merchandise, Coca Cola bottles, etc. Instead, this one city has literal museums worth of priceless art hidden behind drywall. On that note, in the beginning they find a painting of the Mona Lisa and do a special analysis to determine that it's the "real" one, then burn it. But who cares? Real or not, they'd burn it. They also mention that a special team comes in to destroy all these artifacts, but also sometimes they just burn them on the spot, but sometimes they "miss" things so it's not that weird to just take one item on your own to dispose of? Wouldn't a world like this have daily drug tests to make sure you're taking your The action pieces were so, SO stupid. I can't express it enough. Wow, this movie sucked.
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May 14, 2023 14:44
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Counterpoint: Equilibrium is, in fact, good because it is the right kind of stupid.
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Counterpoint: Also the hypocrisy and doomed nature of the system is the point and Equilibrium is a much smarter movie than most people think
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May 14, 2023 15:01
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Yeah I get the vibe it's basically meant to be Prohibition and about as effective. The point is the villains have stupid, ineffective plans which still cause tons of damage and death and also inevitably lead to their downfall.
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May 14, 2023 15:14
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VROOM VROOM posted:
No, it's not very smart at all and that "message" is not exactly clever or subtle.
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May 14, 2023 15:17
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Wait for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIzj7FtU85k
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Eclipse12 posted:My wife likes dumb action movies so we watched Equilibrium. Yo, my dude(tte), I think you might be applying a level of criticism to the flick that is way too serious for what is a really just a cheese-sandwich action vehicle for early-middle career Christian Bale where they ram Fahrenheit 451, the Matrix, and Brave New World together. Alternatively, apply the same type of critique to Happy Gilmore, cuz that'll be fuckin' hilarious. Edit: Rascar Capac posted:Counterpoint: Equilibrium is, in fact, good because it is the right kind of stupid. 
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Eclipse12 posted:No, it's not very smart at all and that "message" is not exactly clever or subtle. Pls quote my whole post if you are going to reply, I don't want to be misunderstood (full transparency I didn't realize we weren't in CineD)
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I feel like all of the inconsistencies in equilibrium work fine because the the point of the movie is that the government and the society don't actually work. So it makes perfect sense that the emotion suppressing drugs don't actually suppress all emotions, that emotions which are useful to the perpetuation of the power of the state are excluded from the concept, that the rules are not enforced consistently, and that there is nonsensical obsession with symbolic actions that are ultimately counterproductive. Which is portrayed ultimately by the fact that at the end of the movie the guys at the top are all not taking the drugs and still can do the magic gun kung fu which is the only thing their government can be said to have produced. The control mechanisms do not produce a better society and the people in charge of that society know it, they're purely about controlling the majority of people through terror and disruption. Because all of that is the nature of real life fascist governments, it being so loving stupid adds to the wrongness of it all, the system doesn't just not work, it doesn't even make sense if you think about it for five minutes, but yet still it persists and fucks up everybody's lives in the process. There's plenty of real life stuff that works that way, so it doesn't, to me, make a huge amount of sense to expect a movie to portray a fictional oppressive regime as somehow actually consistent and sensible when the point of the movie is that they're the bad guys because the nature of what they are is hosed up and stupid. Intentional or not I think it would be weird if the movie were written such that the bad guys were consistent and coherent enough that the audience might get the idea "well it's wrong that they do this stuff but you can't deny that it works" because that undermines the fundamental point. It's wrong that they do it and also it's stupid and doesn't work, much like real life. Your fascist bad guys don't have to have a point. OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 15:55 on May 14, 2023 |
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Eclipse12 posted:My wife likes dumb action movies so we watched Equilibrium. What? No. It's Brave New World + Fahrenheit 451 + 1984 + gun magic and it is one of the shiniest turds ever to be put on a screen.
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May 14, 2023 15:51
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Subtlety is for novels. Cinema should be big, crass, and stupid.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Subtlety is for novels. I wonder how starship troopers fits into that, because it's very much those things but it plays it straight enough that apparently its point is too subtle for some people 
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Alas, I tried looking online for a mashup version of this scene and Christian Bale's rant from Terminator: Salvation but came up empty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0auwpvAU2YA
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May 14, 2023 16:33
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Equilibrium also has the quintessential Sean Bean role. Just distills what he does for a movie down to its purest elements: shows up, adds gravitas, immediately gets killed.
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May 14, 2023 16:58
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Gnoman posted:This one has to be taken in the context of the film and not the source material - I realize that the film has... issues.  The governor and Smith wants different things from the land, but that doesn't make Smith altruistic.
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Grendels Dad posted:Can't have John be as evil as the others or the redemption rings hollow, can't sing Colors of the Wind to the governor. I hated the song Savages even though it's got a good beat, because the natives are loving RIGHT and to show them as bad as the English invaders is loving dumb. The English literally showed up and started taking poo poo, shot at members of the tribe, killed at least one if not more, but bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe. NO they loving are not! The English literally started everything, and Kocoum attacked Smith, yes, but that was after some of the tribe had already been attacked, and he had no way of knowing Smith wasn't going to kill her too.
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It’s always the English Or the goddamn Bulgarians
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Didn't realize I was kicking a hornet nest by besmirching Equilibrium 😅
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Cowslips Warren posted:I hated the song Savages even though it's got a good beat, because the natives are loving RIGHT and to show them as bad as the English invaders is loving dumb. The English literally showed up and started taking poo poo, shot at members of the tribe, killed at least one if not more, but bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe. NO they loving are not! The English literally started everything, and Kocoum attacked Smith, yes, but that was after some of the tribe had already been attacked, and he had no way of knowing Smith wasn't going to kill her too. Pocahontas is bad movie for a lot of reasons
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Eclipse12 posted:Didn't realize I was kicking a hornet nest by besmirching Equilibrium 😅 It's a silly, dumb, dumb movie that gave us the gift of gun fu and Taye Diggs' face being sliced off. The same director also did Ultraviolet, which is not nearly as enjoyable in its schlocky-ness
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There are boring bad movies and there are entertaining bad movies, and Equilibrium is as deep in the latter category as possible.
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I like the weeble magazines that he has that are specifically designed for chucking into the middle of a room so you can flip onto them to reload your guns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4weEXyoXZKs Honestly the whole finale of the movie is very good, and the gun-slap-fight they have at the end is fun too. OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 18:57 on May 14, 2023 |
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Cool Kids Club Soda posted:The same director also did Ultraviolet, which is not nearly as enjoyable in its schlocky-ness
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Ultraviolet is basically IIMM the movie. The biggest being that the movie completely drops the ball on explaining why being a vampire is a bad thing. As is it seems like you get superpowers for no trade off.
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Milla Jovovich is a good action lead and I'd have rather she got to do her thing in Ultraviolet sequels rather than a million Resident Evils
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Milla Jovovich has been in exactly one decent action movie. Wait wait, I kind of liked The Messenger but god that opening scene is so unecessary
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muscles like this! posted:Ultraviolet is basically IIMM the movie. The biggest being that the movie completely drops the ball on explaining why being a vampire is a bad thing. As is it seems like you get superpowers for no trade off. Like maybe it's not bad being a vampire, but it's bad to be a vampire what with the food supply being what it is
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Carthag Tuek posted:in the rodrigues alita, hugo buys her a chocolate. its huge. its gotta be 500 grams at least. assuming its not made from bugs (which i would be ok with btw, future food producers), the logistics of growing enough cocoa trees to make the chocolate you can press it into massive solid bars that are still cheap enough to sell in street markets. if it was a black market, i would be ok with it, Clearly, it was a black chocolate market.
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FFT posted:Weren't they factory farming humans? That seems kinda bad. I don't think they ever even consume blood in the movie, but it's been a minute. I do remember her vaguely implying she has a limited life span left, but it didn't seem to go anywhere. It even more confusing since it seems pretty far into the future, but the flashbacks are extremely like 80s or 90s with the outfits and so on. And the bad guy was a like an early 20s kid in them? It's a real bad movie.
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re: factory farming humans for blood I may be remembering Blade Trinity or something
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OwlFancier posted:I like the weeble magazines that he has that are specifically designed for chucking into the middle of a room so you can flip onto them to reload your guns. Bad Guy’s Giant Head on Screen: What’re you gonna do, kill all my guys, cut off my henchman’s face and murder me? Christian Bale: *kills all his guys, cuts off his henchman’s face and murders him*
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It's. Called. Gun. Kata.
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I would of called it Shooty Shooty, punch kick. But whatever.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Pocahontas is bad movie for a lot of reasons It's almost like it was written, directed and produced by a bunch of clueless old men.
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FFT posted:re: factory farming humans for blood I may be remembering Blade Trinity or something See now this is a BAD BAD movie, not a redeemingly entertaining bad movie like Equilibrium. gently caress. I wish I could forget watching blade 3.
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The stories that came out of Blade 3 filming do make it kinda worth it. Apparently Wesley Snipes would communicate only through post-it-notes and signed each one Blade.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8rCtzKA9tQFFT posted:re: factory farming humans for blood I may be remembering Blade Trinity or something Or Daybreakers from 2009 with Ethan Hawke and Willem Dafoe.
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