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Pretty compelling arguments on this page and I've carefully weighed all the data I have available to me If I had to choose between Dak or Hurts, I'd choose Daniel Jones
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May 18, 2023 17:42
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I thought this was nfc east QBs only
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May 18, 2023 18:10
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What even is a passing stat? Mph at release ? Height of pass above the ground ? Revolutions of the ball per minute ?
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May 18, 2023 18:11
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May 18, 2023 18:14
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Imagine having Daniel Jones as your starting QB and not even being close to having the worst QB in the division thanks to Washington
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May 18, 2023 19:01
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Nodoze posted:Imagine having Daniel Jones as your starting QB and not even being close to having the worst QB in the division thanks to Washington Seriously, breathe deep Giants fans
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May 18, 2023 19:15
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Nodoze posted:Imagine having Daniel Jones as your starting QB and not even being close to having the worst QB in the division thanks to Washington I mean the one collective thing Eagles, Cowboys, and Giants could agree on for most of the past decade whenever our teams were poo poo was "at least we aren't Washington"
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May 18, 2023 20:19
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Febreeze posted:I mean the one collective thing Eagles, Cowboys, and Giants could agree on for most of the past decade whenever our teams were poo poo was "at least we aren't Washington"
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May 18, 2023 20:20
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Just one decade? Washington has had like maybe 6 seasons of good QB play in the last 30~ years.
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May 18, 2023 20:25
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Hurts over Dak is silly when we've seen so little of Hurts (and enough of Dak to know he's a good-to-very-good QB). I think Hurts has the talent, leadership, and work ethic to establish himself as inarguably better, but saying he's already there is a bit much.
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May 18, 2023 20:44
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he literally just led his team to the super bowl
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May 18, 2023 20:45
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Yeah I'm pretty god drat comfortable saying Hurts has a much much higher ceiling than Dak even if he just laid wet farts for the next 3 years while Dak continues to burn out in the playoffs.
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May 18, 2023 20:52
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So long as Hurts does not injure himself I see no reason he can't continue to succeed. If his arm gets even better then good fuckin luck. On the other hand, lmao at betting on a mobile QB not injuring themselves out of greatness.
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May 18, 2023 21:02
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:he literally just led his team to the super bowl instead of making a point about one year wonder QBs generally, just look at the Eagles' starting QBs since McNabb, particularly Vick's 2010, Foles' 2013, and Wentz's 2017. they all looked fantastic, top 3-5 qb seasons, and Foles and Wentz were early in their careers. then they all fell off significantly and never approached that peak again. I think you gotta have two good seasons in a row before you can be ranked above someone who's proven a high level of consistency since they were drafted
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May 18, 2023 21:03
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Toaster Beef posted:Hurts over Dak is silly when we've seen so little of Hurts I swear to god this is a loving meme at this point lol
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May 18, 2023 21:04
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:he literally just led his team to the super bowl Carson Wentz was having basically the same season in 2017 before getting hurt and look at what happened to him. Hurts could very well be the best QB in the division but we still have a small sample size to look at on a stacked team that's coached well. Dak on the other hand has had a lot of years under his belt to get a good idea of who he is. I'd probably take Hurts over Dak right now but mostly on higher potential and youth, but we haven't seen how he does under more adverse conditions.
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May 18, 2023 21:11
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Hurts has the higher proven ceiling and is younger and more athletic It’s not even close
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May 18, 2023 23:37
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The Dave posted:Yeah I'm pretty god drat comfortable saying Hurts has a much much higher ceiling than Dak even if he just laid wet farts for the next 3 years while Dak continues to burn out in the playoffs. This feels very reasonable. Hurts is only getting better.
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May 18, 2023 23:43
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Dak is a fine QB and certainly good enough to win a Super Bowl, even though he hasn't. I just think Jalen can do more overall and that his ceiling is higher. Don't give me this bullshit about Jalen having all these weapons either when Prescott has had more than enough top tier talent and support many seasons.
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May 19, 2023 01:53
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That's not exactly bullshit that Jalen has a veritable super team around him
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May 19, 2023 01:55
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fartknocker posted:Washington has had like maybe 6 seasons of good QB play in the last 30~ years. Lmao and we still couldn’t sign Kirk Cousins cause that would’ve meant Danny Boy would’ve had to admit that Shanahan was right in drafting him after RG3.
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May 19, 2023 02:42
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https://twitter.com/AP_NFL/status/1659307757990731777?s=20 gently caress, gonna drag this out all summer. https://wtop.com/washington-commanders/2023/05/nfl-confirms-no-commanders-sale-vote-will-take-place-at-spring-owners-meetings-next-week/
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May 19, 2023 12:42
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Cartoon Man posted:https://twitter.com/AP_NFL/status/1659307757990731777?s=20 You'd think they would want to get Snyder out literally ASAP
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May 19, 2023 12:50
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Has there been any talk about a new stadium in DC? I hear nothing but horrible things all the way down about the current one. From parking, to the food, access, the pricing, the sight lines and the sewage. Not to mention the product on the field.
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May 19, 2023 13:09
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BiggerBoat posted:Has there been any talk about a new stadium in DC? I hear nothing but horrible things all the way down about the current one. From parking, to the food, access, the pricing, the sight lines and the sewage. Not to mention the product on the field. DC is now back on the table but there’s still a lot of challenges, red tape, and coordination between the team, DC City Council, and the federal government to make it happen. https://wtop.com/washington-commanders/2023/05/commanders-working-to-help-dc-get-control-of-rfk-site/ Honestly? Virginia is back to looking like the front runner again. With Snyder gone, they’re now likely to offer up the most cash to get it.
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May 19, 2023 13:29
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Nodoze posted:Imagine having Daniel Jones as your starting QB and not even being close to having the worst QB in the division thanks to Washington This doesn’t even sting at all Snyder sold the team la la la Snyder sold the team boomshakalaka unf!
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May 19, 2023 16:03
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Cartoon Man posted:https://twitter.com/AP_NFL/status/1659307757990731777?s=20 Drag it out I don’t care it’s gonna happen now I can just edge even longer unf so good so goddamn good
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May 19, 2023 16:08
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Toaster Beef posted:Hurts over Dak is silly when we've seen so little of Hurts (and enough of Dak to know he's a good-to-very-good QB). I think Hurts has the talent, leadership, and work ethic to establish himself as inarguably better, but saying he's already there is a bit much. indigi posted:instead of making a point about one year wonder QBs generally, just look at the Eagles' starting QBs since McNabb, particularly Vick's 2010, Foles' 2013, and Wentz's 2017. they all looked fantastic, top 3-5 qb seasons, and Foles and Wentz were early in their careers. then they all fell off significantly and never approached that peak again.  with both
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May 20, 2023 14:29
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yeah like i'm not denying hurts did more with his team this year than dak has at any point in his career and the upside is tremendous, it's just i've seen fantastic single seasons from eagles QBs that get everybody thinking "oh poo poo we finally found our franchise guy" only for everything to turn to ash. every team has seen that. if he puts another good-to-very good season together, all this talk goes out the window (or should, anyway, i can't speak for the rest of this broken fanbase). i think he's going to be just fine and i expect a lot of the tentativeness to be gone by midseason. my only real concern with the guy is durability, just because of the way he runs. it's what makes him such a force on the field, but it's also brutal on his body.
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May 20, 2023 15:15
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Hurts did take a pretty massive jump this year. He may not have any arm talent but he's definitely extremely smart at running his offense. It was infuriating watching him make like zero mistakes last year.
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May 20, 2023 18:14
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Some of these are fair points for sure but: You're starting an NFL team and have to pick one of them. Disregarding age, who do you take?
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May 21, 2023 00:14
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Jerry Jones's phylactery
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May 21, 2023 02:00
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BiggerBoat posted:Some of these are fair points for sure but: Jeff Feagles
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Doltos posted:Hurts did take a pretty massive jump this year. He may not have any arm talent but he's definitely extremely smart at running his offense. It was infuriating watching him make like zero mistakes last year. Doltos said something nice about Hurts? 
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May 21, 2023 19:18
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He’s been consistent on his Hurts stance Like hurts showed me something this year for sure but I’m still not truly convinced he’s a top 5 qb. If he can produce at 75% of last year in two years when the allstar offense dismantles some, I’ll never doubt again. As it stands, theres a lot masking his deficiencies. Regardless of anything else tho he is undeniably better than Dakota Rayne
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May 21, 2023 19:21
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Anxiously awaiting an analytical statistics breakdown that can argue how all the QB's who led the league in interception percentage were really the best ones in their conference and easily top 5 in the NFL. Here's a good jumping off point to get that particular argument rolling, sortable by season https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/interception-percentage?season_id=20
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May 21, 2023 23:32
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Hurts runs the offense very well, it's just a little hard to discern how much is him and how much is the system/what is around him.
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May 22, 2023 14:12
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It's got to be both. He has an absolutely amazing oline that could work with his roll outs and WRs that are smart as hell that know when to come back for his passes or work a route slower. I like to make fun of roll out offenses but they're still hard to run if you dont have the knack for abandoning the pocket.
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Nodoze posted:Hurts runs the offense very well, it's just a little hard to discern how much is him and how much is the system/what is around him. So...every QB in the NFL then? I get what you're saying and there's always that thing where Montana had Jerry Rice or Marino never had a defense or a running game and what have you. Is Hurts better than Lamar Jackson because team had X, Y, Z? But I doubt anyone would say that Prescott has never had any weapons or help either. Or that his division was too tough. He's operated behind a stellar offensive line most of his career, has had plenty of WR's, RB's and defensive aid his entire time in the league and has never been asked to carry his team. EVER. Dak has hardly been hamstrung by a lack of offensive or defensive support. Jalen making the most of the talent and coaching he's surrounded by shouldn't be a mark against him either, and I'm not saying you're doing that FWIW. He's gotten better at the game every step of the way, works very hard at his craft from all accounts and gave KC and the best QB/Coach/team in the entire league all they wanted in the Super Bowl last year. It's a TEAM game, more than any other sport, and Hurts has made the most of his opportunities so far. I don't know what he looks like playing for the Browns, the Saints, the Jets or the Cardinals but I can say the same for Prescott. Would, say, Washington be a better team with: Dak? Jalen? I think the answer is clear.
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